Strength Athletes Dying Early

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]KBCThird wrote:
greekdawg wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
If you have to put on 50 lbs of bodyweight to add 5 lbs onto your lift YOU GOT STRONGER.

I’m sorry than you did not get stronger. So yould potentially sacrifice 50 lbs of weight (not necessarily muscle) just to say you got stronger by 5 lbs? That is the saddest thing I’ve seen written. And yes, I’m a powerlifter. I

This is an honest question: if adding 5 lbs to a lift doesnt qualify you as having gotten stronger, do you have a definition of “getting stronger” that does not involve bodyweight ratios? I’d use myself as an example: I benched 320 at a bw around 185-190, and 360@230. The weight gain just came from lifting over the years, not as a concentrated effort to up my bench. My ratio was better at 190, but I dont see how you can say that a 40 lb increase in an exercise isnt a gain in strength simply because there was 40lb gain in bw
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We just agree to disagree then. When I first started PLing the first gym I went to practiced the GFH plan: eat everything and keep moving up in weight,train hard, etc. They were strong, but they also keep getting bigger and bigger and it wasn’t all clean (fat).

Eventually, one guy reached a cieling. You go to a nationals and you see that the guys in your weight class are outclassing you because they much more muscle. Not to mention, all of the negatives that come with carrying extra bodyfat. Eventually, my old coach had to cut back down to be competitive and regain his health.

Sure, gaining weight (be it muscle or fat) will make your lifts go up. Carrying more bulk wil definitely help the squat and of course the bench.

fast forward, I now train at a PL gym with a group of guys who are realtively lean, watch their diets to a certain extent and focus on getting stronger through gaining muscle and heural adaption. The result, I now outclass all of those guys at my old gym and they are much heavier than me.

Like I said, maybe we just have two definitions of what you consider strong and the means to get there. But I would never pat myself on the back getting stronger but just letting myself get sloppy.

Take your example of you, you gained 40 lbs increase in your bench. You also gained 40 lbs of bodyweight. Now if most of it was muscle than hey, of course it is a positive. More muscle is always a good thing.

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Everyone go to their gym today. Tell the fools out there to calm down and be smart. Tell them that weighting over 185 is a death sentence. Heavy Squats and Pizza Pies ('cause it’s 1913 and we still say pizza pie) will kill anyone who attempts them!
185 should be the gold standard. If it’s not, then why do so many T-Nation members who’ve been lifting for 5+ years have trouble getting to this point?

…Because that is the absolute limit of human potential. 200? Pfft fuck that shit, yea, 200 if you wanna die at 19! 210? What, are you some kind of circus freak?

Warn the masses! I’m having T-shirts sent to all members.
SQUATS + PIZZA PIE = YOU DIE.

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“More muscle is always a good thing.”

No it’s not. Over 185 = heart attack.

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[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
“More muscle is always a good thing.”

No it’s not. Over 185 = heart attack.[/quote]

LOL. I haven’t weighed 185 since I was 11. These last 19 years have been on borrowed time, its only a matter of time before my heart explodes.

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[quote]BigBen72 wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
“More muscle is always a good thing.”

No it’s not. Over 185 = heart attack.

LOL. I haven’t weighed 185 since I was 11. These last 19 years have been on borrowed time, its only a matter of time before my heart explodes. [/quote]

Ya dude, your hardcore taking the risks, be careful!

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[quote]Nikiforos wrote:
I wonder if I would give up longevity to live life to its fullest.

Jon Pall did, knowing his hereditary heart problems, he looks like he had a hell of a time.

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Dude, absolutely the greatest strongman of all time.

“There’s no point in being alive if you can’t do the deadlift.” - Jon Pall Sigmarsson

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Ben, get some help my friend.

I was once big like you, but then I saw the lite. Now, I’m a fairly huge 173, ripped…sort of like Brad Pitt in fight club. Now alllll the waif girls like me. I’m tellin you, it’s the way to be.

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[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
robo1 wrote:
There’s a trend? Who else has died? Maybe once a month you see somebody’s name pop up, but that’s just life. I think you may be overstating it a bit. I don’t think there is an epidemic of PLs dropping dead. PL/strongman etc. involves a lot of risk with regard to pushing your body beyond its limits. Marunde is a perfect example of that, trying to push himself harder and something went wrong.

I would have to find all of my old issues of PL USA, but there are tons of names in there of heavyweight powerlifters who are dropping dead in their 30’s and 40’s mostly because of heart conditions; strongmen too like that American a few years ago who died at 28 from a heart attack, Anthony Clark and tons of more obscure lifters. I would call this a trend. Lots of wrestlers dying too.[/quote]

I’d agree. Jon Paul Sigmarrsson(sp) died in his mid to late 30s.

Boatloads of anabolics with a high saturated fat diet will kill you early. Like it or not, but the amount of food required to get to over 300 and stay there usually isn’t a good idea.

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This thread is great…

If you lift more weight in August than you did in July you haven’t gotten stronger.

If I bench the same weight as you I’m not as strong as you.

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[quote]I’d agree. Jon Paul Sigmarrsson(sp) died in his mid to late 30s.

Boatloads of anabolics with a high saturated fat diet will kill you early. Like it or not, but the amount of food required to get to over 300 and stay there usually isn’t a good idea.

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I posted a little tribute to Jon Pall in this thread earlier because it reminded me of him…

He happens to have had a heart disorder (exactly which one escapes me) from which his sister also died at a very young age. He knew about it before he died (while deadlifting)

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Monopoly19 wrote:
Who knows what happened to Jesse, I for one am waiting for the autoposy (SP?) report. I hope for everyone that he was clean.

I personally think it’s a combination of things. The human body was not meant to weigh 300lbs, let alone 380lbs.

Combine that much body weight with extreme exercise, possible lack of poor diet, and abuse of AAS, it spells disaster. AAS IMO are a major part of any elite level sport, just take a look at how fast some of the younger strongmen have put weight on. There is responsible use, and abuse. Abuse and poor diet will kill ya.

Monopoly

HOpe he was clean?
You know before coming to this site I MAY have thought that possible. After reading all the forums on steriods though, I have to ask are you kidding me?[/quote]

Ya, I hope. Not many guys can close the COC at 18 years old. Not only did Jesse have gifted God given strength and ability, but he worked his ass off to. On the flip side, my brain questions the weight any pro strongman moves and I wonder how anyone could possibly do it without help.

Monopoly