[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Russians
This is might be the best thing I have ever seen. I was crying with laughter. It’s like a Monty Python sketch or something, with everyone always ending up back in the water.
[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Russians
This is might be the best thing I have ever seen. I was crying with laughter. It’s like a Monty Python sketch or something, with everyone always ending up back in the water. [/quote]
A) That chick at :40 would fucking get it.
B) What would youtube be without russians?
Ye, not only is the fight funny as hell, the chick in the video laughing along is a cutie.
I always reckon Russians are hard as fuck, but youtube is starting to educate me otherwise.
Skelac you mad Russian! You and your homeboys have broken the internet with these videos. That aquarium fight had me in stitches. I think there were three separate groups battling it out to stay dry there.
And yeah, hottie at :40… Da.
EDIT: there goes this thread down the rabbit hole though, lol. Let’s get more Russian fight videos up in the hizzle.
[quote]Pigeonkak wrote:
Skelac you mad Russian! You and your homeboys have broken the internet with these videos. That aquarium fight had me in stitches. I think there were three separate groups battling it out to stay dry there.
And yeah, hottie at :40… Da.
EDIT: there goes this thread down the rabbit hole though, lol. Let’s get more Russian fight videos up in the hizzle.[/quote]
Sorry to dissapoint you,my friend,but I am Croatian,not Russian! And we prefer different kind of fights! ;))
This thread is so hilarious, I swear I peed my pants watching all these great street fight videos.
There seems to be a general lack of skill though. Really skilled people either don’t get into fights, or when they do there is no camera on sight…
I’d be interested how all of these morons would do against somebody with a law enforcement backgrund like the instructor in this video
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e3a_1364142343
The behavior in most of these street fight videos is always the same:
A bunch of lunatics start with eye starring, spreading their arms and go face to face.
My dear how stupid is that? Walking without guard straight in an oponents range while looking him in the eyes and not focusing on his silhouette or the guys arround.
The guy in the first video obviously watched some UFC, got taught a couple of techniques by his BJJ practicing cousin and felt like a badass rolling arround on the ground with this fat, drunk and sweaty jackass. His intention was clearly to show off his so called “skills”. None of that shit would have worked if the other guy was not drunk like a fish.
Another goodie from russia
Watch how the criminal receives a jumpkick in his face at 0:50
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Russians
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Haha all that’s missing from this one is the Benny Hill music.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
This is an absolute classic. I got ALL the other videos in this thread beat right here.
The first time i saw this i couldnt even make it through the whole thing. The back and forth banter between these two martial artists is great.
Call me crazy, but i think i might be able to take these guys…[/quote]
Hahaha oh wow! There’s just so much quality there; from the pillsbury mount and clavicle tat (wonder if there’s a hardcore quote there) to the epic trash talk (x10 points for American History X reference; “Now say good night!” weak slap).
Thanks!
[quote]Khaine wrote:
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Russians
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Haha all that’s missing from this one is the Benny Hill music.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
This is an absolute classic. I got ALL the other videos in this thread beat right here.
The first time i saw this i couldnt even make it through the whole thing. The back and forth banter between these two martial artists is great.
Call me crazy, but i think i might be able to take these guys…[/quote]
Hahaha oh wow! There’s just so much quality there; from the pillsbury mount and clavicle tat (wonder if there’s a hardcore quote there) to the epic trash talk (x10 points for American History X reference; “Now say good night!” weak slap).
Thanks![/quote]
If the fight didnt go on so long, i would swear that these kids are one of the greatest comedy duos of all time. The whole premise of them fighting over a stolen bong, the beginning 30 seconds of the 2 of them just swinging at air, and all the “fuck you ngga!" "Nah fuck you ngga!”
Its just too much.
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Anyway,you choke them out by pressing on the whole of neck thereby cutting blood circulation to the brain.The brain without oxygen blacks out in a matter of seconds.
Its not pressing on some points on the neck,its by compressing the whole of neck.
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Yes, the goal is to get that V of your arm under their chin so you are putting pressure on the carotid arteries. It usually takes about 8-10 seconds for your opponent to completely pass out. Good jits guys will keep their chin in tight in the rear naked position on the ground and hand fight with you so you can’t get that choke or if you extend to far out with your chocking arm they can pull your arm down at the elbow and break that sucker.
[quote]MWP wrote:
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Anyway,you choke them out by pressing on the whole of neck thereby cutting blood circulation to the brain.The brain without oxygen blacks out in a matter of seconds.
Its not pressing on some points on the neck,its by compressing the whole of neck.
[/quote]
Yes, the goal is to get that V of your arm under their chin so you are putting pressure on the carotid arteries. It usually takes about 8-10 seconds for your opponent to completely pass out. Good jits guys will keep their chin in tight in the rear naked position on the ground and hand fight with you so you can’t get that choke or if you extend to far out with your chocking arm they can pull your arm down at the elbow and break that sucker. [/quote]
The fastest and best way to force the tap with that choke is to pretend like you’re trying to pop the head off a daisy. Your elbow should be pressing down under their chin while at the same time, tilting the back of your opponents head up. Even if you dont get the blood choke, its extremely uncomfortable and will almost certainly force the tap.
Just another little tidbit to add.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]MWP wrote:
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Anyway,you choke them out by pressing on the whole of neck thereby cutting blood circulation to the brain.The brain without oxygen blacks out in a matter of seconds.
Its not pressing on some points on the neck,its by compressing the whole of neck.
[/quote]
Yes, the goal is to get that V of your arm under their chin so you are putting pressure on the carotid arteries. It usually takes about 8-10 seconds for your opponent to completely pass out. Good jits guys will keep their chin in tight in the rear naked position on the ground and hand fight with you so you can’t get that choke or if you extend to far out with your chocking arm they can pull your arm down at the elbow and break that sucker. [/quote]
The fastest and best way to force the tap with that choke is to pretend like you’re trying to pop the head off a daisy. Your elbow should be pressing down under their chin while at the same time, tilting the back of your opponents head up. Even if you dont get the blood choke, its extremely uncomfortable and will almost certainly force the tap.
Just another little tidbit to add. [/quote]
Of course, in proper real life application, I would submit that you are looking to render the guy SAFELY unconscious as opposed to forcing the tap.
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]MWP wrote:
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Anyway,you choke them out by pressing on the whole of neck thereby cutting blood circulation to the brain.The brain without oxygen blacks out in a matter of seconds.
Its not pressing on some points on the neck,its by compressing the whole of neck.
[/quote]
Yes, the goal is to get that V of your arm under their chin so you are putting pressure on the carotid arteries. It usually takes about 8-10 seconds for your opponent to completely pass out. Good jits guys will keep their chin in tight in the rear naked position on the ground and hand fight with you so you can’t get that choke or if you extend to far out with your chocking arm they can pull your arm down at the elbow and break that sucker. [/quote]
The fastest and best way to force the tap with that choke is to pretend like you’re trying to pop the head off a daisy. Your elbow should be pressing down under their chin while at the same time, tilting the back of your opponents head up. Even if you dont get the blood choke, its extremely uncomfortable and will almost certainly force the tap.
Just another little tidbit to add. [/quote]
Of course, in proper real life application, I would submit that you are looking to render the guy SAFELY unconscious as opposed to forcing the tap. [/quote]
The fastest way to get a guy to tap is usually the fastest way to get him to stop resisting, whether you’re looking for the tap or not.
Im not worried about his safety in most circumstances. Im worried about mine.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]MWP wrote:
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Anyway,you choke them out by pressing on the whole of neck thereby cutting blood circulation to the brain.The brain without oxygen blacks out in a matter of seconds.
Its not pressing on some points on the neck,its by compressing the whole of neck.
[/quote]
Yes, the goal is to get that V of your arm under their chin so you are putting pressure on the carotid arteries. It usually takes about 8-10 seconds for your opponent to completely pass out. Good jits guys will keep their chin in tight in the rear naked position on the ground and hand fight with you so you can’t get that choke or if you extend to far out with your chocking arm they can pull your arm down at the elbow and break that sucker. [/quote]
The fastest and best way to force the tap with that choke is to pretend like you’re trying to pop the head off a daisy. Your elbow should be pressing down under their chin while at the same time, tilting the back of your opponents head up. Even if you dont get the blood choke, its extremely uncomfortable and will almost certainly force the tap.
Just another little tidbit to add. [/quote]
Of course, in proper real life application, I would submit that you are looking to render the guy SAFELY unconscious as opposed to forcing the tap. [/quote]
The fastest way to get a guy to tap is usually the fastest way to get him to stop resisting, whether you’re looking for the tap or not.
Im not worried about his safety in most circumstances. Im worried about mine. [/quote]
I don’t disagree overall, but in practical application LNR/RNC is usually most effective something a third party does as a planned event (i.e. a guy is being violent toward somebody else and a bouncer/security guy/cop takes the hold from behind to subdue the guy, as in the video) as opposed to something you do spontaneously to protect yourself from someone who is coming at you. If you end up doing permanent damage by cranking an improperly applied choke or failing to get someone safely to ground once they go out, it could have very negative consequences for you, especially if you weren’t really in danger yourself to begin with.
I also suggest that if you try to grab me around the neck on the street, it is in your best interest to render me unconscious as this exchange has just escalated to “we are now trying to kill each other” and from my perspective tapping or stopping resisting is the furthest thing from my mind. I am more on board with a tuck my chin/hunch my shoulders before you can get it sunk in then access a real or improvised weapon if possible and do whatever is necessary to make you lose interest in cuddling with me so I can do you some serious harm approach at this stage.
Conversely, where I live, if I am justified in applying an RNC/LNR to somebody else, I am justified in rendering the guy unconscious and will be doing so regardless of whether he taps/stops resisting, but I’m damn sure gonna make sure I’ve got it on him properly and I get him safely to the ground so I don’t catch a charge for negligent homicide when he goes all rubbery and bounces his head off the pavement or shifts in such a way that I am applying pressure to the trachea as opposed to the carotid.
I’m not meaning to be deliberately argumentative, but that’s my training on the subject.
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[quote]batman730 wrote:
I also suggest that if you try to grab me around the neck on the street, it is in your best interest to render me unconscious as this exchange has just escalated to “we are now trying to kill each other” and from my perspective tapping or stopping resisting is the furthest thing from my mind. [/quote]
Agree 100%. You go for a RNC in a street fight and your goal better be to render your opponent lights out because most people will react the way you would, as in kill or be killed. However, I personally would not go for it unless I had a clear path to an opponents back if the altercation went to the ground. My ultimate goal even though I love my jits is to get back to my feet ASAP. From standing, I think you only pull this off if you can get this choke by surprise like in the video.
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]MWP wrote:
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Anyway,you choke them out by pressing on the whole of neck thereby cutting blood circulation to the brain.The brain without oxygen blacks out in a matter of seconds.
Its not pressing on some points on the neck,its by compressing the whole of neck.
[/quote]
Yes, the goal is to get that V of your arm under their chin so you are putting pressure on the carotid arteries. It usually takes about 8-10 seconds for your opponent to completely pass out. Good jits guys will keep their chin in tight in the rear naked position on the ground and hand fight with you so you can’t get that choke or if you extend to far out with your chocking arm they can pull your arm down at the elbow and break that sucker. [/quote]
The fastest and best way to force the tap with that choke is to pretend like you’re trying to pop the head off a daisy. Your elbow should be pressing down under their chin while at the same time, tilting the back of your opponents head up. Even if you dont get the blood choke, its extremely uncomfortable and will almost certainly force the tap.
Just another little tidbit to add. [/quote]
Of course, in proper real life application, I would submit that you are looking to render the guy SAFELY unconscious as opposed to forcing the tap. [/quote]
The fastest way to get a guy to tap is usually the fastest way to get him to stop resisting, whether you’re looking for the tap or not.
Im not worried about his safety in most circumstances. Im worried about mine. [/quote]
I don’t disagree overall, but in practical application LNR/RNC is usually most effective something a third party does as a planned event (i.e. a guy is being violent toward somebody else and a bouncer/security guy/cop takes the hold from behind to subdue the guy, as in the video) as opposed to something you do spontaneously to protect yourself from someone who is coming at you. If you end up doing permanent damage by cranking an improperly applied choke or failing to get someone safely to ground once they go out, it could have very negative consequences for you, especially if you weren’t really in danger yourself to begin with.
I also suggest that if you try to grab me around the neck on the street, it is in your best interest to render me unconscious as this exchange has just escalated to “we are now trying to kill each other” and from my perspective tapping or stopping resisting is the furthest thing from my mind. I am more on board with a tuck my chin/hunch my shoulders before you can get it sunk in then access a real or improvised weapon if possible and do whatever is necessary to make you lose interest in cuddling with me so I can do you some serious harm approach at this stage.
Conversely, where I live, if I am justified in applying an RNC/LNR to somebody else, I am justified in rendering the guy unconscious and will be doing so regardless of whether he taps/stops resisting, but I’m damn sure gonna make sure I’ve got it on him properly and I get him safely to the ground so I don’t catch a charge for negligent homicide when he goes all rubbery and bounces his head off the pavement or shifts in such a way that I am applying pressure to the trachea as opposed to the carotid.
I’m not meaning to be deliberately argumentative, but that’s my training on the subject.
Edited[/quote]
I dont disagree with you. If you are talking only about a street-fight scenario, then rendering a guy unconscious is the main goal of applying an RNC, unless you are just trying to use the RNC to maneuver him into a position where you can subdue without having to knock him out (security or something)
Im gonna try to make that guys experience as uncomfortable as possible, and when you apply that kind of pressure (as i mentioned in my previous post) its going to be even more difficult to defend the choke or break free of it. And in my opinion it definitely does make the choke work faster.
Hard to say as ive never choked a person unconscious with an RNC, but i know in grappling sessions that once i learned to try and “pop their head off” like that when applying the choke, taps came a lot quicker. If you have the choke, that sort of motion forces your arm deeper under their chin and stretches their neck out. While it does cause a lot of discomfort, it also helps to sink the choke in deeper.
Again, if im in a street fight where i really need to knock someone out or i could be harmed, im not gonna pause to think about whether they might suffer additional injuries due to the way i apply something. Everything you do, especially when it comes to fighting, can have negative consequences, whether it was your intention or not, whether you’re right or wrong. I’d rather risk going to prison in one piece than have my family start planning my funeral.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
its going to be even more difficult to defend the choke or break free of it. And in my opinion it definitely does make the choke work faster.
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Yep. If you can get it sunk in deep from a true back position with your hooks in place, your opponent is going to have a hard time, more like impossible time, defending because he has no way to use his hands to defend with you behind him. I actually had a guy pass out when I first started out in BJJ. Got my arm in place and really sunk it in deep. The guy didn’t tap, he just tried to pry my arm off. He was out like a block of ice in about 8 seconds. It kinda freaked me out and now when I sink it in I will usually let it go in training even before my partner taps. You can also really make their like uncomfortable without getting your arm under their chin. I have seen the arm go across the TMG and also nose and work wonders. The only downside to that is some nutcase might bite you in a real world situation.
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Hard to say as ive never choked a person unconscious with an RNC, but i know in grappling sessions that once i learned to try and “pop their head off” like that when applying the choke, taps came a lot quicker. If you have the choke, that sort of motion forces your arm deeper under their chin and stretches their neck out. While it does cause a lot of discomfort, it also helps to sink the choke in deeper. [/quote]
You’re a big guy; try lifting the guy up off the ground sometime (assuming it’s a standing RNC). Dude will likely forget to tap and just freak out; the pressure in that position is just ridiculous.
One of the great things about blood chokes (like the RNC) is that if they are on correctly, they will produce a calming/subduing effect on the chokee. In other words as their brain loses the ability to remove excessive CO2 (which is actually the cause of unconsciousness) and receive new O2 from the blood stream, the body will begin to pass out, thus lessening and eventually halting all resistance/struggle by the subject being choked.
This is in very stark contrast to what happens if you apply a bar/windpipe choke in a real situation. Sure, in training you will get a quick tap with such a choke as the opponent/training partner realized that they can make the pressure stop by doing do. In a real fight though, you are going to get pretty much the absolute maximal resistance/fight that the opponent can produce, because they will literally be fighting for their lives (at least in their mind). This probably means that they’ll be slamming you into walls, furniture, the ground, etc… as hard and ferociously as possible in an attempt to save their own lives.
It is possible of course to use a bar choke as a “kill choke”, and simply crush the windpipe right off the bat, but you had better be justified in doing so, and you may still be in for one hell of a last hoorah until the individual passes out and dies from the lack of air flow.
In regards to using the RNC in different contexts,
-if it’s from the back and I can sneak up on someone, the choke is coming on FAST. We’ll sometimes do speed drills to practice slapping the RNC on as fast as possible (while maintaining as close to perfect technique as possible of course). My right arm choke is slightly faster than my left (as I’m a righty) and I can go from not having it on at all to sunk all the way and eliciting a tap in a fraction of a second. We also practice having the opponent tucking their chin/shrugging their shoulders and extensions and combinations off of that. So, unless you are truly a super high level grappler and/or a gorilla, I’m pretty confident that if I surprise you from behind with this choke, you’re going to sleep fast. And in my experience, if the choke is on right and tight, it only takes around 3-5 seconds to go unconscious with an unobstructed choke like a RNC, and maybe closer to 6-8 seconds with an obstructed choke (like a drace). Maybe MWP meant from the time you start to put on the choke, till you’ve got full control, and fully apply pressure with the choke and put them out takes 8-10 seconds, which I could see.
From the front we also practice spinning opponents into the RNC. While this takes a little longer to sink the choke in, it’s still a pretty high percentage and quick way to apply the RNC on someone. This would probably be my favorite method of subduing someone who I don’t really want to injure, but I need to neutralize. Obviously works best with the whole “tough guise/monkey dance/Merry Christmas” posture (hands down and out to sides, chin up in the air, square torso, no controlling of distance whatsoever, in fact walking right into the “kill zone” with no thought of defensive measures).
[quote]MWP wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
its going to be even more difficult to defend the choke or break free of it. And in my opinion it definitely does make the choke work faster.
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Yep. If you can get it sunk in deep from a true back position with your hooks in place, your opponent is going to have a hard time, more like impossible time, defending because he has no way to use his hands to defend with you behind him. I actually had a guy pass out when I first started out in BJJ. Got my arm in place and really sunk it in deep. The guy didn’t tap, he just tried to pry my arm off. He was out like a block of ice in about 8 seconds. It kinda freaked me out and now when I sink it in I will usually let it go in training even before my partner taps. You can also really make their like uncomfortable without getting your arm under their chin. I have seen the arm go across the TMG and also nose and work wonders. The only downside to that is some nutcase might bite you in a real world situation. [/quote]
Biting from either position is pretty much impossible, believe me, we training biting quite a bit. Even in someone does try to bite your arm, it’s pretty easy to stop if you know how, unless they are really skilled at biting, in which case there are other options once you abort the RNC.