[quote]GCNo.54 wrote:
And who would you say does the best job of the above mentioned coaches? And btw I did not want to turn this into a Hit or NoHit discussion![/quote]
In no order:
Ethan Reeve:
Very orginised, athletes buy into his program, runs his strength sessions like a sports practice, great and effective concept. Excellent coach.
Mike Gittleson:
Great motivator, very stuctured and has great attension to detail, Has developed some of the most massive and strong linemen over the years. excellent coach
Mickey Morrotti:
One of the best motivators of athletes out there. Intense, Uses many different styles of training. He uses what he believes works for his athletes. Excellent coach gets great results.
Boyd Eply:
Has taken orginization to a new level. Has a great staff. They have created the Nebraska way of training. Over the years nothing has been added or taken away from the program unless result of the change can be proven. (Boyd is an athletic Director at Nebraska now.)
Al Johnson, was at Ohio state until this year:
Passionate, is willing to listen to others and takes what he can to make his athletes better. He has the ability to pack on mass. At West Vrginia and Ohio State he developed some strong linemen.
[quote]Bauer97 wrote:
No, they really don’t. Some players are able to use their genetics and/or outside-the-program lifting to excel IN SPITE of those lifting programs, but not BECAUSE of them.
Anyway, as for the original question, I think Iowa and Nebraska do the best job of transforming lesser recruits into amazingly strong performance athletes.
Overall, however, I would put my money on Texas to have the “strongest” players.
Wake Forest, although relatively unknown, has an awesome lifting program, so I’ll give them an honorable mention.[/quote]
I dont know 1st hand about penn state I assumed it was like michigan. I know from seeing freinds and guys I played against that michigan does an awesome job of creating some truly great athletes. The results these guys had when they came back home were nuts…its one of the reasons I was going to transfer and would have, if it had not been for a car accident. There were no outside lifting programs used.
Im not saying genetics dont play a factor…but they play a factor in all programs…im also not sayin im an expert on programs because im definately not. I am saying Ive seen that HIT works better then most people here seem to think it does in terms of getting teams ready to play.
As for iowa I completey forgot abotu them…your most definately right about that.
The Offseason training of Iowa is a upper/lower-split and consists mainly of the o-lifts and after that Coach Doyle has his athletes do a few supersets and he also implements lifts like foor presses, etc. Check out all his Dvds, they are really worth it!!
Exactly, which is why I think you need first-hand experience within at least one of these programs to be able to truly speak on it.
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I don’t play NCAA sports or football, but I can vouch for how much an HIT does nothing for your game. Since I’ve done my own training since searching out other methods, I skate much faster, am a lot more solid on the puck and have more power in my shot.
Chirs Arp, I’m wondering if you are a competitive athlete, or if have you been one.
[quote]Chris Arp wrote:
john clark wrote:
Penn State’s recruiting class was ranked number 6 last year so I’m not sure what Chris is talking about.
One class does not make a team.
2006: 6th
2005: 25th
2004: 14th
2003: not in the top 25
2002: 21st
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You’re taking these rankings way too seriously. Besides, Penn State has gotten at least 5 players in each of those classes that were recruited by just about everybody.
[quote]john clark wrote:
Chris Arp wrote:
john clark wrote:
Penn State’s recruiting class was ranked number 6 last year so I’m not sure what Chris is talking about.
One class does not make a team.
2006: 6th
2005: 25th
2004: 14th
2003: not in the top 25
2002: 21st
You’re taking these rankings way too seriously. Besides, Penn State has gotten at least 5 players in each of those classes that were recruited by just about everybody.[/quote]
You claimed that you were not sure what I was talking about. I just clarified the point.
Penn State has gotten at least 5 players that were recruited by everybody. I think that is true of all top 25 teams not just Penn State.
Nebraska’s S&C program is not what it used to be. Boyd Eppley retired a few years ago. One of his early protege’s - Dave Kennedy - returned from Pitt to be their current S&C coach. I can tell you from what I’ve learned about S&C on this site and what former Pitt players told me about Kennedy, he’s not all that impressive. He also shows blatant favortism to more talented players and basically ignores all the “lesser” players on the team. From what I’ve gathered, he builds his reputation on genetically gifted athletes who will develop in spite of his training methods. I think any T-Nation expert would tear this guy a new one in S&C training.
Supermick - to answer your questions…A few college football players reach bigtime celebrity status, but most are only known to the diehard fans of the sport. Recent examples of CFB players known outside of the typical CFB fanbase are Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush. As far as the top CFB teams comparing to NFL teams…there’s no comparison. The NFL takes the absolute best players from all across the CFB landscape. You could throw the Oakland Raiders (arguably the most atrocious NFL team this season) into the SEC, which is probably the toughest CFB conference top-to-bottom, and they’d probably go undefeated and win big in the process. Just my two cents.
[quote]Panther1015 wrote:
Nebraska’s S&C program is not what it used to be. Boyd Eppley retired a few years ago. One of his early protege’s - Dave Kennedy - returned from Pitt to be their current S&C coach. I can tell you from what I’ve learned about S&C on this site and what former Pitt players told me about Kennedy, he’s not all that impressive. He also shows blatant favortism to more talented players and basically ignores all the “lesser” players on the team. From what I’ve gathered, he builds his reputation on genetically gifted athletes who will develop in spite of his training methods. I think any T-Nation expert would tear this guy a new one in S&C training.
Supermick - to answer your questions…A few college football players reach bigtime celebrity status, but most are only known to the diehard fans of the sport. Recent examples of CFB players known outside of the typical CFB fanbase are Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush. As far as the top CFB teams comparing to NFL teams…there’s no comparison. The NFL takes the absolute best players from all across the CFB landscape. You could throw the Oakland Raiders (arguably the most atrocious NFL team this season) into the SEC, which is probably the toughest CFB conference top-to-bottom, and they’d probably go undefeated and win big in the process. Just my two cents.[/quote]
I remember back in the 90’s everyone was talking about Nebraska and their program. Didn’t some of their staff go to Buffalo University?
[quote]bigg mike wrote:
I remember back in the 90’s everyone was talking about Nebraska and their program. Didn’t some of their staff go to Buffalo University?[/quote]
Buffalo’s current S&C coach is Buddy Morris, who was a Pitt grad and long-time S&C coach at his alma matter before being forced out through some political BS by our former Athletic Director who is now at Nebraska.
[quote]Panther1015 wrote:
Nebraska’s S&C program is not what it used to be. Boyd Eppley retired a few years ago. One of his early protege’s - Dave Kennedy - returned from Pitt to be their current S&C coach. I can tell you from what I’ve learned about S&C on this site and what former Pitt players told me about Kennedy, he’s not all that impressive. He also shows blatant favortism to more talented players and basically ignores all the “lesser” players on the team. From what I’ve gathered, he builds his reputation on genetically gifted athletes who will develop in spite of his training methods. I think any T-Nation expert would tear this guy a new one in S&C training.
Supermick - to answer your questions…A few college football players reach bigtime celebrity status, but most are only known to the diehard fans of the sport. Recent examples of CFB players known outside of the typical CFB fanbase are Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush. As far as the top CFB teams comparing to NFL teams…there’s no comparison. The NFL takes the absolute best players from all across the CFB landscape. You could throw the Oakland Raiders (arguably the most atrocious NFL team this season) into the SEC, which is probably the toughest CFB conference top-to-bottom, and they’d probably go undefeated and win big in the process. Just my two cents.[/quote]
Well as far as comparing strength between teams this is next to impossible to do. Most players are geneticly gifted to begin with. Srength coaches implement different techniques and have contrasting ideas for what is paralell on squat. S&C is not the end all in college football as good coaching and natural athletes play a large part in success.
I know some highly successful players who carried a horrible attitude into the weight room. As far as Nebraska goes the Boyd Epley saga is a long one and you’ll be lucky to find a person to tell it as very few know what actually transpired. From what I can gather I don’t think he was the brainchild behind the operation and a lot of people don’t really like Boyd either. He started slpping big time starting around 2000-01 seasons. Our S&C was a mess until we got Kennedy. From my eyes the players look great from a physical standpoint since he got here. I think some other coaches have influenced Kennedy as well and this is for the better.
As far as numbers go NU has some guys benching over 500 and close gripping 440 at least. Cody Glenn can squat upwards of 580 as a true soph and there are some linemen squatting over 600 as well. I think things have been much improved since Kennedy’s arrival. I do not know how Kennedy compares to what transpired before the year 2000. FYI Epley was around up til the year 2003 then Brian Bailey took over for the 03 season and Kennedy was hired at the request of coach Callahan.
[quote]Panther1015 wrote:
bigg mike wrote:
I remember back in the 90’s everyone was talking about Nebraska and their program. Didn’t some of their staff go to Buffalo University?
Buffalo’s current S&C coach is Buddy Morris, who was a Pitt grad and long-time S&C coach at his alma matter before being forced out through some political BS by our former Athletic Director who is now at Nebraska.
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Steve Pederson and political BS?? I’M SHOCKED!! sarcasm
[quote]Chris Arp wrote:
These are the strongest and fastest teams that I have seen play this season or last. I am not sure that it is because of the strength programs.
Strong:
Tennessee
Ohio State
Iowa
Michigan
Texas
Fast:
Tennessee
Ohio State
Florida State (have not seen them yet this year)
Miami (have not seen them yet this year)
USC
Michigan
Texas (might be fast but it was hard to tell, their opponent was awful.)
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When you say Texas, do you mean the Longhorns or the Aggies? Although Jeff Madden is famous his athletes does not seem to be very strong!?