[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
From Dante:
If the most productive exercises for Bobs body is incline presses, deadlifts, dumbell curls, close grip benchs, shoulder presses, chins, calf presses, squats and leg curls, do you really think that superslow training, or other Psychoanalytical techniques are going to make Bob a superhumanly large bodybuilder? With eating enough food to get him up to every new strength and size level, and whatever else he decides, supplements, drugs, extreme stretching etc to get there the bottom line is this:
455 for 15rp on the incline bench
500 for 10 reps on the deadlift
90lb dumbell curls for 20rp
425 for 20rp on the close grip
315lbs for 15-20rp on the military
150lb rack chins for 20rp
600lb calf presses extreme stretched for 12
550 for 4-5 and 405 for 15-20 reps on the squat
the weight stack and chained plates for 15-30rp on the leg curl
IS GOING TO MAKE BOB A MONSTROUS MUSCULAR INDIVIDUAL.[/quote]
I’ve seen these #'s before. But I’ve never seen any of these in real life, except the deadlift, and yes the man was a monster.
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
From Dante:
If the most productive exercises for Bobs body is incline presses, deadlifts, dumbell curls, close grip benchs, shoulder presses, chins, calf presses, squats and leg curls, do you really think that superslow training, or other Psychoanalytical techniques are going to make Bob a superhumanly large bodybuilder? With eating enough food to get him up to every new strength and size level, and whatever else he decides, supplements, drugs, extreme stretching etc to get there the bottom line is this:
455 for 15rp on the incline bench
500 for 10 reps on the deadlift
90lb dumbell curls for 20rp
425 for 20rp on the close grip
315lbs for 15-20rp on the military
150lb rack chins for 20rp
600lb calf presses extreme stretched for 12
550 for 4-5 and 405 for 15-20 reps on the squat
the weight stack and chained plates for 15-30rp on the leg curl
IS GOING TO MAKE BOB A MONSTROUS MUSCULAR INDIVIDUAL.[/quote]
I remember reading this from Dante several times throughout the years.
I like 455 on incline bench. 
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
From Dante:
If the most productive exercises for Bobs body is incline presses, deadlifts, dumbell curls, close grip benchs, shoulder presses, chins, calf presses, squats and leg curls, do you really think that superslow training, or other Psychoanalytical techniques are going to make Bob a superhumanly large bodybuilder? With eating enough food to get him up to every new strength and size level, and whatever else he decides, supplements, drugs, extreme stretching etc to get there the bottom line is this:
455 for 15rp on the incline bench
500 for 10 reps on the deadlift
90lb dumbell curls for 20rp
425 for 20rp on the close grip
315lbs for 15-20rp on the military
150lb rack chins for 20rp
600lb calf presses extreme stretched for 12
550 for 4-5 and 405 for 15-20 reps on the squat
the weight stack and chained plates for 15-30rp on the leg curl
IS GOING TO MAKE BOB A MONSTROUS MUSCULAR INDIVIDUAL.[/quote]
I remember reading this from Dante several times throughout the years.
I like 455 on incline bench. :)[/quote]
Lol I’ve gotten the 500 lbs deadlift for 10+ reps, and that’s it from this list 
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
From Dante:
If the most productive exercises for Bobs body is incline presses, deadlifts, dumbell curls, close grip benchs, shoulder presses, chins, calf presses, squats and leg curls, do you really think that superslow training, or other Psychoanalytical techniques are going to make Bob a superhumanly large bodybuilder? With eating enough food to get him up to every new strength and size level, and whatever else he decides, supplements, drugs, extreme stretching etc to get there the bottom line is this:
455 for 15rp on the incline bench
500 for 10 reps on the deadlift
90lb dumbell curls for 20rp
425 for 20rp on the close grip
315lbs for 15-20rp on the military
150lb rack chins for 20rp
600lb calf presses extreme stretched for 12
550 for 4-5 and 405 for 15-20 reps on the squat
the weight stack and chained plates for 15-30rp on the leg curl
IS GOING TO MAKE BOB A MONSTROUS MUSCULAR INDIVIDUAL.[/quote]
I remember reading this from Dante several times throughout the years.
I like 455 on incline bench. :)[/quote]
Lol I’ve gotten the 500 lbs deadlift for 10+ reps, and that’s it from this list :([/quote]
It’s OK bro. You’re a beast and have done well for yourself! I think you’re one of the most impressive on this site and have told others that as well.
Not everyone can live up to this absurd list!
I think 455 for 15 on the incline and curling 90’s for 20 is well beyond the rest of the list. Other than maybe Greg Kovacs, who could nail those numbers?
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
I think 455 for 15 on the incline and curling 90’s for 20 is well beyond the rest of the list. Other than maybe Greg Kovacs, who could nail those numbers?[/quote]
Aside from the deadlift and squat, the list is unattainable for most, even with drugs, I believe (might be wrong).
Trevor Smith, a fellow permabulker, used to write about ungodly lifts too, lifts that were even ungodly for a Smith Machine (many of which were photographed in the bottom or top position of a lift and one depicting some insane incline Smith press with one of the hinges RACKED).
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
I think 455 for 15 on the incline and curling 90’s for 20 is well beyond the rest of the list. Other than maybe Greg Kovacs, who could nail those numbers?[/quote]
I don’t even think Kovacs did that. Kovacs loved the Smith machine though.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Benching in excess of 315lbs on a barbell…using in excess of 110lbs dumbbells for chest presses.
Curling in excess of 60lbs dumbbells for solid reps.
[/quote]
I dont’t agree. Some not very developped people are very good at the bench press and can snap 315 lbs a few while not being able to do 90lbs on the flat DB bench. Some people like me are good with the DB but can’t do much with a barbell.
Curling big weight is easy if you have long forearms and a deadlift build like me.
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
500 for 10 reps on the deadlift
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No. If you have good leverage for the deadlift and you are an endurant kind of guy this is not much.
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
500 for 10 reps on the deadlift
[/quote]
No. If you have good leverage for the deadlift and you are an endurant kind of guy this is not much.[/quote]
No to what?
100 pushups i believe is a good number
according to this
455lbs for ten reps gives a 1RM of a little over 600lbs. That would be quite a sight to see! Especially on an incline
I think we’re all forgetting the T Nation member who could incline 495x15.
lol, that was a shitstorm for the ages
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
I think we’re all forgetting the T Nation member who could incline 495x15.
lol, that was a shitstorm for the ages[/quote]
Yes, I remember. I liked that guy too. Unfortunately, permabulkers, most being good people, stereotypically say this sort of stuff. I think it goes with the whole stereotypical permabulking image and mentality, especially on the 'net. Maybe it’s because of the same delusion that leads them to believe they’re carrying far more muscle than they do.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I also know most of them are less worried about their “pecs” specifically pushing the barbell up and more worried with the weight going up. I know they also focus on individual muscles…but nowhere near the degree of a bodybuilder.[/quote]
This.
The simplest way I’ve heard it described is “training a movement” as opposed to “training a muscle.”
Which also brings me to a question I’ve thought of a couple of times just from observing how most BB’ers look to how most PL’ers look: (and the mention of alpha and his workouts)
Why is there a different “look” to a BBer and a PLer of VERY SIMILAR STATS*?
I feel like a BBer will have a certain “look” that seems to have fuller muscle belly’s, more even development of all muscles, and "more aesthetic.
Where as I feel like a PLer will hav a certain “look” that seems to be a bit denser, blockier, and generally more “brick shit house” look and a little "less aesthetic.
*I say “VERY SIMILAR STATS” because I’d rather this thread not turn into “you can’t find pics of a bber and a pler with the exact same stats so it’s dumb” lol. If they’re within an inch or so of height and 5-10lbs of weight, I’ll call it similar enough. If someone’s got a better idea, I’m all ears, but I think you get my point.
I hope I conveyed my point well enough for someone to get what I’m saying, lol.
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I also know most of them are less worried about their “pecs” specifically pushing the barbell up and more worried with the weight going up. I know they also focus on individual muscles…but nowhere near the degree of a bodybuilder.[/quote]
This.
The simplest way I’ve heard it described is “training a movement” as opposed to “training a muscle.”
Which also brings me to a question I’ve thought of a couple of times just from observing how most BB’ers look to how most PL’ers look: (and the mention of alpha and his workouts)
Why is there a different “look” to a BBer and a PLer of VERY SIMILAR STATS*?
I feel like a BBer will have a certain “look” that seems to have fuller muscle belly’s, more even development of all muscles, and "more aesthetic.
Where as I feel like a PLer will hav a certain “look” that seems to be a bit denser, blockier, and generally more “brick shit house” look and a little "less aesthetic.
*I say “VERY SIMILAR STATS” because I’d rather this thread not turn into “you can’t find pics of a bber and a pler with the exact same stats so it’s dumb” lol. If they’re within an inch or so of height and 5-10lbs of weight, I’ll call it similar enough. If someone’s got a better idea, I’m all ears, but I think you get my point.
I hope I conveyed my point well enough for someone to get what I’m saying, lol.[/quote]
This is something that’s fascinated me for awhile. I agree as long as you’re talking about “aesthetics” in the sense of someone like Zyzz or a fitness model. I actually like how lean powerlifters look better. Someone like pete rubish for example. huge traps and back. Although on a much smaller scale (I’m not near that jacked) I’ve noticed this on myself since I’ve trained more so for powerlifting. Then again my traps and back have always been strong points.
Good post.
I totally see what you’re saying. I think most of the very jacked powerlifters look great but have somewhat asymmetrical physiques. What I’ve noticed most are traps, upper backs, and delts developed more than the other muscle groups. I’ve also noticed a lack of quad sweep in many.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Good post.
I totally see what you’re saying. I think most of the very jacked powerlifters look great but have somewhat asymmetrical physiques. What I’ve noticed most are traps, upper backs, and delts developed more than the other muscle groups. I’ve also noticed a lack of quad sweep in many. [/quote]
Yea I agree with this. They tend to have certain bodyparts that IMO blow bodybuilders out of the water, but as an overall package “aesthetically” the bodybuilders are more complete.
Powerlifter and bodybuilder Andy Fiedler.
Layne norton comes to mind as someone who has bridged the gap awesomely. He’s aesthetic and strong as shit.
