Strength, Fighting Ability Revealed In Faces

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I am amazed that this always comes up, time and time again.

The simple facts are that in a one on one fight in the street or in the bar, a trained boxer will beat an unskilled regular guy who may be much larger than them. There is no way in hell that a guy who fights regularly in something so scientific as boxing is going to be caught off-guard and lose to someone in a straight up fight barring the usage of a weapon or some unforseen circumstance like heart failure. Boxers are dangerous people.

Now if both fighters are skilled, the larger guy will likely win because he’s going to hit a lot harder. If you don’t believe me, watch what happens to Pacman when he fights DLH in Decemeber.

If bother fighters are unskilled, the larger guy is going to have a better chance at winning. Hate to say it, but it’s true. The smaller guy is definitely going to be at a disadvantage.

Now most times this shit doesn’t matter anyway, because no fight that I’ve ever seen has ever been a fair, stand up fight between just two guys- it’s been a sprawling, sloppy brawl between many (mostly drunk) people who may or may not have weapons.

On top of that, I don’t know how all you tough guys have gotten into fights and not broken your hands or your wrists. If you’ve ever broken your hand, let me tell you that it hurts like fuck, and is seriously going to fuck up your plans of ruling the bar.

Once I saw a boxer get in a brawl. He was a skinny black kid with fast hands, and he did some damage… until a friend of mine hit him in the face with a cue ball stuffed in a sock.

My point? There’s too many variables in street violence for you people to argue about it.

On top of that, if bigger guys weren’t more dangerous, there wouldn’t be weight classes every 7 pounds in most fighting leagues, be it boxing, wrestling, or whatever.

So keep yapping… you may as well be arguing over whether you should vote for the Red Sox or the Knicks to man the next space flight. Makes about as much sense.[/quote]

Knicks. NASA has enough bad mojo going on as it is.

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Eddie Curry probably couldn’t fit in the module.

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I second X’s laugh!

Force = mass x acceleration. So if you have a lot of mass you only need a moderately amount of speed to produce a massive amount of force. I would rather get hit by a plastic wiffle ball at 30 mph than a baseball. Common sense.

mass and strength are different things, that is what i was trying to illustrate, strength is not the determining factor in punching so basically your argument supports me not x. I guess my example was bad.

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Jorge - 5’10 and 185lb

Ray (Kimbo Slice’s protege) - 6’0 and 200lb

Who wins? Both times.

The smaller guy.

Fighting is not just about size, but also about heart.

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Just for a little extra, check out this clip of David Blaine taking two punches from Kimbo Slice.

Holy shit those punches had some power behind them! Kimbo wasn’t holding back. I wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of that. And David didn’t even look winded.

I wouldn’t want to stand there and take a punch from Kimbo unless I had a bulletproof vest on. Even then I’d be having second thoughts about it. lol.

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Question:
Why does benching have such an importance in fighting?
As far as i’m concerned the power from a punch comes mainly (for beginners anyway) from the core and legs.
I’d rather be punched by a guy with a 600 pound bench and 200 pound clean than a guy with a 400 pound clean and a 200 pound bench.

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[quote]blazindave wrote:
Question:
Why does benching have such an importance in fighting?
As far as i’m concerned the power from a punch comes mainly (for beginners anyway) from the core and legs.
I’d rather be punched by a guy with a 600 pound bench and 200 pound clean than a guy with a 400 pound clean and a 200 pound bench.
[/quote]

No matter - a good punch always receives it’s main power from the legs and core…the arm and back act as the conduit of that power. The stronger your back and arms are the better they can transfer that power.

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[quote]drewh wrote:
I second X’s laugh!

Force = mass x acceleration. So if you have a lot of mass you only need a moderately amount of speed to produce a massive amount of force. I would rather get hit by a plastic wiffle ball at 30 mph than a baseball. Common sense.

mass and strength are different things, that is what i was trying to illustrate, strength is not the determining factor in punching so basically your argument supports me not x. I guess my example was bad.[/quote]

It isn’t as simple as the F=ma equation either. I was just showing how dumb your statement was by showing you that Force has two, not one variable.

A punch has the following variables adding to it’s effectiveness:

Speed, mass, and the force generated in the muscle that can be transferred via the fist int he object that is hit. When you his something, if you know how to hit, you accelerate through the object being hit. Meaning your muscles are producing an energy potential beyond the simple F=ma equation. That energy is transferred into the object being hit. So you have the energy from the speed and mass of the fist/body chain and the energy from the contraction of the muscle - all delivered at the point and through the fist to the object being hit. This means the stronger you are the harder you can hit…and the bigger you are the harder you can hit. If you are big and strong and fast – you can hit hardest.

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[quote]JohnnyBlaze wrote:
Jorge - 5’10 and 185lb

Ray (Kimbo Slice’s protege) - 6’0 and 200lb

Who wins? Both times.

The smaller guy.

Fighting is not just about size, but also about heart.[/quote]

This is anecdotal evidence (look that up). Also, all things being equal - the bigger guy would win. But we also know there are many factors in a fight that are NOT equal. So your argument does not stand.

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[quote]mmllcc wrote:
JohnnyBlaze wrote:
Jorge - 5’10 and 185lb

Ray (Kimbo Slice’s protege) - 6’0 and 200lb

Who wins? Both times.

The smaller guy.

Fighting is not just about size, but also about heart.

This is anecdotal evidence (look that up). Also, all things being equal - the bigger guy would win. But we also know there are many factors in a fight that are NOT equal. So your argument does not stand.[/quote]

Still, fights aren’t conducted in a laboratory setting, so anecdotal evidence is more valid in this argument than others. But I’m not taking sides.

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:
mmllcc wrote:
JohnnyBlaze wrote:
Jorge - 5’10 and 185lb

Ray (Kimbo Slice’s protege) - 6’0 and 200lb

Who wins? Both times.

The smaller guy.

Fighting is not just about size, but also about heart.

This is anecdotal evidence (look that up). Also, all things being equal - the bigger guy would win. But we also know there are many factors in a fight that are NOT equal. So your argument does not stand.

Still, fights aren’t conducted in a laboratory setting, so anecdotal evidence is more valid in this argument than others. But I’m not taking sides.[/quote]

As others have mentioned, the final settlement of this argument:

Weight Classes.

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[quote]JohnnyBlaze wrote:
Just for a little extra, check out this clip of David Blaine taking two punches from Kimbo Slice.

Holy shit those punches had some power behind them! Kimbo wasn’t holding back. I wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of that. And David didn’t even look winded.

I wouldn’t want to stand there and take a punch from Kimbo unless I had a bulletproof vest on. Even then I’d be having second thoughts about it. lol.[/quote]

He took them going backwards. It is a trick.

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[quote]mmllcc wrote:
drewh wrote:
I second X’s laugh!

Force = mass x acceleration. So if you have a lot of mass you only need a moderately amount of speed to produce a massive amount of force. I would rather get hit by a plastic wiffle ball at 30 mph than a baseball. Common sense.

mass and strength are different things, that is what i was trying to illustrate, strength is not the determining factor in punching so basically your argument supports me not x. I guess my example was bad.

It isn’t as simple as the F=ma equation either. I was just showing how dumb your statement was by showing you that Force has two, not one variable.

A punch has the following variables adding to it’s effectiveness:

Speed, mass, and the force generated in the muscle that can be transferred via the fist int he object that is hit. When you his something, if you know how to hit, you accelerate through the object being hit.

Meaning your muscles are producing an energy potential beyond the simple F=ma equation. That energy is transferred into the object being hit. So you have the energy from the speed and mass of the fist/body chain and the energy from the contraction of the muscle - all delivered at the point and through the fist to the object being hit.

This means the stronger you are the harder you can hit…and the bigger you are the harder you can hit. If you are big and strong and fast – you can hit hardest. [/quote]

It all stills comes down to simple physics. The different techniques of punching just use those physics to their advantage.

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Just because someone is a trained boxer or whatever doesnt mean they cant be beat. Some ppl can naturally just fight. I promise you that out of the billions of ppl on earth, there is someone who has never seen the inside of a boxing gym or karate studio that would lay Floyd Mayweather or your favorite black belt down in a fight.

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[quote]JohnnyBlaze wrote:
Jorge - 5’10 and 185lb

Ray (Kimbo Slice’s protege) - 6’0 and 200lb

Who wins? Both times.

The smaller guy.

Fighting is not just about size, but also about heart.[/quote]

But then youre only talking 15 pounds. A 185 pound man fighting a 200 pound man could be a pretty eaqual fight. Its a big difference between that and a 135 pound man fighting a 200 pound man.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I am amazed that this always comes up, time and time again.

The simple facts are that in a one on one fight in the street or in the bar, a trained boxer will beat an unskilled regular guy who may be much larger than them.

There is no way in hell that a guy who fights regularly in something so scientific as boxing is going to be caught off-guard and lose to someone in a straight up fight barring the usage of a weapon or some unforseen circumstance like heart failure. Boxers are dangerous people.

Now if both fighters are skilled, the larger guy will likely win because he’s going to hit a lot harder. If you don’t believe me, watch what happens to Pacman when he fights DLH in Decemeber.

If bother fighters are unskilled, the larger guy is going to have a better chance at winning. Hate to say it, but it’s true. The smaller guy is definitely going to be at a disadvantage.

Now most times this shit doesn’t matter anyway, because no fight that I’ve ever seen has ever been a fair, stand up fight between just two guys- it’s been a sprawling, sloppy brawl between many (mostly drunk) people who may or may not have weapons.

On top of that, I don’t know how all you tough guys have gotten into fights and not broken your hands or your wrists. If you’ve ever broken your hand, let me tell you that it hurts like fuck, and is seriously going to fuck up your plans of ruling the bar.

Once I saw a boxer get in a brawl. He was a skinny black kid with fast hands, and he did some damage… until a friend of mine hit him in the face with a cue ball stuffed in a sock.

My point? There’s too many variables in street violence for you people to argue about it.

On top of that, if bigger guys weren’t more dangerous, there wouldn’t be weight classes every 7 pounds in most fighting leagues, be it boxing, wrestling, or whatever.

So keep yapping… you may as well be arguing over whether you should vote for the Red Sox or the Knicks to man the next space flight. Makes about as much sense.[/quote]

Was he knocked out after he got hit with that cue ball in a sock?

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Hijack…when is this coming out:

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
Was he knocked out after he got hit with that cue ball in a sock?
[/quote]

people die that way, I’d be suprised if he wasn’t at least rendered unconsious.

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[quote]drewh wrote:
Oh my god x come on I guarantee you do not punch harder than floyd mayweather, or anderson silva. These men surely could beat you in a fight. And on punching It’s physics what’s going to cause more damage a bullet or me throwing a baseball at you.[/quote]

Put on a bullet proof vest, (its not as if your going to punch someone so hard that you’ll pierce them)and make it a steel baseball sized object so its the same density.

All of a sudden the difference in damage caused isn’t that big.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
blazindave wrote:
Question:
Why does benching have such an importance in fighting?

It doesn’t. Alot of fighters don’t bench press at all.

I’d rather be punched by the guy who benches alot but doesn’t squat and do ab work, because that’s where your power comes from.[/quote]

Who said anything about punching? In a fight were there is no rules you would most likely be grappling (assuming no weapons), your not trying to score points, you would be trying to kill or cause your opponent to submit.

Strength favors this type of fighting.
Very few people are actually trained to kill, so strength would be a major factor