After last night, I can tell you who isn’t the strongest:
Miami’s offensive line.
Yikes!
But their defense looked really good
I just saw the box score - each team had about 25 running plays with total running yards of 1 and 2! I’d say both teams should play their D Linemen both ways!
[quote]Tuggles wrote:
Panther1015 wrote:
bigg mike wrote:
I remember back in the 90’s everyone was talking about Nebraska and their program. Didn’t some of their staff go to Buffalo University?
Buffalo’s current S&C coach is Buddy Morris, who was a Pitt grad and long-time S&C coach at his alma matter before being forced out through some political BS by our former Athletic Director who is now at Nebraska.
Steve Pederson and political BS?? I’M SHOCKED!! sarcasm
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Yeah, thanks to your Husker grad AD, Pitt’s branding image has been royally screwed. I’ll never forgive him for getting rid of the Pitt script logo (my avatar) in favor of that hideous dinocat. At least “PITT” is back on the helmets now, but it won’t be the same until we go back to our old uniforms from the Dorsett/Marino/Fralic/Green/etc. era and the Script Pitt helmets.
This may sound silly but unless there is a contest, any guesses are just that. For those of you that played high school football, don’t you remember how inflated the height and weight of players was? That and how much “the board” was a work of fiction? Follow that and multiply by 100 for college. Some of the most talented players I played with were not that strong. The fit nicely into the bell curve. The strongest guys were not the most talented either.
[quote]As far as numbers go NU has some guys benching over 500 and close gripping 440 at least. Cody Glenn can squat upwards of 580 as a true soph and there are some linemen squatting over 600 as well. I think things have been much improved since Kennedy’s arrival.
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Yes, those numbers are impressive…but did you SEE these guys perform the lifts??? Many schools, even a few consistenly mentioned as “The Strongest” on this thread, let athletes get away with pathetic half squats and assisted bench presses to push up their numbers.
It’s true that some of the college testing is rediculous (maybe my spelling is too). We all have seen the big 600 lb half squat but I was shocked to find out how benches and cleans get credited with spotters assisting, straps and belly heaves. Only believe what you see or is done in a sanctioned meet.
Some schools like FSU and USC have genetically gifted players to start out with. Other programs like WVU and Iowa, who consistently recruit solid but not spectacular classes have shown an ability to develop average players into high level college players and NFL draft picks.
So when you break it down, I think those two programs probably have among the best S&C programs in CFB.
The notion that bigtime D1 programs inflate their weight-room numbers is pure bullshit. I can tell you for a fact at Oklahoma State, Oklahoma and Nebraska, squats don’t mean didly if they aren’t below parralel and no one helps a bencher get the weight up.
I’d be willing to bet anyone $100 that schools like USC, FSU, Miami, Texas etc… don’t let their athletes get away with piss-poor form.
[quote]OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
The notion that bigtime D1 programs inflate their weight-room numbers is pure bullshit. I can tell you for a fact at Oklahoma State, Oklahoma and Nebraska, squats don’t mean didly if they aren’t below parralel and no one helps a bencher get the weight up.
I’d be willing to bet anyone $100 that schools like USC, FSU, Miami, Texas etc… don’t let their athletes get away with piss-poor form. [/quote]
I would agree the only lift where I can see some gray area is squat as coaches may have SLIGHTLY different ideas about paralell, but make no mistake they’re still hitting a damn good depth.
And when I talk about differences in paralell coach X may want his players ass to grass where coach Y could be just above ATG yet still paralell or below.
As far as the numbers I threw out at Nebraska I haven’t witnessed these lifts, but they’re from a legit source. Every team has it’s weightroom warriors shit just follow this link and see what some NFL draftees are capable of. Make sure you check out Vernon Davis.
[quote]OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
The notion that bigtime D1 programs inflate their weight-room numbers is pure bullshit. [/quote]
I would love to believe you. I really would. Could you tell us how you can state this as fact and I will take it as such. I’ve seen some to the contrary. If it weren’t for grades, initial eligibility, and the ongoing business end of college sports…
I hope what I have seen is a few instances at a few D1 schools.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I agree. I was getting ready to make the same basic point.
It’s a different game and the skill level differential is distinct.
You used the Raiders/SEC comparison. I’m not sure if this is another good comparison or not but I’ll take a stab. How about this one? Take the worst team in the SEC and put 'em up against the best Div. III or NAIA team. What would you get?
A massacre. Every time. There’s a reason we have numerous levels of football even when we’re talking the same age groups of the players.[/quote]
The gap between the Top 25 in D-1A and the NFL is monstrous.
The most talented college teams to ever take the field might have had 10 guys who could’ve competed in the NFL while still in college.
An NFL team has 53 quality NFL players.
53 >>> 10.
The very worst NFL teams would obliterate even the very best College teams. NFL teams would barely break a sweat.
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
The notion that bigtime D1 programs inflate their weight-room numbers is pure bullshit.
I would love to believe you. I really would. Could you tell us how you can state this as fact and I will take it as such. I’ve seen some to the contrary. If it weren’t for grades, initial eligibility, and the ongoing business end of college sports…
I hope what I have seen is a few instances at a few D1 schools.
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He plays at Oklahoma state if im not mistaken. I played 1-AA and was transfering to Michigan but was cut short in a car accident and I agree with him.
I played at Oklahoma State for a year. Know lots of guys who played at OU and 2 who played at Nebraska.
D1 strength programs are serious, serious business (except at Penn State-hehe Bauer) and strength coaches don’t let players get away with nonsense like half-squats or spotters doing most of the work. Most D1 strength coaches are pretty f*cking strong guys themselves and know what they’re doing. At OSU the first month of all the freshmen’s workouts are done with minimal weights until they show perfect form on all the lifts.
[quote]GCNo.54 wrote:
I agree with USC but Penn State and Michigan got Hit strength programs so in my opinion not really good programs for developing athletic size or mass![/quote]
I was in the weightroom with a Michigan runningback a coupla’ months ago [here in Houston, I guess he was home for a visit]who was doing anything BUT an HIT style program. He told me they train their total body 3 days a week, head to toe. On the day I was there, he was benching 3 sets for 6 at 295 with one comedown set at 225 for 12 or 13. He said the first day of the week they do 3 sets of 6 for everything and if they get all sets, they jump up 10lbs. If they don’t, they drop 10lbs. The second day is a higher rep day [still benching] and the 3rd day they focus on moderate reps [8-10] and incline instead of bench. Obviously the thing that sticks out most is the bench-type stuff. I don’t remember his name, but he was a cool cat. He also had some thick-ass arms.
[quote]OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
D1 strength programs are serious, serious business (except at Penn State-hehe Bauer) [/quote]
Hey, watch it pal, only I can make fun of Penn State’s strength program. Kind of like how only Jews can make Jewish jokes.
Besides, the workouts I put myself through at off-campus gyms in a desperate attempt to make up for the horrible HIT I was forced to do for football, put most other college strength training sessions to shame…
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I was in the weightroom with a Michigan runningback a coupla’ months ago [here in Houston, I guess he was home for a visit]who was doing anything BUT an HIT style program. [/quote]
Of course he wasn’t doing a HIT program on his own time during a visit home. Who the hell would?
Most guys I knew on the team looked at even the smallest amount of time home as an amazing opportunity to “gain back” some of what they lost doing HIT training during their time on-campus.
Also, from what some guys I know who play(ed) at Michigan and MSU, Michigan and Michigan State do a slightly better job with HIT than PSU does.
They tend to do some multiple set work, while PSU always did 1 set per exercise, taken to a ridiculous amount past failure.
However, PSU was just starting to change it’s ways just slightly as I finished up there, incorporating a little bit of barbell benching for 2-3 sets.
However, this was only done immediately after a set of MACHINE upright rows, and manual resistance lateral raise.
It is sooooo much fun trying to bench press with shoulders full of lactic acid. Good times…
[quote]Bauer97 wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
I was in the weightroom with a Michigan runningback a coupla’ months ago [here in Houston, I guess he was home for a visit]who was doing anything BUT an HIT style program.
Of course he wasn’t doing a HIT program on his own time during a visit home. Who the hell would?
Most guys I knew on the team looked at even the smallest amount of time home as an amazing opportunity to “gain back” some of what they lost doing HIT training during their time on-campus.
Also, from what some guys I know who play(ed) at Michigan and MSU, Michigan and Michigan State do a slightly better job with HIT than PSU does.
They tend to do some multiple set work, while PSU always did 1 set per exercise, taken to a ridiculous amount past failure.
However, PSU was just starting to change it’s ways just slightly as I finished up there, incorporating a little bit of barbell benching for 2-3 sets.
However, this was only done immediately after a set of MACHINE upright rows, and manual resistance lateral raise.
It is sooooo much fun trying to bench press with shoulders full of lactic acid. Good times…[/quote]
You would think these teams would lose every week 10,000 to 0 with such horrific strength programs.
Even with better talent, which again is arguable these HIT teams should not stand a chance against the power teams.
Have all of you also noticed that the T-Nation experts never chime in on these topics? Maybe it is because the majority of you would not like what they have to say.
Bauer-
Just out of curiosity, I’m assuming that you were on schlorship and if so probably could’ve gone to a lot of big name schools like Ohio State, maybe Michigan, MSU, Notre Dame, etc…I was wondering if you were aware of Penn State’s HIT regimen during your recruitment or if it was a nasty surprise you discovered once you reported there?