I am still not embracing the foam rolling and mobility craze. I feel like I’m waiting for something to happen that makes me need it.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I am still not embracing the foam rolling and mobility craze. I feel like I’m waiting for something to happen that makes me need it.[/quote]
I never had either until I got bigger and bigger and my mobility was going out the window.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I am still not embracing the foam rolling and mobility craze. I feel like I’m waiting for something to happen that makes me need it.[/quote]
I never had either until I got bigger and bigger and my mobility was going out the window.
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I feel like that’s a great reason to do it.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I am still not embracing the foam rolling and mobility craze. I feel like I’m waiting for something to happen that makes me need it.[/quote]
I never had either until I got bigger and bigger and my mobility was going out the window.
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I feel like that’s a great reason to do it.[/quote]
This is where I was… Then I blew my knee out. After that first one, it’s been a gradual fall downhill. I’ve probably never been more than 75% of where I was since the first blowout in the summer of 2008, and I’ve spent the last couple of years trying to figure out how to walk without pain, let alone do the things I enjoy. With that, I honestly believe that most, if not all, of my major knee injuries (3 and counting) were completely avoidable if I’d have just kept up with general maintenance. Know I’m forced to or I literally can’t wake up without pain. Learn from my mistakes, fuckin’ foamroll and do mobility work.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
This is where I was… Then I blew my knee out. After that first one, it’s been a gradual fall downhill. I’ve probably never been more than 75% of where I was since the first blowout in the summer of 2008, and I’ve spent the last couple of years trying to figure out how to walk without pain, let alone do the things I enjoy. With that, I honestly believe that most, if not all, of my major knee injuries (3 and counting) were completely avoidable if I’d have just kept up with general maintenance. Know I’m forced to or I literally can’t wake up without pain. Learn from my mistakes, fuckin’ foamroll and do mobility work.
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After 6 shoulder dislocations, I just keep lifting heavier instead, haha.
I’m big on Steve Pulcinella’s “Paleo Rehab” idea. At the same time, he’s also destroyed, so there is that.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
This is where I was… Then I blew my knee out. After that first one, it’s been a gradual fall downhill. I’ve probably never been more than 75% of where I was since the first blowout in the summer of 2008, and I’ve spent the last couple of years trying to figure out how to walk without pain, let alone do the things I enjoy. With that, I honestly believe that most, if not all, of my major knee injuries (3 and counting) were completely avoidable if I’d have just kept up with general maintenance. Know I’m forced to or I literally can’t wake up without pain. Learn from my mistakes, fuckin’ foamroll and do mobility work.
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After 6 shoulder dislocations, I just keep lifting heavier instead, haha.
I’m big on Steve Pulcinella’s “Paleo Rehab” idea. At the same time, he’s also destroyed, so there is that.
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Hahaha I was gonna say, as awesome as he is…using Stevie P as a rehab example is probably not the best.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Hahaha I was gonna say, as awesome as he is…using Stevie P as a rehab example is probably not the best.[/quote]
I think he has the right idea for performance in your prime but not for longevity. I’ve had good luck “fixing” injuries with more training, but I’m still young. I’ll see how long it lasts.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Hahaha I was gonna say, as awesome as he is…using Stevie P as a rehab example is probably not the best.[/quote]
I think he has the right idea for performance in your prime but not for longevity. I’ve had good luck “fixing” injuries with more training, but I’m still young. I’ll see how long it lasts.[/quote]
Trust me, if I could go back in time I would tell the young me to…
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Squat more
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Deadlift more
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Foam roll the shit out of myself every day
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Trust me, if I could go back in time I would tell the young me to…
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Squat more
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Deadlift more
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Foam roll the shit out of myself every day[/quote]
Hah, amazingly, mine would be to squat and deadlift less. Once I stopped that, things really got better. I spend a lot more time with partials these days.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Hahaha I was gonna say, as awesome as he is…using Stevie P as a rehab example is probably not the best.[/quote]
I think he has the right idea for performance in your prime but not for longevity. I’ve had good luck “fixing” injuries with more training, but I’m still young. I’ll see how long it lasts.[/quote]
Trust me, if I could go back in time I would tell the young me to…
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Squat more
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Deadlift more
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Foam roll the shit out of myself every day[/quote]
Rumble roller was the best thing I’ve ever purchased. I instantly feel better after using it. I have read that some people don’t notice anything though.
Not to hyjack, but this is somthing I’ve only in the last couple weeks, finaly come around to, mobility, and prehab. In 20yrs of lifting and training other’s, I never bought into exsesive stretching and mobility work, fat people are the only ones on the tread mills, and skinney peole are the only ones doing lots of mobility work, just somthing I noticed over the years. I’ve always believed in warming up well, starting with the MT bar on what ever exercise your doing, and I’ve always believed in training for balance, 2 pulls for every push, and this sort of thing. This has always worked well for myself and clients, keep in mind these are active athlete’s participating in a sport.
Fast forwrd, this year at 40 I turned the trainer’s hat around, and decided to try and make myself strong again ( last kick at the can I guess) I’m 8mths in, and I’m noticing how tight I am, my shoulder’s are rolled forward, never had this before, and it’s not from muscle imbalance. Also I’m getting bad pain on my inner elbow, mainly from trying to maintain the way I squat, with my elbows pointing down, and my hands close to my shoulder’s. I’m having to use the back of my hand to put aftershave on my neck, as I can’t actually place the palm of my hand on my neck any more. I’m still doing face-pulls by the buckets, and my strength isn’t quite back to where it’s been before, so I don’t really understand all this. I am heavier than I’ve been before, and though I’m not as strong, I’m thicker through the upper body. I’m also older, and alot less active than in the past. I’m open to advice.
I started last week with alot of shoulder stretching with bands, also doing lots of dislocates, and for the first time in my life, I’m including flys in my chest routine, always just bench and incline. I started doing some chins, and pull-ups again. I can google mobility work, but you get all these skinney guys that are raw raw raw for this shit, but have never benched twice they’re body weight, or been lifting heavy weights for decades. I’d rather here what real guys are doing, guys that have come to this conclusion through necessity not because it’s a fad. Especialy some of you bigger guys, I’m up around 265lbs right now, so mabey this lack of mobility is just somthing I have to live with.
Anyway I’m open to advice, I know it’s not the topic of the thread, but saw some strong guys I respect around here talking about mobility work, and having to do it even though they’re skeptical. I’d like to have a little routine I could put in place, and have faith it will actually do somthing. Thanks
Anytime, check out Video: BreakingMuscle.com - Super D Video: Shoulder Mobility Work - YouTube. “SuperD” Donnie Thompson is the strength and mobility director for a physical therapy chain in the southwest, is a fairly strong guy and not particularly small.
He may not be natural, so some of you guys can argue whether what he has to say applies to “naturals” if you want.
Awesome, I can’t seem to see your vid, but I spent the morning watching Donnie Thompson, and Kelly Starrett vids. Still don’t have a simple little routine I can do for my shoulder’s, but my heads full of idea’s. As far as the natty, or natural debate, it’s nothing I personaly get hung up on, steroids are a training aid, guys that use are on the same journey, face the same obstacle’s, as everyone else, just with a 10-20% advantage. Lots can be learned from guys that are ahead of us, weight lifting wise, juiced or not. Guys need to stop being caught up in this nonsense, and take info where They can get it. A guy that can bench 600lbs has over come alot of set backs, and there’s lots to be learned from him, juiced or not.
I’ve done it both ways over the last 20yrs, and faced the exact same problems, when I hit plateau’s juiced, they’re just 10-20% heavier, than when I hit them natural, and I still have to figure out ways around them. This time back, I’m aiming for a 1500lb natural total, then I plan on bringing gear into the mix. I want to have a big natural base, before I use to keep moving. Last time I juiced, about 5yrs ago, I was stuck at 365 bench, and I used 3 cycles to get me to a double BW bench I wanted, still another year to gain 55lbs, and still a ton of work.
Some natural guys would be suprised at how little help you get form gear, it helps, buit it dosn’t do the work for you. Were all in the same battle, and need to learn from one another, and stop putting each other down. It’s a personal choice, but you still have to put the work in either way, to reach greatness. Thanks for the link.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Were all in the same battle, and need to learn from one another, and stop putting each other down.[/quote]
I wish I knew more people who felt like this.
I appreciate reading this point of view from some of the guys on these boards.
Thanks, and the quote you stole from me, should apply, not just to the geared vrs natty debate, but also to Pling vrs BBing, and athletic’s vrs BBing, and all the other nonsinse. Should jus be weightlifting vrs weak and lazy, Period. There’s tricks to be learned, from all sides of weight training.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Thanks, and the quote you stole from me, should apply, not just to the geared vrs natty debate, but also to Pling vrs BBing, and athletic’s vrs BBing, and all the other nonsinse. Should jus be weightlifting vrs weak and lazy, Period. There’s tricks to be learned, from all sides of weight training.[/quote]
I believe in this completely. That is one reason the questions being asked lately are irking me. It seems to be common “bro science” now that you have to train in some different and strange way to get big on steroids than you do if natural.
You may be able to do MORE for LONGER and see more growth from the work you do but the basics still apply no matter what.
[quote]StateOfPsychosis wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Hahaha I was gonna say, as awesome as he is…using Stevie P as a rehab example is probably not the best.[/quote]
I think he has the right idea for performance in your prime but not for longevity. I’ve had good luck “fixing” injuries with more training, but I’m still young. I’ll see how long it lasts.[/quote]
Trust me, if I could go back in time I would tell the young me to…
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Squat more
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Deadlift more
-
Foam roll the shit out of myself every day[/quote]
Rumble roller was the best thing I’ve ever purchased. I instantly feel better after using it. I have read that some people don’t notice anything though.[/quote]
Agreed. That thing is worth its weight in gold. Like having an on call masseuse at my disposal. Punisher, try out some foamrolling and mobs. Takes 10 minutes and can literally be the difference between feeling banged up (or worse) and feeling like new money.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Thanks, and the quote you stole from me, should apply, not just to the geared vrs natty debate, but also to Pling vrs BBing, and athletic’s vrs BBing, and all the other nonsinse. Should jus be weightlifting vrs weak and lazy, Period. There’s tricks to be learned, from all sides of weight training.[/quote]
Couldn’t put it any better, exactly what it should be.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is one reason the questions being asked lately are irking me. It seems to be common “bro science” now that you have to train in some different and strange way to get big on steroids than you do if natural.[/quote]
I want to ask one more time if you think this is my position. Because I’m not confident you ever understood what I was saying.
All I was trying to get at is that people who are natural need to train right. There are people on steroids who train in absurd fucking ways and make progress anyway. If you’re natural, you shouldn’t train like them, because you will probably make zero progress.
There are also people like the Lilliebridges, Malanichev, Coan, who know how to train right, and you shouldn’t fuck with anything they say whether you’re natural or not.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is one reason the questions being asked lately are irking me. It seems to be common “bro science” now that you have to train in some different and strange way to get big on steroids than you do if natural.[/quote]
I want to ask one more time if you think this is my position. Because I’m not confident you ever understood what I was saying.[/quote]
I understood you…and I understood how most would take it and go from there. These are two completely different things.
…and just from personal experience, it takes way too much dedication and actual gym time for that profile you just wrote to actually fit anyone who is truly huge. I don’t know any guys I look up to who did this in “absurd fucking ways”. They worked hard for it.
Maybe if your concept of “big” is an underwear model for Walmart then yeah…
And once again, this isn’t about looking at someone and “don’t fuck with anything they say”…because everyone responds best to something slightly different. However, the basics do NOT change.
I have learned the best from the most developed and dedicated.
What I have learned does not mean that they sound like a Nutritionists textbook when they speak.
95% of the crap most people worry about on these types of forums is useless mental masturbation used by people who often don’t and won’t ever stand out in a crowd from the average “frat boy training for abs”.