[quote]Ready-2-Learn wrote:
My last post on this thread is this:
If you believe buying illegally gotten drugs only harms the end-user then you are deluded.
It would appear that the majority (but not all) of the posters on this thread are as dumb as pigshit.[/quote]
Wow. Giving up because you’re out of arguments. I expected no less.
EDIT: I may as well add, every AAS source I have met only sells AAS. They either make the AAS themselves or have contacts at pharmaceutical companies.
[quote]Ready-2-Learn wrote:
My last post on this thread is this:
If you believe buying illegally gotten drugs only harms the end-user then you are deluded.
It would appear that the majority (but not all) of the posters on this thread are as dumb as pigshit.[/quote]
You just don’t know what you are talking about if you think it’s impossible to illegally purchase and use a drug without hurting anyone.
It would appear that you are a troll. What other possible reason could you be posting in a forum about illegal drugs?
[quote]Ready-2-Learn wrote:
905Patrick wrote:
Ready-2-Learn wrote:
Plus my purchasing of hGH is legal in the UK.
HGH isn’t legal in every country. Do you morals stand up given that it cannot be bought legally in some parts for the world?
Is your morality based on the laws of the land that you live in and if so, can you really say that you have any morality?
They aren’t based on the laws of the land. They are based on my principles.
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and the reason why you have principals to begin with is because you had people tell you what is right and what is wrong.
if you have never had a single person tell you that an act was taboo,then you would be like a child and not know any different.
your principals and the principals of an entire peoples are learned behavior and law is based on those principals and mindsets.
example in some countries it is against the law to eat beef.
it is because the people beleive that an act like that is taboo.
everything that is right or wrong is a matter of interpetation.
I personally dont care what drugs someone does. if you care about the person and you know the risks then you should show them the risks and allow them to make up thier own mind.
[quote]beebuddy wrote:
Ready-2-Learn wrote:
My last post on this thread is this:
If you believe buying illegally gotten drugs only harms the end-user then you are deluded.
It would appear that the majority (but not all) of the posters on this thread are as dumb as pigshit.
You just don’t know what you are talking about if you think it’s impossible to illegally purchase and use a drug without hurting anyone.
It would appear that you are a troll. What other possible reason could you be posting in a forum about illegal drugs?[/quote]
It’s possible. However drug use [at least of highly addictive drugs] by individuals still tends to destroy the lives of those around them. And the societal cost is great. Crime [organized and otherwise], broken families, deaths.
It’s extremely naive to think that there aren’t widespread systemic affects cause only individuals ingest the drugs. All the evidence shows otherwise. That doesn’t necessarily mean that strict prohibition is the answer. But the problem is very real. And societies that have taken the regulation route have continued to have problems. For example, England tried prescribing heroin but gave it up.
Until the mid 1960s, British physicians were allowed to prescribe heroin to certain classes of addicts. The British system didn’t work. Addiction levels rose, especially among teenagers, and many addicts chose to boycott the program and continued to get their heroin from pushers. Things got even worse when England began dispensing methadone at the clinics instead of heroin.
Even more addicts to depart in favor of the real thing. According to John Kaplan of Stanford University, the number of addicts increased fivefold. James Wilson’s research showed the British Government’s experiment with controlled heroin distribution resulted in, at a minimum, a 30fold increase in the number of addicts in ten years.
[quote]Ready-2-Learn wrote:
My last post on this thread is this:
If you believe buying illegally gotten drugs only harms the end-user then you are deluded.
It would appear that the majority (but not all) of the posters on this thread are as dumb as pigshit.[/quote]
And you’re a fucking little twat.
You did your best to hijack a very interesting thread to the other people here, who can argue points in a friendly manner and still have respect for each other. You’re just a fucking egomaniac in love with yourself.
Grow the fuck up, then shut the fuck up.
Dousche.
You won’t be able to pm me with your fucking nonsense anymore either, wahhh fucking wahhhhh…ha, haa…lmao.
[quote]beebuddy wrote:
Ready-2-Learn wrote:
Would you also like me to show you a place you can rape women without breaking the law?
Get a clue Rowesk.
I don’t know if anyone has pointed this out, but this statement is absolutely idiotic. Raping a woman harms her, using drugs harms nobody but the user which is even more true when that drug use is legal.
Ready-2-Learn muse be a troll to regard rape and illegal drug use as equally bad.[/quote]
Thanks beebuddy for pointing that out,
Troll sounds about right. He certainly impressed himself didn’t he? Too bad he didn’t impress anyone else with his love of self bullshit rhetoric.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
Ready-2-Learn wrote:
My last post on this thread is this:
If you believe buying illegally gotten drugs only harms the end-user then you are deluded.
It would appear that the majority (but not all) of the posters on this thread are as dumb as pigshit.
You just don’t know what you are talking about if you think it’s impossible to illegally purchase and use a drug without hurting anyone.
It would appear that you are a troll. What other possible reason could you be posting in a forum about illegal drugs?
It’s possible. However drug use [at least of highly addictive drugs] by individuals still tends to destroy the lives of those around them. And the societal cost is great. Crime [organized and otherwise], broken families, deaths.
It’s extremely naive to think that there aren’t widespread systemic affects cause only individuals ingest the drugs. All the evidence shows otherwise. That doesn’t necessarily mean that strict prohibition is the answer. But the problem is very real. And societies that have taken the regulation route have continued to have problems. For example, England tried prescribing heroin but gave it up.
Until the mid 1960s, British physicians were allowed to prescribe heroin to certain classes of addicts. The British system didn’t work. Addiction levels rose, especially among teenagers, and many addicts chose to boycott the program and continued to get their heroin from pushers. Things got even worse when England began dispensing methadone at the clinics instead of heroin.
Even more addicts to depart in favor of the real thing. According to John Kaplan of Stanford University, the number of addicts increased fivefold. James Wilson’s research showed the British Government’s experiment with controlled heroin distribution resulted in, at a minimum, a 30fold increase in the number of addicts in ten years.
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Sure, but nobody is saying that heroin isn’t bad. Of course it is bad.
[quote]Dave1188 wrote:
i have heard a few times about bodybuilders using cocaine as a stimulant in the gym and i suppose it makes sense but i have never tried it and dont plan too. I also cannot imagine drinking any type of alcohol during precontest, that must feel awful. I dont really have much experience to offer but i do smoke weed pretty much everyday. Usually before i workout and then later on in the night. It helps me focus in the gym as bad as that sounds.
Dont flame me for it, my friends dont understand how it does and neither do i but it is what it is. And as far as weed being bad for u, i dont buy in to that, especially since i use a vaporizer most of the time. anyway hope that helps and gl to your friend. [/quote]
I’m with you Dave, regarding weed. As far as other drugs go I’ve done coke on occasion but can’t imagine doing it pre-contest. As far alcohol goes, the night before the show, I take one shot of vodka every hour for the three hours before I go to sleep. I find it works better than diuretics for me.
-M
What a truly shameful story. IMO, a bodybuilder has no room for such actions regardless of who’s doing it or what are the alleged benefits from street drug usage.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
nichaaron wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Well you should tell your friend that amphetamine is a big ‘muscle eater’ and will cause a fair amount of muscle catabolism when he uses it. That should put him off. It’s true too, to the best of my knowledge.
Bushy
this is true but I dont think its because of the drug itself.
Its from the fact that you dont eat while on it and it speeds up your system to the point where you will eat away at the muscle.
its kind of the same concept of starvation diet with tons of added cardio.
If you can force yourself to eat high amounts of protien along with working out you will gain.
I have met alot of really big,strong tweakers in my day.
but still it is very addictive and it is bad for you.there are alot of mental side effects that are not worth the use of the drug.
along with weakening of the heart all that good stuff
ephedrine is the main ingredient in the process of making meth BTW (not that I know the whole recipe or anything)
and yes sadly enough I do have prior first hand experiance with both meth and pharm,grade adderall which is a mixture of 4 amphedamine salts. I have adult ADHD and that is what is given. never abused it but i was around that at one time a very very long time ago.
the morality of this is no different than you or I it is just a different drug.
I think education of said substance just like if a kid came in here wanting info on AAS.
it is not legal peoriod is it wrong? that itself is up to who interpets it.
There seems to be some confusion amongst US posters as to the difference (or lack thereof) between ‘speed’ (amphetamine) and ‘meth’ (methamphetamine).
They are NOT the same drug. Here in the UK, meth is still a rarity (thank god) and speed is much more common.
The effects are totally different from what I understand. A bit like the difference between cocaine and crack cocaine. Now I have never tried meth, but a good friend who has lots of drug experience did say once that he could get it for me. Now I am an experimentalist, but I declined his offer, once he told me what the effects and after effects are like.
I know from personal experience just how catabolic speed can be. And that was whilst eating (drinking actually, lol) regular protein and oat shakes, with copious amounts of BCAAs and antioxidants every 2-3 hours AND using a regular intake of GH.
Bushy[/quote]
my mistake… thank you for clearing that up.
I have taken adderall which is basicly what you are calling speed,correct?
if that is the case then yes there is a difference in effect. huge difference
yes in the states we still concider speed to be meth.
So I didn’t check this thread for a couple days and then I looked at the reply count. I said to myself, “Damn, there must be some good shit going on.”
And then I came here and read a fucked up temperance lecture from a fucked up individual.
What a fucked up waste of time that was…
World
[quote]beebuddy wrote:
Ready-2-Learn wrote:
Would you also like me to show you a place you can rape women without breaking the law?
Get a clue Rowesk.
I don’t know if anyone has pointed this out, but this statement is absolutely idiotic. Raping a woman harms her, using drugs harms nobody but the user which is even more true when that drug use is legal.
Ready-2-Learn muse be a troll to regard rape and illegal drug use as equally bad.[/quote]
Just to play devils advocate - drugs actually harm more than the individual - serious drug use actually wrecks families.
How would you feel if your wife, mother, sister would not stop shooting dope into her veins risking her life multiple times a day, stealing, lying, cheating. It ruins families, trust me.
I used to think the same as you for years during my use - until my wife became “ill”. pure hell i tell you.
Joe
[quote]Ready-2-Learn wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
Ready-2-Learn wrote:
Would you also like me to show you a place you can rape women without breaking the law?
Get a clue Rowesk.
I don’t know if anyone has pointed this out, but this statement is absolutely idiotic.
It may seem idiotic to an idiot like yourself.
I will explain it for you because it isn’t your fault you have extremely poor comprehension:
Rowesk thought that because it wasn’t possible to do legally, that you should be able to do it illegally.
I then compared this with someone wanting to perform another illegal act but without it being legal.
In other words there’s a reason it is illegal. (The reason may be self-inflicted by it’s own presence but nevertheless)
beebuddy wrote: using drugs harms nobody but the user which is even more true when that drug use is legal.
You are misinformed.
Anymore comments not to do with the original topic, shoot me a PM. Brainless people need not apply.
Any posted in the thread i will just ignore. Feel free to redistribute my answers with your cronies so you can all have a laugh at how ridiculous that guy is who thinks paying drug-dealers is wrong. Fun times!.. for morons.
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This is where you are mistaken and actually quite ignorant.
What is the reason that illegal drugs are illegal? Tell me.
Is it different to the destruction caused by alcohol, by oxy, by benzos, by cigarettes, by morphine, by hydromorphone?
Nope. Just alcohol alone ruins more lives and kills more people than heroin and cocaine put together!
What is the basis for your argument?
I’ll tell you, it is purely a selfish, uninformed argument against people using drugs - not a moral one, not a politically correct one, just a personal vendetta.
Did you lose a friend? A son? A wife? huh? did they become a junkie and OD? Did a dealer shoot your mum? what was it that made you so blindly angry, because it sure as hell wasnt simply a political, moral, ethical standpoint out of the good of your heart.
You are embarassing. i have as much reason to hate those drugs as anyone, i have lost EVERYTHING more times than i care to recall… not always at my own hand, yet i am still aware of the actual facts when it comes to illicit drugs and their use by people.
You polish your argument with a university educated cloth, but that is all. You have no substance to your argument other than the childish, desperate denial of admitting the fact you are making no real argument here other than “drugs are bad” no shit sherlock, but just getting people to stop taking them is like asking people to stop driving - and we have been doing drugs longer than we have been driving.
i didnt go to university, i was high. Looks like i didnt miss much. 
Joe
Putting any physically addictive substance in your body just seems like a bad idea to me. In terms of addiction, smoking sounds comparable to c, most people don’t get instantly hooked. They smoke when they drink, or only when they play cards, but then when their stressed, or before they go to work, or after a meal. With high availability and being legal smoking is easy to get hooked on.
I suppose c on the other hand messes you up when your on it, more like alcohol. So it would be harder to be not noticed coked out. I have never done anything harder then Pot/alcohol. and it seems like c would make you state of mind too altered for my taste. I really like who I am, and the way I perceive life, I would be afraid to change that.
[quote]Ready-2-Learn wrote:
PM’s guys.[/quote]
No. Start a thread if you want a serious discussion.
[quote]beebuddy wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
Ready-2-Learn wrote:
My last post on this thread is this:
If you believe buying illegally gotten drugs only harms the end-user then you are deluded.
It would appear that the majority (but not all) of the posters on this thread are as dumb as pigshit.
You just don’t know what you are talking about if you think it’s impossible to illegally purchase and use a drug without hurting anyone.
It would appear that you are a troll. What other possible reason could you be posting in a forum about illegal drugs?
It’s possible. However drug use [at least of highly addictive drugs] by individuals still tends to destroy the lives of those around them. And the societal cost is great. Crime [organized and otherwise], broken families, deaths.
It’s extremely naive to think that there aren’t widespread systemic affects cause only individuals ingest the drugs. All the evidence shows otherwise. That doesn’t necessarily mean that strict prohibition is the answer. But the problem is very real. And societies that have taken the regulation route have continued to have problems. For example, England tried prescribing heroin but gave it up.
Until the mid 1960s, British physicians were allowed to prescribe heroin to certain classes of addicts. The British system didn’t work. Addiction levels rose, especially among teenagers, and many addicts chose to boycott the program and continued to get their heroin from pushers. Things got even worse when England began dispensing methadone at the clinics instead of heroin.
Even more addicts to depart in favor of the real thing. According to John Kaplan of Stanford University, the number of addicts increased fivefold. James Wilson’s research showed the British Government’s experiment with controlled heroin distribution resulted in, at a minimum, a 30fold increase in the number of addicts in ten years.
Sure, but nobody is saying that heroin isn’t bad. Of course it is bad. [/quote]
No, but you seemed to be saying drug use only hurt the user. At least that’s what I thought you were saying. But maybe I misinterpreted.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Ready-2-Learn wrote:
PM’s guys.
No. Start a thread if you want a serious discussion.[/quote]
I think the politics and world issues forum may be best for a ‘funding of a countries criminal infastructure’ topic
[quote]nichaaron wrote:
Ready-2-Learn wrote:
They aren’t based on the laws of the land. They are based on my principles.
and the reason why you have principals to begin with is because you had people tell you what is right and what is wrong.
if you have never had a single person tell you that an act was taboo,then you would be like a child and not know any different.
your principals and the principals of an entire peoples are learned behavior and law is based on those principals and mindsets.
example in some countries it is against the law to eat beef.
it is because the people beleive that an act like that is taboo.
everything that is right or wrong is a matter of interpetation.
I personally dont care what drugs someone does. if you care about the person and you know the risks then you should show them the risks and allow them to make up thier own mind.
[/quote]
Good post nichaaron! Hopefully Ready did learn something.