Succeeding as a Tall Bodybuilder

[quote]Professor X wrote:
The Austrian Oak wrote:
asusvenus wrote:
haha, I’m 6’5 and my shoes are size 9, guess I’m quite lucky…

wow…and I thought I had small feet for my size.

i’m 6’5 and wear 12-13 depending on the brand.

I am now beginning to wonder if white guys in general have smaller feet. I don’t even know anyone over 6 feet claiming the shoe sizes you guys are. In fact, thinking back, most of the guys I knew growing up who were about 6’2" seemed to average about a size 14. The only people I know with a size 9 are well below 6 feet…like 5’7"-5’8".

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It’s wierd how it works. I have small feet as well. 6’4" and size 11. But my brother is 6’2", and he wears size 14.

And on a side note, I figured it was time to stop lurking. . .so, hello, everyone. Have enjoyed reading on this site and forum for quite some time.

[quote]hardcoreraymond wrote:
brian.m wrote:
hardcoreraymond wrote:
as for kcals to maintain weight…

a 25 year old, 300 lb male who work out 5 times a week would need a lil above 3800 cals to maintain weight…

most people get 1k cals from a whopper n fries alone, so doing so cleanly wouldn’t be a problem.

says who, in the winter i was losing weight at 5000 calories at 210ish at 6’1/2" 21yrs old working out 4-5X/week (mostly just a tonne of ground beef, peanut butter, shots of oil when i had to, etc)

Everyone’s metabolism is different.

A lot of people find that just getting extra calories from shots of oil doesn’t help them gain.
Poliquin even said he couldn’t get to 207 until he started eating 400 grams of protein a day along with the rest of the bells and whistles.
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thats the point i was trying to make, we can use those guidelines as guidelines, but at the end of the day we are all different or have different levels of activity and idea of what is a lot of food or whatever and its going to vary, sometimes significantly

I am curious as to the waist measurements of you all the tall boys out there?

I notice they generally have larger waists then shorter guys, but then individuals such as draper, arnold etc come along with a smaller waists then there tall opponents and there size really stood out over their opponents.

[quote]Westclock wrote:
God I would hate to have to try to eat that much food per day to sustain a “muscular” build at 6’5+.

That would be a complete chore.[/quote]

dude, i’m only 6-1 and i gotta eat 4000k to maintain 210lbs. meanwhile i have a friend who is about 5-9 and eat 2900 to maintain 220lbs.

it’s a wonder why i don’t stop at fast food places on a daily basis.

6’7" 250lbs. was 217 when I started training on a regular basics and honestly I have responded very well to Thib’s training methods. Like a lot of folks here have said “lift heavy weight”. The programs I have used to great rewards was in the 1-5 rep range and using 80% of 1RM or above. Doing Isometrics, Functional ISO, rest-pause, cluster-sets, etc etc. My 1st time through Beast Building did wonders for me. If you haven’t tried it…give it a shot. Currently, I’m at 335 bench, 365 ATG squat, and 405 on dead.

I also asked him about improving the sticking point in my bench…which is at the bottom and I’m assuming most of us here…that’s the case. Here is his response.

stretch67 wrote:
Coach,

My sticking point in the bench press is the bottom part of the movement, what is your take on improving that? Iso’s, functional Iso’s, band work, shoulder work ??

I am a tall lifter at 6’7". My wing span is almost as wide as I am tall. Once I make it through the sticking point, I normally have no problems at the top. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

  1. Technique. That’s one thing I learned from Tate: if you are weak at the bottom, it is most likely your set-up. Look at the video from his recent bench article for more info.

My training partner’s weak point was also at the start. We assumed that his pecs were weak, which did not make sense since he is super strong at most pec exercises. If anything his triceps are his weakest pressing muscle, which means that his sticking point should be during the last portion of the lift.

Well, when I got back from Ohio to spend some time with Dave, I taught my partner the proper set-up technique and not only did his press increase by 20lbs, his sticking point is now during the last portion of the lift (where it should be).

  1. Lack of initial burst of power. Call it starting strength or whatever, if you cannot blast the weight off of your chest you will have trouble getting that bar started. This is a very common problem with long limbed lifters. You really need to build the capacity to go from zero force to maximum force in as little time as possible.

With long-limbed individuals I like to use the explosive close-grip (just inside shoulder width) bench press from a static start. There are four levels of difficulty to this movement:

Level I: lower the bar to your chest, pause it for 2-3 seconds, lift it as explosively as you can.

Level II: start the bar at the bottom of the bench with the bar resting on safety pins about 1’’ from the chest. From that position lift the bar as explosively as possible.

Level III: lower the bar to your chest, 1’’ from the chest your partner pushes down on the bar while you try to lift it… he stops you there for 3 seconds, then release the bar and you explode it up right away.

Level IV: same as level II but with a pair of mini-bands.

Roughly 40-60% is used, but the key is to always explode. If a weight isn’t explosive from the start, it’s too heavy.

[quote]xsquatx wrote:
I am curious as to the waist measurements of you all the tall boys out there?

I notice they generally have larger waists then shorter guys, but then individuals such as draper, arnold etc come along with a smaller waists then there tall opponents and there size really stood out over their opponents.
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I don’t fit into any pants with less than a 40" waist anymore, although I don’t feel like I look like I wear a 40" waist which is nice.

6’6" and 265

I suggest if your tall you try using the deadlift as a staple exercise, height does not seem to hinder this lift, I fucking love deadlifts soooo much, i could just eat them up. But still do squats and bench and all the rest ofcourse.

[quote]xsquatx wrote:
I am curious as to the waist measurements of you all the tall boys out there?

I notice they generally have larger waists then shorter guys, but then individuals such as draper, arnold etc come along with a smaller waists then there tall opponents and there size really stood out over their opponents.
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Just checking in…

At 6’8", I wear size 16 shoes and 36" waist pants.

On the topic of shoe size. I was a 13 for some time, but the last couple of pairs of shoes I’ve bought have been 14, and I swear my feet got bigger to accommodate them.

[quote]xsquatx wrote:
I am curious as to the waist measurements of you all the tall boys out there?

I notice they generally have larger waists then shorter guys, but then individuals such as draper, arnold etc come along with a smaller waists then there tall opponents and there size really stood out over their opponents.
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6’5 33" waist.

I’m 6’4"@315, waist 40" (should be 34") shoe size 14, and about 20% BF (I think). I was stuck at 250 on my bench for a long time… I could feel I was using mostly front delts and triceps for the major part of the lift and would always fail in the hole. after some quality time with the Pec-Dec (8 weeks of increasing weight, fairly high reps, making sure I got a full stretch on each rep, even holding a bit at full stretch, and doing some 1.5 reps.) I was able to activate my pecs a lot more. I quickly got up to the 315+ range.

As for squats, I have found that while they don’t really do squat (sorry) for my quads, I gain more muscle overall when I do them regularly. I usually do front squats for 20x260, and finish on the leg press.

[quote]xsquatx wrote:
I am curious as to the waist measurements of you all the tall boys out there?

I notice they generally have larger waists then shorter guys, but then individuals such as draper, arnold etc come along with a smaller waists then there tall opponents and there size really stood out over their opponents.
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6’7" 33inch waist.

Size 14 shoe

6’6" size 16 shoe 40" waistline

We’re at a disadvantage in a bodybuilding sense, but in every other aspect of life, tall guys are at an advantage. We can date tall girls for one thing.

I’m 6’3’', 235 lbs, 35 inch waist (34 competition) and sporting 27 inch thighs. I squat weekly.

[quote]Mythical wrote:
I’m 6’4"@315, waist 40" (should be 34") shoe size 14, and about 20% BF (I think). I was stuck at 250 on my bench for a long time… I could feel I was using mostly front delts and triceps for the major part of the lift and would always fail in the hole. after some quality time with the Pec-Dec (8 weeks of increasing weight, fairly high reps, making sure I got a full stretch on each rep, even holding a bit at full stretch, and doing some 1.5 reps.) I was able to activate my pecs a lot more. I quickly got up to the 315+ range.

As for squats, I have found that while they don’t really do squat (sorry) for my quads, I gain more muscle overall when I do them regularly. I usually do front squats for 20x260, and finish on the leg press. [/quote]

Maybe I’m nuts, but a 34’’ waist on a 6’4’’ person would be awful small, no?

[quote]Rattler wrote:
Mythical wrote:
I’m 6’4"@315, waist 40" (should be 34") shoe size 14, and about 20% BF (I think). I was stuck at 250 on my bench for a long time… I could feel I was using mostly front delts and triceps for the major part of the lift and would always fail in the hole. after some quality time with the Pec-Dec (8 weeks of increasing weight, fairly high reps, making sure I got a full stretch on each rep, even holding a bit at full stretch, and doing some 1.5 reps.) I was able to activate my pecs a lot more. I quickly got up to the 315+ range.

As for squats, I have found that while they don’t really do squat (sorry) for my quads, I gain more muscle overall when I do them regularly. I usually do front squats for 20x260, and finish on the leg press.

Maybe I’m nuts, but a 34’’ waist on a 6’4’’ person would be awful small, no?[/quote]

Its only small if that person carries good shoulder width. I know individuals that are 6"4’ and sport a 31 inch waist and they’re frail as a skeleton. A slight breeze can knock them over.

Well I guess this thread is as good as any to introduce myself since I’m also a tall lifter: 6’4". I’ve been reading T-Nation for a couple of months now and finally understand why I haven’t been growing over the past few years. Even though I started working out almost 7 years ago, I never really made the progress I wanted to. But instead of doing some reading and getting my shit together, I figured I’d just keep lifting weights the same way I did before… So yeah, that’s about 7 years down the shitter.

Anyway I recently discovered T-Nation, read many of the articles here, and have been hitting myself over the head ever since for wasting those years. I mean I’ve been doing pretty much everything wrong. So I’ve made a fresh start, used a lot of the advice handed out in the articles and here in the forums, and I aim to see some massive gains soon and make up for wasted time.

I’m 6’4", weighing 190lbs. And I want to Grow! I’ve been eating around 4000 calories daily and 5000 on training days, which is three times per week. I’m doing a full-body program with some HST principles incorporated. My 1RM bench is 220lbs, which includes a 44lbs bar (do you normally include that in the weight you report?). I’m not going to report any other weights yet since they are flat out laughable. I’ve always hated the squat and didn’t even know of the existence of deadlifts before I read about it here.

Now I’m doing both but had to start at pretty much just the bar, partly caused by underdeveloped core muscles. It’s funny though, once you find the right motivation and commit to a goal you’re not held back anymore by things like ‘disliking the squat’. I don’t care now about getting dizzy and seeing spots after a set, in fact I embrace them as signs of a good workout :slight_smile: So I’m going to work my way up on those exercises until I can report some weights that are actually somewhat decent.

Anyway, this thread has helped me understand some of the difficulties I’ve had as a tall lifter. As of yesterday I’ve included the leg-press as a regular part of my schedule so I hope that will do something for those chicken-legs I have now. I’ll also post some body shots soon to get some feedback and probably provide some entertainment :slight_smile:

[quote]HerbertNL wrote:
Well I guess this thread is as good as any to introduce myself since I’m also a tall lifter: 6’4". I’ve been reading T-Nation for a couple of months now and finally understand why I haven’t been growing over the past few years. Even though I started working out almost 7 years ago, I never really made the progress I wanted to. But instead of doing some reading and getting my shit together, I figured I’d just keep lifting weights the same way I did before… So yeah, that’s about 7 years down the shitter.

Anyway I recently discovered T-Nation, read many of the articles here, and have been hitting myself over the head ever since for wasting those years. I mean I’ve been doing pretty much everything wrong. So I’ve made a fresh start, used a lot of the advice handed out in the articles and here in the forums, and I aim to see some massive gains soon and make up for wasted time.

I’m 6’4", weighing 190lbs. And I want to Grow! I’ve been eating around 4000 calories daily and 5000 on training days, which is three times per week. I’m doing a full-body program with some HST principles incorporated. My 1RM bench is 220lbs, which includes a 44lbs bar (do you normally include that in the weight you report?). I’m not going to report any other weights yet since they are flat out laughable. I’ve always hated the squat and didn’t even know of the existence of deadlifts before I read about it here. Now I’m doing both but had to start at pretty much just the bar, partly caused by underdeveloped core muscles. It’s funny though, once you find the right motivation and commit to a goal you’re not held back anymore by things like ‘disliking the squat’. I don’t care now about getting dizzy and seeing spots after a set, in fact I embrace them as signs of a good workout :slight_smile: So I’m going to work my way up on those exercises until I can report some weights that are actually somewhat decent.

Anyway, this thread has helped me understand some of the difficulties I’ve had as a tall lifter. As of yesterday I’ve included the leg-press as a regular part of my schedule so I hope that will do something for those chicken-legs I have now. I’ll also post some body shots soon to get some feedback and probably provide some entertainment :slight_smile:

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Most people will tell you not to do 3 day TBT if you want optimal gains.

[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
HerbertNL wrote:
Well I guess this thread is as good as any to introduce myself since I’m also a tall lifter: 6’4". I’ve been reading T-Nation for a couple of months now and finally understand why I haven’t been growing over the past few years. Even though I started working out almost 7 years ago, I never really made the progress I wanted to. But instead of doing some reading and getting my shit together, I figured I’d just keep lifting weights the same way I did before… So yeah, that’s about 7 years down the shitter.

Anyway I recently discovered T-Nation, read many of the articles here, and have been hitting myself over the head ever since for wasting those years. I mean I’ve been doing pretty much everything wrong. So I’ve made a fresh start, used a lot of the advice handed out in the articles and here in the forums, and I aim to see some massive gains soon and make up for wasted time.

I’m 6’4", weighing 190lbs. And I want to Grow! I’ve been eating around 4000 calories daily and 5000 on training days, which is three times per week. I’m doing a full-body program with some HST principles incorporated. My 1RM bench is 220lbs, which includes a 44lbs bar (do you normally include that in the weight you report?). I’m not going to report any other weights yet since they are flat out laughable. I’ve always hated the squat and didn’t even know of the existence of deadlifts before I read about it here. Now I’m doing both but had to start at pretty much just the bar, partly caused by underdeveloped core muscles. It’s funny though, once you find the right motivation and commit to a goal you’re not held back anymore by things like ‘disliking the squat’. I don’t care now about getting dizzy and seeing spots after a set, in fact I embrace them as signs of a good workout :slight_smile: So I’m going to work my way up on those exercises until I can report some weights that are actually somewhat decent.

Anyway, this thread has helped me understand some of the difficulties I’ve had as a tall lifter. As of yesterday I’ve included the leg-press as a regular part of my schedule so I hope that will do something for those chicken-legs I have now. I’ll also post some body shots soon to get some feedback and probably provide some entertainment :slight_smile:

Most people will tell you not to do 3 day TBT if you want optimal gains.[/quote]

Nah man, if you are making good gains then stick with it. I empathize with your situation. One word of advice that CT (I think) is that many people are simply not strong enough to lift the substantial amount of weight necessary to induce hypertrophy. This is doubly true in the case of tall lifters (according to the Why Lurch Won’t Grow article) because of our long levers. CT’s advice was to train for strength before training for growth in this circumstance. I am doing a similar 3 day per week split and am making substantial gains strength and gaining a steady 1.5-2lbs per week.

Good luck with your training.