'Street Drugs'

Pharma
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[quote]roweski wrote:
I think you’re taking things waaaay out of proportion here, mate.

By taking these substances we’re only ‘harming’ ourselves. Not quite the same as raping someone, is it? Though i get your point…

Most of the population knows that drug-crime is rampant, but we were discussing them in the context of bodybuilding and how said drugs are very bad for you under certain circumstances or towards your goals. I don’t think we needed the lecture, albeit a very short one.
-Rowesk

Bushy: Seems like we share the same opinion.

Though I would go so far to say, that their usage needs to be strictly monitored. i.e. a trip to the docs to make sure your cardio system is fine before you start pumping underdosed speed into your body… No heroin for those with histories of depression etc.

Only with controls on drugs like that, would it stop millions from taking advantage and becoming addicts, or ODing.[/quote]

I kinda agree - but just so you know, opioids are indicated for depression - OD’s are not often a result of depression, either circumstance due to lifestyle leading to suicide (rather than clinical depression) or a re-lapse after a period of sobriety (most common i think), mixing drugs that potentate effects such as alcohol, barbituates or benzos, and quality variance.

Just so you know for the future… ;p

Joe

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[quote]roweski wrote:
Has someone been watching too much House MD, again Joe? :stuck_out_tongue:

[Seriously though, how does he know everything…?]

-Rowesk[/quote]

LOL! it is a bit isn’t it?! heh!

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[quote]Ready-2-Learn wrote:
You are an imbecile Roweski with zero reasoning skills.

I decided to post on this thread because i have a personal hatred for criminals i guess you could say.

I have great disdain for anyone who knowingly gives money to the criminal system with no good reason and i make no exceptions.

Do any of you care?

Probably not. Although i’d like to think it made atleast one person.

I guess my uneducated self should stop trying to explain to ‘a bunch of educated adults’ why giving drug dealers money is bad.

I’m not going to try and reason with you anymore Roweski because you are an illogical person. However certain people in this thread should see my point whether or not they’ve become the target of my ‘preaching’.

As so far the only reasons that have been supplied are:

  1. You can’d do it legally so do it illegally
  2. There are other people that are bad aswell

I guess i have been completely proved wrong in my opinion.[/quote]

There are street dealers and there are bulk suppliers and importers/exporters.

It is no more wrong to give money to a street dealer than to anyone, the street dealers are no worse than you or me, they are your everyday “joe” who happen to sell illegal drugs to make their money/way in life. It doesnt make them bad people, some are - but that is people, some are bad - some are not.

As for the top of the food chain, it is regrettable that these people are the ones to finally gain from illegal drug use… as they tend to be involved in people trafficking, gun smuggling, very large scale violence and human right violations, cartels, gangs and many of the “darker” side of human lust and consumerism.

But in order to stop giving these gangsters money isnt about stopping buying drugs - because as long as there has been man, there has been drugs, from opium, mead, mushrooms, cacti, weed etc… It is about legalising these drugs and controlling their manufacture and distribution. Look at the success methadone has had on the heroin addicted population, i should know - i use it daily, i dont drink, smoke or do drugs. Just that. it is legal and prescribed. Where do you stand on that?

By your own admission you dont mind someone using drugs that are legal as they tend to be law abiding citizens, well there is the answer… Legalize it.

Education - as you flirted with, is a very important weapon in the fight against crime.
Maybe it is time you updated you own, eh?

Joe

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[quote]Ready-2-Learn wrote:
It’s funny you use that example as i happen to be someone who has purchased over a thousand pounds of hGH so it would make me somewhat of a hypocrite if i had no rebuttal.
As you can expect… i do:

Not a single pound of the money i spent hGH funded wrongdoing in this world.

My money goes to pharmacies and intermediaries.
Do i think they should be classed as criminals?
No.

Why?
Because they don’t commit any crimes other than the dealing and not paying tax in and of itself which in my opinion is perfectly ethical.

The ways and means involved in recreational drug supply are unethical.

When you buy roids and hGH from pharmacies you are giving money to chemists.

When you buy recreational drugs from drug dealers you’re giving money to wrongdoers.

This isn’t something i’ve decided to argue about on a whim. I cut off all relations with a best friend of 8 years because he started buying drugs. That’s how strongly i feel.

If anyone disagrees could they please supply a reason why you believe buying recreational drugs is not a crime.

Plus my purchasing of hGH is legal in the UK.[/quote]

Not without a prescription.

I have met people like you. I am done talking to you.

Fucking arsehole.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Well you should tell your friend that amphetamine is a big ‘muscle eater’ and will cause a fair amount of muscle catabolism when he uses it. That should put him off. It’s true too, to the best of my knowledge.

Bushy[/quote]

this is true but I dont think its because of the drug itself.

Its from the fact that you dont eat while on it and it speeds up your system to the point where you will eat away at the muscle.
its kind of the same concept of starvation diet with tons of added cardio.

If you can force yourself to eat high amounts of protien along with working out you will gain.
I have met alot of really big,strong tweakers in my day.

but still it is very addictive and it is bad for you.there are alot of mental side effects that are not worth the use of the drug.
along with weakening of the heart all that good stuff

ephedrine is the main ingredient in the process of making meth BTW (not that I know the whole recipe or anything)

and yes sadly enough I do have prior first hand experiance with both meth and pharm,grade adderall which is a mixture of 4 amphedamine salts. I have adult ADHD and that is what is given. never abused it but i was around that at one time a very very long time ago.
the morality of this is no different than you or I it is just a different drug.

I think education of said substance just like if a kid came in here wanting info on AAS.
it is not legal peoriod is it wrong? that itself is up to who interpets it.

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Interesting thread…but unless I’m missing something here (which is entirely plausible, btw) I don’t understand why your pal would rub an amphetamine agent on his gums.

[quote]testanabol wrote:
He then proceeded to pull out a bag of speed (amphetamine) and rub a rather large amount of it on his gums, [/quote]

Cocaine, on the other hand, I would understand…but ‘speed’? I don’t get.

That’s some bitter, bitter stuff, speed…nothing like cocaine. It wouldn’t even have the same numbing effect as far as I know. Yuck…I can’t even imagine! Or perhaps I really can, which is why I’m so perplexed.

Either way…strange drug of choice for the lifestyle.

Hope he fares well

peace

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My centennial post!

…not THIS one…the one up there ^^^^^^

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Ready-2-Learn wrote:
You guys realize that everytime you illegally buy recreational drugs you’re funding the majority of all crime committed?

Hey that’s not our fault. The government chose to outlaw it, and that’s their (unwise) descision.

IMO all drugs should be legal and available (with health warning and instructions for safe use) from the chemist.

The drugs would obviously be taxed and the government and health service could benefit from this.

Drug dealers (and a lot of crime) would be done away with, and addicts (real addicts) would not have to commit crime to get high, because they would be eligble for prescription.

Drugs from the chemist would still need to be cut, because people can’t handle pure stuff without ODing and/or addiction, but the cut could be made with substances that offset some of the side-effects of the drugs.

Bushy[/quote]

C’mon Bushy. This has not worked all that well in societies that have tried it. There remains an illicit market for drugs and plenty of crime. And addiction. Some pluses. Clean needles. Purer drugs. But problems persist.

It ‘may’ be preferable to pure criminimalization and I haven’t done enough research to come to a conclusion. But it’s certainly not the ‘answer.’

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Great! Ruined it! Now it says 102…yeeesh!

(how’s THAT for anticipation, huh?)

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Speed can be absorbed through the gums alot like it is absorped through the capillaries in the nose.

however what he did may have been coke and not meth because it was rubbed on his gums and people tend to do that.

I myself never understood why you rub it in your mouth anyways unless its the last bit in the bag.

but now were getting into how people use it and there is so many different ways who knows.

met a girl that used to wrap it in toilet paper squares and eat it. as long as it gets in the body it works.

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[quote]Ready-2-Learn wrote:

My money goes to pharmacies and intermediaries.

Plus my purchasing of hGH is legal in the UK.[/quote]

I am interested in how you purchase your HGH, do you buy direct from the manufacturer paying no monies to middlemen?

And if so would you then be importing direct from abroad, which is as you claim legal in the UK?

I am not questioning the legality of importing as I always beleived it was legal to import, but as one of our memers here is findingout there seems to be a bit of grey area and the police and customs seem to have different ideas on the exact legal situtaion regarding importing.

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[quote]Ready-2-Learn wrote:
Plus my purchasing of hGH is legal in the UK.[/quote]

HGH isn’t legal in every country. Do you morals stand up given that it cannot be bought legally in some parts for the world?

Is your morality based on the laws of the land that you live in and if so, can you really say that you have any morality?

I appreciate what you are saying in this thread and that you feel very strongly about it. I just want to know what your strong moral principals are based.

Thanks in advance!

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[quote]Ready-2-Learn wrote:
I will answer you in a PM so as not to drown out the original topic.[/quote]

No, you should answer here because you’ve already molested a very good thread.

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Sorry to have seen this thread gone to shit test,

Ready: you have to be about the biggest hypocrite I have ever seen.

You go on to mutter about your absolute hate and disgust for criminals and then later on admit to being one.

So you have selective hate for crimes that you dont approve of? Who died and made you the judge and the jury?

I suggest you get into politics. It looks as though it could suit your frame of mind rather well.

Please do post how you legally purchased/sold over 1000 lbs of HGH and how in your eyes you are any less of a crimal than anyone else commiting illegal acts…

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[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
Sorry to have seen this thread gone to shit test,

Ready: you have to be about the biggest hypocrite I have ever seen.

You go on to mutter about your absolute hate and disgust for criminals and then later on admit to being one.

So you have selective hate for crimes that you dont approve of? Who died and made you the judge and the jury?

I suggest you get into politics. It looks as though it could suit your frame of mind rather well.

Please do post how you legally purchased/sold over 1000 lbs of HGH and how in your eyes you are any less of a crimal than anyone else commiting illegal acts…[/quote]

No shit LG.

I have plenty experience with this phenomenon.
I would have posted but now the thread is taking too many hits from the crusader.

Go smoke a bowl ‘Ready’ and call it a day.

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[quote]Ready-2-Learn wrote:
Would you also like me to show you a place you can rape women without breaking the law?

Get a clue Rowesk.[/quote]

I don’t know if anyone has pointed this out, but this statement is absolutely idiotic. Raping a woman harms her, using drugs harms nobody but the user which is even more true when that drug use is legal.

Ready-2-Learn muse be a troll to regard rape and illegal drug use as equally bad.

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[quote]Ready-2-Learn wrote:

It may seem idiotic to an idiot like yourself.
I will explain it for you because it isn’t your fault you have extremely poor comprehension:
Rowesk thought that because it wasn’t possible to do legally, that you should be able to do it illegally.

I then compared this with someone wanting to perform another illegal act but without it being legal.

In other words there’s a reason it is illegal. (The reason may be self-inflicted by it’s own presence but nevertheless)
[/quote]

That’s an interesting manipulation of his words, but I doubt anybody is buying it.

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SO what Ready is really saying is that personal responsibility is an abhorrence that should be wiped out to ensure that the nanny state has full control.

If someone wants to hurt themselves, why on earth do you give a fuck?

We punish crimes like rape (and rightly so) because it creates a negative physical effect on someone else. Drug use will hurt one person.

If they go on a drug-fueled rampage… well they deserve what they get.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10483739