Strength Athletes Dying Early

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
shizen wrote:
Julius_Caesar wrote:
OneDay wrote:
No one who can lift 1000 pounds is a fat slob.

Are you kidding me?

Rychlak looks like he does about double bodyweight. His fucking gut is so big it looks like he is 9 months pregnant with septuplets. Anthony Clark who also died young was another morbidly obese powerlifter.

Andy Bolton is another fat slob. Gary Frank before he trimmed down a bit was another morbid fatso. In fact, show me some people that can lift that much weight and who aren’t cellulite supremacists full of wiggly-jiggly, prodigious amounts of lard and blubber; they are in the minority…

Ryan Kennelly isn’t a fat slob, look him up-and he can lift 1k±.

Like I said, there are guys who can lift under 1000 pounds who aren’t fat slobs but they are in the minority.

Why is everyone so hung up on 1000 pounds anyway? Half of these fatsos can’t even do a triple bodyweight deadlift because their bodyweight is so high.

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I feel like a broken record here. Why are we hung up on 1000 lbs? CAUSE IT’S 1000 LBS!!! THAT’S HALF A FUCKING TON!!!

And furthermore Susan, these “fastos” as you keep referring to them are not deadlift specialists. Rychlak, Mendelson, Kennelly, these guys are bench specialists. That’s why they triple their bodyweight on the bench.

Bolton and Magnusson are deadlift specialists, and they triple their bodyweight on the deadlift. The reason the great majority of what you refer to as fatsos don’t triple bodyweight their deadlift is, as I’ve said in the past, because #1 the deadlift always comes last in a competition after you’ve had three max squats and three max benches, and #2 deadlift suits don’t help nearly as much as a squat suit or a bench shirt help…

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Julius_Caesar wrote:

Why is everyone so hung up on 1000 pounds anyway? Half of these fatsos can’t even do a triple bodyweight deadlift because their bodyweight is so high.

Because nobody gives a crap about your relative strength. Nobody ever said “I want a triple bodyweight bench when I grow up,” when they were a kid/teenager. They said “I want to bench 300” or 400 or 500 or whatever objective number they thought qualified as “really frigging strong.”

Bodyweight ratios were created to make weak people feel less weak and give them a “reason” as to why they’re not strong. 'Oh, well, that guy outweighs me, so no wonder he outbenches/squats/whatevers me." No, the reason he outlifts you is because he’s stronger than you are. If you have to put on 50 lbs of bodyweight to add 5 lbs onto your lift YOU GOT STRONGER.
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What a joke… So some fat slob Bubba type in a commercial gym who heaves 315 off of his fat stomach is “just as strong” as a lightweight elite powerlifter who benches 315 but weighs 150-200 pounds less than him? That is an asinine mentality. To me I am more impressed by bodyweight percentages.

This is not to mention that promoting morbid obesity is not a good thing. It’s the reason why whenever I discuss powerlifting as a gym people always say that they don’t want to get into it because they “don’t want to get fat.” Lots of olympic lifters are even more of fatsos.

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[quote]OneDay wrote:
Julius_Caesar wrote:
shizen wrote:
Julius_Caesar wrote:
OneDay wrote:
No one who can lift 1000 pounds is a fat slob.

Are you kidding me?

Rychlak looks like he does about double bodyweight. His fucking gut is so big it looks like he is 9 months pregnant with septuplets. Anthony Clark who also died young was another morbidly obese powerlifter.

Andy Bolton is another fat slob. Gary Frank before he trimmed down a bit was another morbid fatso. In fact, show me some people that can lift that much weight and who aren’t cellulite supremacists full of wiggly-jiggly, prodigious amounts of lard and blubber; they are in the minority…

Ryan Kennelly isn’t a fat slob, look him up-and he can lift 1k±.

Like I said, there are guys who can lift under 1000 pounds who aren’t fat slobs but they are in the minority.

Why is everyone so hung up on 1000 pounds anyway? Half of these fatsos can’t even do a triple bodyweight deadlift because their bodyweight is so high.

I feel like a broken record here. Why are we hung up on 1000 lbs? CAUSE IT’S 1000 LBS!!! THAT’S HALF A FUCKING TON!!!

And furthermore Susan, these “fastos” as you keep referring to them are not deadlift specialists. Rychlak, Mendelson, Kennelly, these guys are bench specialists. That’s why they triple their bodyweight on the bench.

Bolton and Magnusson are deadlift specialists, and they triple their bodyweight on the deadlift. The reason the great majority of what you refer to as fatsos don’t triple bodyweight their deadlift is, as I’ve said in the past, because #1 the deadlift always comes last in a competition after you’ve had three max squats and three max benches, and #2 deadlift suits don’t help nearly as much as a squat suit or a bench shirt help…[/quote]

Point is that tripling your bodyweight does not make you sniff at quadrupling or even quintupling it… Guys like Coan or Erwin Gainer did both and didn’t look like the Lord of the Donut Rings while doing it either…

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
I think that it’s obvious that many who post on t nation look down their noses at fat people…UNLESS that fat person happens to be quite strong. At that point the fat person is not really a fat person at all. He’s a strong person who happens to be a little heavy.

Funny how that works.

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I can’t stand fat people. America is becoming full of them. They are fucking everywhere chugging their fast food and sweets. The Wal-Mart near my house is like a fatman freakshow around the junk food isle.

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[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
I think that it’s obvious that many who post on t nation look down their noses at fat people…UNLESS that fat person happens to be quite strong. At that point the fat person is not really a fat person at all. He’s a strong person who happens to be a little heavy.

Funny how that works.

I can’t stand fat people. America is becoming full of them. They are fucking everywhere chugging their fast food and sweets. The Wal-Mart near my house is like a fatman freakshow around the junk food isle.

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See, this I’ll aqree with you on. America definitely has an obesity problem. And we need to do something about it, as it has now moved to not just adults being fat, but their kids as well.

I however, will continue to finish every workout with B & B (Beers and Big Macs), in hopes that I will one day weigh 350 and will set more world records…

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[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
Julius_Caesar wrote:

Why is everyone so hung up on 1000 pounds anyway? Half of these fatsos can’t even do a triple bodyweight deadlift because their bodyweight is so high.

Because nobody gives a crap about your relative strength. Nobody ever said “I want a triple bodyweight bench when I grow up,” when they were a kid/teenager. They said “I want to bench 300” or 400 or 500 or whatever objective number they thought qualified as “really frigging strong.”

Bodyweight ratios were created to make weak people feel less weak and give them a “reason” as to why they’re not strong. 'Oh, well, that guy outweighs me, so no wonder he outbenches/squats/whatevers me." No, the reason he outlifts you is because he’s stronger than you are. If you have to put on 50 lbs of bodyweight to add 5 lbs onto your lift YOU GOT STRONGER.

What a joke… So some fat slob Bubba type in a commercial gym who heaves 315 off of his fat stomach is “just as strong” as a lightweight elite powerlifter who benches 315 but weighs 150-200 pounds less than him? That is an asinine mentality. To me I am more impressed by bodyweight percentages. [/quote]

no, that’s why we measure things with weight, so that it’s an OBJECTIVE comparison, and not a SUBJECTIVE comparison. Otherwise you need to qualify your statements with a ridiculous number of variables - different limb lengths provide an advantage or disadvantage as does training age, chronological age, androgen usage, etc etc etc.

Fine, lets say that a LW PLer benching 315 is stronger than a HW powerlifter benching 315. Does that mean that a Junior PLer benching 315 is weaker than a Masters PLer benching 315? Now THAT is an asinine mentality.

I couldnt care less what impresses you more. You have continually shown, time after time on this board that you are not interested in strength, just in qualifying things and starting fights

[quote]This is not to mention that promoting morbid obesity is not a good thing. It’s the reason why whenever I discuss powerlifting as a gym people always say that they don’t want to get into it because they “don’t want to get fat.” Lots of olympic lifters are even more of fatsos.
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Maybe this is your problem: why the hell are you discussing stuff at the gym? STFU and lift

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[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
I think that it’s obvious that many who post on t nation look down their noses at fat people…UNLESS that fat person happens to be quite strong. At that point the fat person is not really a fat person at all. He’s a strong person who happens to be a little heavy.

Funny how that works.

I can’t stand fat people. America is becoming full of them. They are fucking everywhere chugging their fast food and sweets. The Wal-Mart near my house is like a fatman freakshow around the junk food isle.

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What exactly was the point of this thread?

It seems like it was just an excuse for you to vent your rage about fat people.

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Yes, it is quite confusing when a person comes on and asks what’s with all these powerlifters dying young, then says I hate fat people.

The first question is definitely an idea to consider if someone is thinking about going into powerlifting, the second is something he could’ve said in the get a life topic. Not all powerlifters are fat Jesse was FAR from fat, but was very much heavy.

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:

no, that’s why we measure things with weight, so that it’s an OBJECTIVE comparison, and not a SUBJECTIVE comparison. Otherwise you need to qualify your statements with a ridiculous number of variables - different limb lengths provide an advantage or disadvantage as does training age, chronological age, androgen usage, etc etc etc.

Fine, lets say that a LW PLer benching 315 is stronger than a HW powerlifter benching 315. Does that mean that a Junior PLer benching 315 is weaker than a Masters PLer benching 315? Now THAT is an asinine mentality.

I couldnt care less what impresses you more. You have continually shown, time after time on this board that you are not interested in strength, just in qualifying things and starting fights

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I never said that there weren’t any other variables to consider.
Obviously there are other factors like gear, chemical assistance, age,etc. I was just figuring that people would have half of a brain and figure out that if these things were equal,if a guy weighs 100-150 pounds less than you do and benches the same thing as you do then he is stronger, pound for pound in that lift than you are.

[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Maybe this is your problem: why the hell are you discussing stuff at the gym? STFU and lift[/quote]

Because I used to work at one… Do you have a problem with me socializing with people?

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[quote]BigBen72 wrote:

What exactly was the point of this thread?

It seems like it was just an excuse for you to vent your rage about fat people.

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Actually it was just to start an open discussion about it which regrettably was sidetracked by my own angry rant about fat people…

And yes you are right, Marunde was not fat; but he did weigh alot.

I wonder if perhaps the human heart is taxed by extra mass too?
Just a question…

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Like it or not, being significantly overweight, whether it’s fat or muscle, causes the heart to have to work a whole lot harder. Add that in with copious amounts of calorically dense, artery-clogging food and regimens of steroids, HGH, etc., and you have a walking heart attack. Why is this at all surprising?

I don’t know where people get the idea that a 300 lb man who can lift a ton of weight is somehow “healthy” – unless you define “healthy” as “able to lift a lot of weight.” Argue about whether a guy is a fat slob or not all you want. The bottom line is that these guys are shaving years off of their lives.

Worth it? To some. Consider the study a few years back where Olympic athletes were asked whether they would take a drug that would guarantee that they’d win all their events but kill them in five years, and a substantial number said yes. The spirit of Achilles lives…

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:
If you have to put on 50 lbs of bodyweight to add 5 lbs onto your lift YOU GOT STRONGER.
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I’m sorry than you did not get stronger. So yould potentially sacrifice 50 lbs of weight (not necessarily muscle) just to say you got stronger by 5 lbs? That is the saddest thing I’ve seen written. And yes, I’m a powerlifter. I

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[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:

Point is that tripling your bodyweight does not make you sniff at quadrupling or even quintupling it… Guys like Coan or Erwin Gainer did both and didn’t look like the Lord of the Donut Rings while doing it either…

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Agreed. guys like that and Palmer, etc. who total 10X plus bw at a lighter weight to me are far more impressive than some 400 lb guy benching a grand with an 8 ply bench shirt.

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I wonder if I would give up longevity to live life to its fullest.

Jon Pall did, knowing his hereditary heart problems, he looks like he had a hell of a time.

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The idea will be unpopular but true.

Steroids are a big part of the equation. Use if you want, support their use and push for legality but don’t be stupid.

When used as they are in body building they cause all sorts of complications.

Diet, body fat (due to a lack of cardio and a shitty “bulk” diet) and other issues play a role too, but lets not be intentionally naive.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
Oh, so regular people who eat in “cheat meal” style every fuckin day and live to be 90, they must have magical powers.

I know, I know, none of these guys ever did drugs or anything, cause all these 30yo guys who are in otherwise good shape and just drop dead obviously die because they ate two pizza “pies.” Oy fucking vay.

I don’t know anybody who eats 2 pizza pies every day and lives to be 90. So if you do maybe they do have magical powers or they just live in your incredibly simple magical world.

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I doubt any one today at the age of 90 had pizza or any fast food readily accessible as we do now for the first half of their lives anyways.

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Who knows what happened to Jesse, I for one am waiting for the autoposy (SP?) report. I hope for everyone that he was clean.

I personally think it’s a combination of things. The human body was not meant to weigh 300lbs, let alone 380lbs.

Combine that much body weight with extreme exercise, possible lack of poor diet, and abuse of AAS, it spells disaster. AAS IMO are a major part of any elite level sport, just take a look at how fast some of the younger strongmen have put weight on. There is responsible use, and abuse. Abuse and poor diet will kill ya.

Monopoly

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[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
Who knows what happened to Jesse, I for one am waiting for the autoposy (SP?) report. I hope for everyone that he was clean.

I personally think it’s a combination of things. The human body was not meant to weigh 300lbs, let alone 380lbs.

Combine that much body weight with extreme exercise, possible lack of poor diet, and abuse of AAS, it spells disaster. AAS IMO are a major part of any elite level sport, just take a look at how fast some of the younger strongmen have put weight on. There is responsible use, and abuse. Abuse and poor diet will kill ya.

Monopoly[/quote]

HOpe he was clean?
You know before coming to this site I MAY have thought that possible. After reading all the forums on steriods though, I have to ask are you kidding me?

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[quote]greekdawg wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
If you have to put on 50 lbs of bodyweight to add 5 lbs onto your lift YOU GOT STRONGER.

I’m sorry than you did not get stronger. So yould potentially sacrifice 50 lbs of weight (not necessarily muscle) just to say you got stronger by 5 lbs? That is the saddest thing I’ve seen written. And yes, I’m a powerlifter. I

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This is an honest question: if adding 5 lbs to a lift doesnt qualify you as having gotten stronger, do you have a definition of “getting stronger” that does not involve bodyweight ratios? I’d use myself as an example: I benched 320 at a bw around 185-190, and 360@230. The weight gain just came from lifting over the years, not as a concentrated effort to up my bench. My ratio was better at 190, but I dont see how you can say that a 40 lb increase in an exercise isnt a gain in strength simply because there was 40lb gain in bw