I dont think the 130lb “crazy” guy is going to kick someone’s ass who weighs a solid 230+ just because he is “crazy”…lol
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Is this where the debate starts? People making up random scenarios ad nauseum?
I can’t even remember the last time I saw several people benching over 300lbs. I also know that regardless of fighting ability, if you put some 5’5" 130lbs ninja against a 300lbs guy who can bench 500+lbs for reps, I would not be betting on the littlest ninja.
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Well maybe if he had weapons. Hand to hand, no!no!no! He might run around and get in a lot of hits. Once the grappling starts though, someones getting torn in half.
My money’s on the crazy ninja.
- Bruce Lee Style Breath Scream *
Ninja have katanas, fools!
Muhahahaha!
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
ab_power wrote:
I would say that weight-training/being bigger helps when it comes to fighting untrained people (90% of the population). If you are fairly strong in the gym, chances are if you cranked someone in the face or tried to take them down onto the pavement, you could do it quite easily.
Honestly, I mean if you can bench 300lbs and you are about to fight a skinny-fat guy who could barely unrack 135, who might have more of an advantage? When it comes to people outside of all this MMA stuff (everyone is “doing” MMA now), the bigger/stronger person always wins the fight. Where are all these 130lb people that beat the crap out of big guys?
Didn’t you see never back down? [/quote]
Yea brah. That same night I went to the bar wearing my favorite affliction t-shirt, and while ordering a jagerbomb some guy accidently bumped into me. So I grabbed him and busted out a sick arm-bar. Me and my Bros then beat the shit out of every bouncer at the bar. Finally I went home, had a xyience energy drink to wash down some NO-xplode, benched 400lbs for reps w/ my feet up on the bench, and hit-up the speed-bag.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Is this where the debate starts? People making up random scenarios ad nauseum?
I can’t even remember the last time I saw several people benching over 300lbs. I also know that regardless of fighting ability, if you put some 5’5" 130lbs ninja against a 300lbs guy who can bench 500+lbs for reps, I would not be betting on the littlest ninja.
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I think you’d be hard pressed to find anyone to bet on the ninja. I really wasn’t trying to get into this type of argument. All I’m saying is that while strength and victories in a fight might be often correlated, this is not always the case. I’m sure back in the times of early man when this phenomenon was developed, fighting was more common and therefore skills were more widespread.
I just don’t believe that these researchers effectively proved an ability to read fighting skills in someone’s face. If they wanted to do that, they should have mixed a few professional or even amateur fighters into the bag and seen if people could pick them out as being superior fighters.
Now in the spirit of pointless, hypothetical situations:
Ryan Kennelly vs. Mirko Crocop? Who do you think will win in a fight?
[quote]timbofirstblood wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Is this where the debate starts? People making up random scenarios ad nauseum?
I can’t even remember the last time I saw several people benching over 300lbs. I also know that regardless of fighting ability, if you put some 5’5" 130lbs ninja against a 300lbs guy who can bench 500+lbs for reps, I would not be betting on the littlest ninja.
I think you’d be hard pressed to find anyone to bet on the ninja. I really wasn’t trying to get into this type of argument. All I’m saying is that while strength and victories in a fight might be often correlated, this is not always the case. I’m sure back in the times of early man when this phenomenon was developed, fighting was more common and therefore skills were more widespread.
I just don’t believe that these researchers effectively proved an ability to read fighting skills in someone’s face. If they wanted to do that, they should have mixed a few professional or even amateur fighters into the bag and seen if people could pick them out as being superior fighters.
Now in the spirit of pointless, hypothetical situations:
Ryan Kennelly vs. Mirko Crocop? Who do you think will win in a fight?[/quote]
I’ve got a better one…
kobe bryant vs. tiger woods in a game of 21… who would win?
[quote]timbofirstblood wrote:
I just don’t believe that these researchers effectively proved an ability to read fighting skills in someone’s face.
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the article was about PERCEIVED threat. the strongest tested and largest individuals were perceived as the physically most threatening. the point was, there was a time (pre-historic) when no one had “real” fight training, a fight was punching, clawing, biting, and strangling your opponent. a stronger man has better chance of winning that type of combat. people developed the instinct to tell who should be avoided in a fight, an instinct to judge a person’s relative muscle mass compared to your own. thats what the point of the study is. no where did it say it was a test of who had the best martial arts or fighting training; it was a study about who, instinctually, a person would LEAST like to get in a fight with. and the finding is that instinctually, people will avoid confrontation with someone who is at least PERCEIVED as stronger than them.
on a side note, i think most of the “a crazy 130 pound guy could take a out a much bigger guy” crap comes from delusional pro-wrestling fans.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think little people (as in wannabe MMA fighters who don’t compete) lately underestimating every big guy they see is about the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. [/quote]
I completely agree and I am so glad I had my ass humbled by wrestling before I got my ass beaten badly.
Even if I am naturally good at wrestling… wrestling up two weight classes was the dumbest thing my coach ever had me do. But I’m glad he had me do it. It taught me the importance of size… and that I wasn’t invincible. I am very grateful that I was taught this at a young age and was able to avoid getting completely destroyed by people who outweigh me by 100lbs and have a foot on me.
[quote]hypnotoad wrote:
the article was about PERCEIVED threat. the strongest tested and largest individuals were perceived as the physically most threatening. the point was, there was a time (pre-historic) when no one had “real” fight training, a fight was punching, clawing, biting, and strangling your opponent. a stronger man has better chance of winning that type of combat. people developed the instinct to tell who should be avoided in a fight, an instinct to judge a person’s relative muscle mass compared to your own. thats what the point of the study is. no where did it say it was a test of who had the best martial arts or fighting training; it was a study about who, instinctually, a person would LEAST like to get in a fight with. and the finding is that instinctually, people will avoid confrontation with someone who is at least PERCEIVED as stronger than them.
on a side note, i think most of the “a crazy 130 pound guy could take a out a much bigger guy” crap comes from delusional pro-wrestling fans.
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Did you read the article?
“Now, a study conducted by a team of scientists at the University of California, Santa Barbara has found that a mechanism exists within the human brain that enables people to determine with uncanny accuracy the fighting ability of men around them by honing in on their upper body strength. What’s more, that assessment can be made even when everything but the men’s faces are obscured from view.”
I’m 5’9" 180-ish and lift weights. A buddy of mine is 5’6" [being generous] 135-ish and does a shitload of calisthenics [handstand push-ups and shit] but might not be able to bench his bodyweight. We got drunk and wrestled and he beat me down. Nine times in a row. BEAT ME DOWN. If it was an actual fist fight I probably woulda KO’d him, but that’s because I know how to throw a punch, not 'cause I can bench 1.5 times my bodyweight. Aggressiveness, control and technique are far more important than strength.
[quote]strangec wrote:
Agreed, Royce Gracie proved you don’t have to be strong to be a good fighter.
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If Royce Gracie fights on the street the way he fought in UFC he will probably lose - nothing like laying on your back on asphalt covered with broken glass while 2 guys kick you in the head and another guy throws bricks at you.
A friend of mine at the gym benches 810 raw for a couple of reps depending on what sort of day he is having, played pro-football for Miami for 6 years, was world ranked in arm wrestling last year, roughly 290 LBS with a 34 inch waist - does not do martial arts, but I doubt many small lean Gracie Jujutsu guys would have much of a chance against him.
i always think people with small ears that are really close to their head can take a punch. those people are also usually bald.
id rather be over estimated anyway. i have broad shoulders and big forearms plus im taller than most people. and when im out trying to have fun and pick up chicks the last thing i want is to ruin the night by scuffing up my sneakers or stretching out my shirt cause some fag has liquor balls.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I’m 5’9" 180-ish and lift weights. A buddy of mine is 5’6" [being generous] 135-ish and does a shitload of calisthenics [handstand push-ups and shit] but might not be able to bench his bodyweight. We got drunk and wrestled and he beat me down. Nine times in a row. BEAT ME DOWN. If it was an actual fist fight I probably woulda KO’d him, but that’s because I know how to throw a punch, not 'cause I can bench 1.5 times my bodyweight. Aggressiveness, control and technique are far more important than strength.[/quote]
yeah i have some friends who are way smaller than me but can put up a fight when wrestling. although they also dont seem to care about fucking up their clothes as much as i do.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Us too. Many is the time we put the gloves on and whipped each others ass, plus we wrestled each other and put submission holds on each other back when they were called things like a hammerlock instead of a kimura.
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That goes back a long ways because a Kimura has been called a Kimura for something like 6 decades.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i always think people with small ears that are really close to their head can take a punch. those people are also usually bald.
id rather be over estimated anyway. i have broad shoulders and big forearms plus im taller than most people. and when im out trying to have fun and pick up chicks the last thing i want is to ruin the night by scuffing up my sneakers or stretching out my shirt cause some fag has liquor balls.[/quote]
Liqour balls…hahahahahaha, never heard it called that before.
Reminds me of a joke;
QUESTION : How does a (insert female description here, depending on who you want to tease - high school teacher, nurse, aerobics instructor, MILF etc) hold her liqour (licker)?
ANSWER : by the ears.
Bullshit. All I need to know about fighting, I learned from watching the UFC and Spike TV. Plus, I have an Affliction t-shirt. No one fucks with me when I am wearing my Affliction t-shirt. And I sneer a lot.
Just this morning I bumped into this dude in the hallway on purpose! He was all like “dude, what’s the problem?” I’m all like, “Step off man! Or I’ll have to lay your punk ass out on the floor!” And he was all like “Whatever man” And he WALKED!
He saw my Affliction t-shirt and the sneer on my face and then he KNEW that he was about to get a beat down!
Good thing he walked away! I was about to bust his ass! I’M SO FUCKING HARDCORE!
[quote]Zack Nelson wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i always think people with small ears that are really close to their head can take a punch. those people are also usually bald.
id rather be over estimated anyway. i have broad shoulders and big forearms plus im taller than most people. and when im out trying to have fun and pick up chicks the last thing i want is to ruin the night by scuffing up my sneakers or stretching out my shirt cause some fag has liquor balls.
Liqour balls…hahahahahaha, never heard it called that before.
Reminds me of a joke;
QUESTION : How does a (insert female description here, depending on who you want to tease - high school teacher, nurse, aerobics instructor, MILF etc) hold her liqour (licker)?
ANSWER : by the ears.
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…i dont get it
[quote]Zack Nelson wrote:
A friend of mine at the gym benches 810 raw for a couple of reps depending on what sort of day he is having,
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???
[quote]Zack Nelson wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Us too. Many is the time we put the gloves on and whipped each others ass, plus we wrestled each other and put submission holds on each other back when they were called things like a hammerlock instead of a kimura.
That goes back a long ways because a Kimura has been called a Kimura for something like 6 decades.
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you dont know how old zap is do you?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
I’d rather be underestimated.
I wouldn’t. In most cases, I wouldn’t have to fight.
The best outcome of a street fight is to avoid it in the first place. One of the basic premises of Martial Arts is the avoidance of conflict, not the daring of it.[/quote]
I have other ‘attributes’ I could use to avoid conflict. If one will back out of a fight due to his opponent’s size, then other methods of intimidation may prove equally effective. When there’s no chance of avoiding the conflict, the surprise and confusion created by underestimation will ensure it ends quickly and in the underestimated’s favor.
I have no formal MA training myself, but I would bet another one of their basic premises in to never underestimate an opponent, for this very reason.
That said, you’re much larger than me, X. Perhaps I would believe differently if I were bigger.