Summer Blast and Coming Off 2 Years of Tren

[hrdlvn]

Hank have you ever considered taking a vacation to someplace that offers real up to date blood tests?
Might be worth looking into. From everything I have read in your post for what the last two years Russia’s got to be about the worst when it comes to TRT blood testing. You can only get the cheap <1500 TT you can’t get ESTRADIOL,ULTRASENSITIVE, LC/MS
Estradiol, Sensitive range 8.0-35.0
Methodology: Liquid chromatography tandem mass spectrometry(LC/MS/MS)

So to be honest you have no clue what is really going on with your bloods all this time.
Your youth, and the human body’s endurance to put up with just about any abuse is the only reason you are still alive.

I am not saying this to bust your chops or troll you. I consider you a friend and truly worry about your health. You are getting older and you need to consider that. What you can do at 20 you can’t do at 30 or 40 etc.

[hankthetank89]

That is a bit too dramatic. I am not and i have never taken half as much as bodybuilders and competitive lifters take.
You are saying it like i am Dallas McCarver with the cycle he blasted on, a few days before he choked on a pizza. What i do is a bit more than average person on this conservative forum does, but its nothing compared to people who actually get gains and live that lifestyle.
I started this just to save some money and maybe learn to use less. So far i am very very happy with the results and the only problem is the blood thickness, which probably is because i always did it mid-day not first thing in the morning, when i am probably dehydrated. Will check that later this week. Thats all.
There is no reason to look at me like im doing cycles like Rich Piana or anything.

Especially, since my SHBG turns out so low, i probably always got much less in me than i was injecting even at higher dosages, lol…

[hankthetank89]

@anon18050987

get your heart rate up to say 130 or 140 bpm or 85% of age based max, then stop and walk around (cool down) and record heart rate at 1 min and 2 min. The difference between time 0 and at 1 min and 2 min is your HRT at 1 min and 2 min

i will do this when i get in a treadmill

@anon18050987

Thanks for letting me know my posts and links aren’t very useful or accessible to you

Your posts are very useful and good - they are one of the best on the whole forum. Its just that there is a difference between how scientific literature is read by people who are in it and those who arent.
For example - if i have a small panic attack about my bloodwork, i just wanna know - should i try doubling my aspirine dosage, and you could just say “yes” or “no”. You posting a few links of studies and experiments in scientific terminology for some dumbass combat instructor like me, doesnt tell much.
I dug into some and i did some reading, but it took me a while to just get a simple answer.
For you it is much easier because you are into all this. For others it would take a whole day or two to read it once and without a guarantee that we would understand it correctly.

It would be like… lets say - i want to know if there are dragons in Game Of Thrones, and you would just lend me 7 books to read… Most of them are not about dragons, and all i wanted was to know IF there are any mentioned. And if yes, i would buy the books and read.
So what i could suggest to you, if you care(not sure if you should, actually) to make your stuff a bit more accessable is to - give a TL;DR version before a link.
For example : “i did an experiment on high aspirin dosage and it did work and the results were good, my RBC did this, my HCT did this..” and then link it, so if i have other questions i can just then go and read.
The problem with linking it as an answer is that when i read the topic, i am not sure what am i reading. If its not my english then its just the fact that i am too simple to understand. The topics and introductions sometimes dont give a clue on what are we going to read up on about… Same goes with summaries - they are sometimes so long and complicated that dumb people like me, just dont get anything out of it.

Its like if you were new in hand to hand combat, i would just scream technical terms at you in hopes of you executing all the movements right. Many times even people who train for years dont understand some instructions…

[hankthetank89]

@anon18050987 so i ran up to 140-141bpm and then started to walk slowly. After 1min it was 117bpm and after 2min it was 105-106bpm…
Had 2 strong coffees and a monster drink if it matters somehow.
What can u tell about these numbers?

[hankthetank89]

Thanks man. I really appreciate the time you spend on helping me. Cardio is a concern as i am carrying 30lbs extra now than i used to before i did my last 1 year bulk. I am around 70% of where i was cardio-wise, but im working to get there with all my new weight.

Do all these numbers say anything about my heart health? As in, if i continue to improve, can i hope that my cardiovascular system is somewhat ok, or it doesn’t mean much and i can have great cardio but still have a weak or enlarged heart?

[hankthetank89]

Dont have a way to check BP… will look into that later.
The stress tests i have done, but will do a new one after a bit, when i reach a cardio level that i am ok with.

[hankthetank89]

I understand, thanks. I really appreciate your effort.

And i understand that the extra size is also bad, thats why im working on my cardio EOD. My cardio days are exactly as important and planed as my weight training days.
I dont plan on being 300lbs at the age of 45. My goal is to use my lifes fourth decade to push some limits A BIT, and then fuck off at the age of 40. But even now, when my plan is to increase my size and strenght, as you know - im looking for smarter and safer ways to do so as much as possible, and i am looking into heart health and all the bloodwork stuff more and more each month i spend on this forum and learn more.

[lordgains]

@anon18050987

When I came up with this account part of the reason for the account name was to get people to take the initiative to “readalot” and constructively look at the data.

Thanks for solving the mystery! Been wondering all this time at whom it was directed

[unreal24278]

@hankthetank89

a few days before he choked on a pizza

He had a heart attack.

[lordgains]

Must have been the stress from choking on a pizza

[hankthetank89]

Interesing. I dont follow bodybuilding but at least 3-5 people told me it was because he choked. The rumor was that he did too much slin, panicked to eat and thats how he choked. Not that it matters tho.

[flappinit]

It kind of matters because the question is whether or not his enormous heart killed him after years of crazy steroid use, vs. choking on a pizza.

[hankthetank89]

Interesting, did he knew those facts about his heart and health?
I mean, he being an Olympia competitor and earning good money, didnt he ever went to do the stress test(the thingy where you ride a bike and they watch your heart) ?

[unreal24278]

It’s interesting as to how a 26 y/old male managed to acquire severe coronary atherosclerosis.

Perhaps he had an undiagnosed genetic disorder

[hankthetank89]

Well i had a fibrotic tissue in the coronary arthery at the age of 22 i believe. As far as i understand from what the doc told me is that that type of tissue CANT be there at all…
It appeared as atherosclerosis but it was not - it was some alien tissue there.

[flappinit]

@hankthetank89

Interesting, did he knew those facts about his heart and health?

There was a time where you could pretend not to know the effects of heavy steroid use. The bodies are stacking up now, dude.

Rich Piana, 46, heart disease, enlarged organs.

Dallas McCarver, 26, cardiac arrest.

Michael Bekoev, 54, heart attack.

David Dearth, 56, heart attack.

Daryl Stafford, 58, heart attack.

Mariola Sabanovic-Suarez, 43, heart attack.

Daniel Alexander, 31, unknown, but is thought to be heart related.

Scott Milne, 45, heart attack.

Novoa Mendez, 49, stroke.

Beverly DiRenzo, 49, passed away in her sleep, we can guess why.

Ed Kawak, 47, heart attack.

Vince Comerford, 52, heart attack.

Frank Hillebrand, 45, heart attack.

Hans Hopstaken, 45, heart attack.

Greg Kovacs, 44, heart attack.

Art Atwood, 37, heart attack.

Charles Durr, 44, heart attack.

Mike Mentzer, 49, heart complications, drugs helped, but yeah, heart attack.

Daniele Seccarecci, 33, heart attack.

Mike Matarazzo, 47, heart attack.

Andy Haman, 54, pulmonary embolism.

John freakin’ Meadows, 49, blood clot 18 months after a heart attack.

There are more of them, I could keep going, but you get the point. If you have heart issues that are preexisting and unrelated to steroid use, you should be fully aware that years of heavy steroid use are dangerous to perfectly healthy people, and especially so with you. People like Dallas can do all the doctors visits and stress tests that they want, but nothing protects someone from the effects of extreme drug use. The heart is a muscle, and it responds to steroids like any other muscle. Big hearts don’t do well in the long run.

[unreal24278]

@flappinit

John freakin’ Meadows, 49, blood clot 18 months after a heart attack.

Should be noted meadows had a hereditary clotting disorder. His mother died very young too. From what I recall meadows didn’t have any plaque in his arteries.

The myocardial infarction wasn’t his first brush with death. He almost died in his 30’s

Heavy steroid use takes a cumulative toll. Within those heavily, heavily predisposed (say severe heterozygous familial hypercholesterolemia, congenital hypertrophic cardiomyopathy) even light steroid use will kill you.

Used sparsely and/or in baby dosages they’re far from the most dangerous of illicit drugs. Following chronic use over decades they will kill you though.

I think of it akin to cigarettes. Many experiment with cigarettes for brief periods, sometimes on and off when they’re young and get away with it seemingly without a scratch. Others get addicted and go on to smoke heavily for decades, resulting in all sorts of health complications.

[hankthetank89]

@flappinit

People like Dallas can do all the doctors visits and stress tests that they want, but nothing protects someone from the effects of extreme drug use.

Well thats what i was asking.
Heart problems for normal people also dont just show up in 1 day… In order for a healthy heart to become so bad you die, it takes time. It takes time and it should give some warning signs.
I dont think you can have enlarged heart and atherosclerosis and not notice it while doing, lets say - burpees or 20 reps of heavy deadlifts.
Didnt he go to a doctor and get some tests done?? You do the stress test and if its shit they tell you the exact minute. Actually - you cant even finish the test, if there is a big problem.
When i had my problem, i couldnt walk up the stairs without pain in the chest, so after that, every time i finished half marathon in the park, or i felt like puking after some HIT training and burpee overload, i actually felt happy.

As a person who has had heart issues, i just dont understand how you dont feel or see them in daily exercise, unless all you do is curls and then sit in the office.
My current cardio training is set up a way that if id have a simmilar issue that i had 10 years ago, i would feel it in first 5 minutes of my every day training.

[hankthetank89]

Bloodwork came back. My rbcs are in the normal. Hct and hemo is a tiny bit increased, but its not underlined red anymore.
In a while ill try doing eod injections of test and see this again. I think its weird that my hct is around the same now as it was on a huge blast. The only thing different is ed injections of test. But ill not pay too much attention to that now, cuz im tired of getting bloodwork. Ill just enjoy the fact that my stuff is OK and jus train for a while so i can update my training and insulin logs.

[hankthetank89]

@anon18050987

Everything you’ve shared points in the right direction but haven’t seen your BP. So far RHR and HRR look good.

I continued following your advice and bought a thingy that measures BP and i think this one is a pretty cool one. Very easy to use, and it also has a color indications that “translate” the numbers into “optimal” , “normal” , “hi-nornal” , “medium” , “high” , “severe”.

Yesterday at night it was 132/62 so a bit on the high side.
This morning it was 122/65… early evening today 124/59…
Ill play around with it for a while and then just probably will take my BP each morning or something like that.