Street Fight Critique Thread

Training
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[quote]magick wrote:
It’s a difficult choke. All chokes are difficult because you need to actually apply pressure onto the right places, and people who aren’t experienced will generally fail at it. Plus you need to apply just the right amount of pressure unless you want to cause lasting damage. That’s why I’m so impressed by that bouncer. He did it effortlessly, and the guy went down in seconds like he’s supposed to.

SKELAC- Is that you? In any case, a great block![/quote]

I dont know,man.I remember somewhere around year 2000./01.I used to spar and hit the pads with two friends.One was a fellow bouncer and other was into martial arts.After we finished training,we were discussing Minotaur Nogueira fights and techniques as he was champion at that time.So we were discussing traigle choke and stuff and started to experiment with those.In the next 10 minutes,we choked each other out several times.It was painless but weird.You wake up confused several seconds later.
Anyway,some months later,working the door,I tried restraining an aggressive drunk.Drunk people have beer balls and alcohol gives them great pain tolerance.So you can beat the into a bloody pulp and they would still go at you.Better option it seemed was to choke them out.So I got the guy in a choke,squeezed hard and he went to sleep.
Of course,there is risk involved and thans to God,everybody I choked out,woke up.
Some people I was dragging out with their head in a choke under my armpit and because of their struggle,I choked them out unintentionaly in the process.
Anyway,you choke them out by pressing on the whole of neck thereby cutting blood circulation to the brain.The brain without oxygen blacks out in a matter of seconds.
Its not pressing on some points on the neck,its by compressing the whole of neck.

Yes,it me on the door in a disco bar on the Spanish resort just north of Barcelona called Lloret del Mar.Great times! Bouncing in the night,on the beach in the day,tons of cheap drinks and easy girls! Cake & cream life,my friend! ;))

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:

[quote]SKELAC wrote:

[quote]rundymc wrote:

[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Blood choke out 1:40

Ah refreshing, finally a legitimate application for BJJ/grappling.[/quote]

I dont have any training in BJJ,but working the doors I did the same many times- its called blood choke in the bouncers circle and its a bread and butter of the profession.To tell you the truth,there is not much to it-once you get hold of the man and slip your forearm under his chin its game over.If they are aggressive,you choke them out.Once they come around,they are confused,scared and have no intent to fight.Anybody can do it.

Working the door,its much harder to handle someone trying to hit you or cut you with a bottle or glass.The its all out attack with anything you can get your hands on.[/quote]

Agreed. The bouncer did handle that very effectively. That said, I saw a guy get put in one of those headlocks from behind and he managed to move sidewys, grab the bouncer’s leg, and fall over on top of the bouncer onto the edge of the pavement. The kid got up and one of his mates stamped on the bouncer’s head before one of the other security lads came and laid him out. It’s obviously an effective technique against average joe, but as you say, someone going all out to glass you or smash your head in needs to be met with equivalent force. [/quote]

If the attacker was able to do that, then the bouncer did not position their body correctly and falling back back should have either wound up in the bouncer’s rear guard (which would have wound up with the attacker getting choked out just the same), or the bouncer wind up on top in rear mount (which is even worse).

Believe me when I say that someone who trains this stuff seriously and with a goal of real world use age will be prepared for pretty much any type of flailing or “primal” defensive tactics that someone might do against it.

-try to reach back and grab my leg? You won’t be able to because of the way that I will be positioning them.

-try to push me back over? You won’t be able to because I’ll have set up a “brace leg”, or just simply move backwards with you (if there is a wall or obstacle that prevents me from doing so I’ll use that for base).

-try to teach back and grab my genitals? You won’t be able to because my hips will be glued to your body and there won’t be any space for you to get to my genitals.

-try to reach up and gouge my eyes or claw my face? You won’t be able to because I’ll be putting downward pressure on your shoulders as well as keeping my head tucked into my arms (this also renders striking ineffective).

-try to reach up and peel or crank fingers? You won’t be able to because one of my hands will be down behind your neck and the other will be tucked into the bend in the opposite elbow.

-try to tuck your chin? Go right ahead. I’ll just attack your eyes and force you (through involuntary flinch response) to lift it so I can sink in the choke. Of course, I could always just jaw crush, face crush, or eye crush you if I wanted but those are more pain compliance maneuvers than true fight enders. If we are talking serious I could always just pull my arm out (raking across it with my fingers/fingernails in the process) while stabilizing your head/shoulders with the opposite hand/arm and blast you with some forearms to the occipital area and maybe a knee to the spine or kidneys and then make distance as well.

Really the only thing that you’re going to be able to do (unless you are very highly trained and can recognize the choke coming from very early (and even then it’s going to be tough and a fight) is to access a weapon (like a boot/pocket knife, firearm, Kubuton if you really know what you’re doing with it, or something else that is going to give you either serious life threatening damage capabilities, or immediate pain compliance properties) and use that. But you had better act quickly and decisively because you’ve only got a couple of seconds before you’re going unconscious.[/quote]

You are right.Once in a position and in control of the neck,if you just push your chest out,it would stretch his back and you have total control.

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2 men form my crew fighting 20 men

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From Russia with love :))

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Skelac you are the most bad ass dude on the planet.

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Biker vs. frat boys

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[quote]Ranzo wrote:
Skelac you are the most bad ass dude on the planet.[/quote]

I wish I were the most bad ass dude on my block,but there are some brutes that make me seem like Mickey Mouse! ;))

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Biker vs. skater

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I hate watching some of these street fights dude, this shit is so gay. I feel embarrassed for most of these guys, win or lose.

How is it possible to be as bad at fighting as some of these guys are?

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
I hate watching some of these street fights dude, this shit is so gay. I feel embarrassed for most of these guys, win or lose.

How is it possible to be as bad at fighting as some of these guys are?[/quote]

Yeah,I understand what you are saying.Its called fighting although basics of fighting are absent-destructive intent,skills,athleticism.

I always assumed that you get into fight to hurt,beat,destroy a man in front of you,but most of these so called fights looks like cross between hysterical nervous break down and epileptic attack.

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[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Biker vs. skater

I swear noone outside of the internet takes their shirt off before they fight. I swear, if anyone did that in real life they’d just get knocked the fuck out with their shirt over their head.

In the other video, that big tough biker was fucking lucky to still be conscious. NEVER start shit and then turn your back on it. What a fucking moron. Then when he was on the floor, if one of those kids had got to stamping rather than trying to punch him, his skull would have been spread all over the pavement. He’s also lucky the bystanders didn’t join in and put a real beating on him.

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[quote]SKELAC wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
I hate watching some of these street fights dude, this shit is so gay. I feel embarrassed for most of these guys, win or lose.

How is it possible to be as bad at fighting as some of these guys are?[/quote]

Yeah,I understand what you are saying.Its called fighting although basics of fighting are absent-destructive intent,skills,athleticism.

I always assumed that you get into fight to hurt,beat,destroy a man in front of you,but most of these so called fights looks like cross between hysterical nervous break down and epileptic attack.[/quote]

I trained MMA for 5 years, im a pretty big guy, and i was a bouncer for a while too. When it comes to fighting, you’re either A) trying to fucking wreck somebody or B) Trying to neutralize the situation as fast as possible. All these guys bouncing around on their toes and shit when they obviously dont know what they’re doing, and the lack of balance and athleticism you see in these videos is incredible.

Im not the worlds best fighter or the toughest dude on the block, but i honestly feel like if i had to bounce/fight one of the guys in these videos, it’d be like picking on a child.

That fucking fat guy in the mcdonalds or whatever? Holy shit i cant believe that guy is willing to challenge ANYBODY, he was so pathetic, he’s lucky he didnt take a ride in an ambulane. My god

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[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:

[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Biker vs. skater

I swear noone outside of the internet takes their shirt off before they fight. I swear, if anyone did that in real life they’d just get knocked the fuck out with their shirt over their head.

In the other video, that big tough biker was fucking lucky to still be conscious. NEVER start shit and then turn your back on it. What a fucking moron. Then when he was on the floor, if one of those kids had got to stamping rather than trying to punch him, his skull would have been spread all over the pavement. He’s also lucky the bystanders didn’t join in and put a real beating on him. [/quote]

Yeah, you gotta know when the odds arent stacked in your favor. Either get a buddy, a weapon, or get outta there. Dont rush into a crowd, not paying attenion to anyone else but the guy in front of you, and think nothing bad’s gonna happen.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]SKELAC wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
I hate watching some of these street fights dude, this shit is so gay. I feel embarrassed for most of these guys, win or lose.

How is it possible to be as bad at fighting as some of these guys are?[/quote]

Yeah,I understand what you are saying.Its called fighting although basics of fighting are absent-destructive intent,skills,athleticism.

I always assumed that you get into fight to hurt,beat,destroy a man in front of you,but most of these so called fights looks like cross between hysterical nervous break down and epileptic attack.[/quote]

I trained MMA for 5 years, im a pretty big guy, and i was a bouncer for a while too. When it comes to fighting, you’re either A) trying to fucking wreck somebody or B) Trying to neutralize the situation as fast as possible. All these guys bouncing around on their toes and shit when they obviously dont know what they’re doing, and the lack of balance and athleticism you see in these videos is incredible.

Im not the worlds best fighter or the toughest dude on the block, but i honestly feel like if i had to bounce/fight one of the guys in these videos, it’d be like picking on a child.

That fucking fat guy in the mcdonalds or whatever? Holy shit i cant believe that guy is willing to challenge ANYBODY, he was so pathetic, he’s lucky he didnt take a ride in an ambulane. My god
[/quote]

Regarding the fat guy,I was thinking exactly the same thing.He yells at the stuff and then turns on the customer.The only explanation for his suicidal tendencies to yell,insult and attack random people while being fat and patheticaly weak,is the illusion that his size ( fat) would scare others.Its just ridicoulous.

I actually know some fat people who equal their bodyweight with fighting ability.Even if someone is 300 lb. and a great fighter,he still ranks low on survival chances,because ones in conflict with him,people will tend to outnumber him or pull a gun or knife.In that situation if you cannot outrun your attackers,game is over.

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[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:

[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Biker vs. skater

I swear noone outside of the internet takes their shirt off before they fight. I swear, if anyone did that in real life they’d just get knocked the fuck out with their shirt over their head.

In the other video, that big tough biker was fucking lucky to still be conscious. NEVER start shit and then turn your back on it. What a fucking moron. Then when he was on the floor, if one of those kids had got to stamping rather than trying to punch him, his skull would have been spread all over the pavement. He’s also lucky the bystanders didn’t join in and put a real beating on him. [/quote]

You know what’s stupid: I actually see people do this a fair bit IRL. It’s part of the whole monkey dance/social dominance thing where nobody’s quite ready to start throwing yet. The other guy usually waits patiently rocking from foot to foot. It looks ridiculous from an outside perspective.

Actually, removing/loosening of clothing is one of a number of recognized pre-assaultive signs that usually show up before someone, especially someone untrained (i.e. 90+% of the morons who actually get in street fights) actually initiates an attack. I remember watching a dashboard video where a very blue collar looking guy is talking to a cop after a traffic stop (no audio). At one point the guy takes off his ball cap and puts it on the hood of the cruiser. He then unbuttons his cuffs and collar, rolls up his sleeves and lastly, I kid you not, takes off his wristwatch and lays it carefully on the hood next to his hat. All the while the cop is looking on, presumably going through his traffic stop spiel as if nothing is amiss. The guy then proceeds to wind up and completely dummy the cop with a relatively decent haymaker (as haymakers go). He then calmly collects his belongings adjusts his clothing walks to his truck and drives away.

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That’s unbelievable. Mind you, if someone does that, as the other party you have no excuse not to walk away. I’m with Audiogarden and SKELAC, if I swung at any of these boys on a night out, I’d feel like a right bully, and I’d be ashamed at myself for not walking away from something that could only end up one sided. There are a lot of hard, bad lads out there, but this lot ain’t it.

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This is an absolute classic. I got ALL the other videos in this thread beat right here.

The first time i saw this i couldnt even make it through the whole thing. The back and forth banter between these two martial artists is great.

Call me crazy, but i think i might be able to take these guys…

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

This is an absolute classic. I got ALL the other videos in this thread beat right here.

The first time i saw this i couldnt even make it through the whole thing. The back and forth banter between these two martial artists is great.

Call me crazy, but i think i might be able to take these guys…[/quote]

Hahhahahaaha!!! Thanks for posting! It doesnt get better than this! :)))

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Russians

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Hahhahha!! Good one from Kenya