You know I have been trying to find an excuse to eat a big fat cinnabon lately and there it is, Im SUPPOSED to be eating them saturated fats. Please someone blow me away and tell me I can eat the high GI carbs as well, PLEASE.
This is the last time I check the forums on the weekend.
Ok, you’ve lost my attention for good with two ridiculous statements.
“From what I’ve seen and read, most people have allergies. If I’m not mistaken, I believe it was a number something like 1 in 3 have allergies. An allergy is just a general toxic overload, anyway.”
and this doozy
“Yes, because your body has to use it’s own nutrient stores to use that synthetic vitamin. A natural vitamin already has all that stuff with it, so it does not put stress on the body to use it. You know how they say if you take your bioflavanoids with vitamin C it helps make it more effective? Well, natural vitamin C already has that in it.”
What in the holy shit are you talking about? Vitamins in butter, bioflavanoids in vitamin C? You’re either sorely lacking in basic knowledge, or you’ve read too much propaganda by somebody trying to sell you something.
If you’re going to post and rant, please at least try to do so from this planet.
Joel,
I never said that it was unhealthy due to any of those reasons.
Fat is used for many important things, so if you leave it out, and carbs, too, what are you left with? Just protein. The reason that this high protein type of diet is unhealthy is the lack of fats, not because of the high protein intake itself.
Neil
Goldberg,
“Neil, you are an idiot. First you say we should eat raw eggs. That will get you exactly where i have been for the past week. On the great throne of the porcelain gods.”
Oh really? I’ve been eating raw eggs for many months, and for a while, as much as a dozen a day. Absolutely zero problems like you suggest. I know many other people that consume raw eggs with zero problems. What are you basing this problem on?
“And second of all, you think coconut oil is a better source of fat than fish and flax oil. Ill say it one more time. You are an idiot.”
It’s very important to keep the polyunsaturated fats to a low percentage. You, for some reason, either do not want to know this or don’t. I’ll definitely say coconut is better than flax oil. Fish oil is good, cod liver oil is great. Cod liver oil is the best fat to supplement with. The point is the bulk of dietary fats should be saturated.
Please tell me how I’m wrong.
Neil
Man, I guess I should go get my fats from fries at McDonald’s. Those are saturated, not polyunsaturated or monounsaturated, so they’re good, right? Geez, everything we know is shot to shit because NeilG says so.
You know there are people that believe wearing a certain crystal around their neck will cause them to be healthy too. They have just about as much scientific evidence behind them as these allergy theories and raw eggs and saturated fat is all you should eat ideas.
I may know 10 people that will say they have allergies but of those 3 don’t really have any and 4 or so are allergic to nonfood items, unless you consider pollen or cat hair a food.
I know my sister had some health issues relating to digestion problems and went to a “holisitic” practitioner. He had her hold various substance in glass vials in one hand while he pushed on her arm to judge relative strength. From this what I’ll call quackery he determined she was “allergic” to certain foods. She radically changed her diet and of course she saw no health changes.
That’s what I call nonsense.
This really is funny. Dude, I think you have the wrong forum or maybe you’ve been watching too much Oxygen or getting your info from the National Enquirer.
Getting our fat from saturates? ROTFL. One of the major areas of research in the last 50 years is the overwhelming amount of evidence that saturated fat is in no way healthy and is a leading cause of CAD. The only thing SAFAs are good for is making soap. SAFAs are solid at body temp. They are insoluble in water and aggregate to form droplets. This is one of the major problems with human nutrition. The aggregation leads to sticky platelets which can readily form blood clots in an artery. Butter and coconut oil contain virtually no essential fatty acids (EFAs). High in non-EFAs, such as pamitic acid (shown to incr. cholesterol), there are no real benefits. I mean, coconut oil has no O3s, O6s, O9s or GLA. In fact, these NEFAs are a major factor in blocking the conversion of LA (linolenic acid) into GLA (gamma-linolenic acid). This is a major step in transforming the LAs into prostaglandins (yes, that’s a good thing). Of course, the majority of us supplement with GLA-rich oils, to add to our health. And these come from a source from which you also eschew, (drum roll) polyunsaturates (more specifically, GLA-rich oils: evening primrose oil, borage oil, black currant). Of course, the major poly oils most of us use (flax,hemp,walnut,etc.) have benefits too numerous to list here.
As far as synthetic vitamins, I admit, that I was unfamiliar with this, so I did some research. Fortunately, one of my ex-girlfriends (who remains on good terms with me) is a nutritionist and proceeded to give me the rationale behind synthetic vitamins. The conscensus was that you have probably been watching too much of that infomercial where the guy drops the vitamins in the water and claims it’s your stomach. Yes, we all know that it’s better to get vit/min from whole foods (I’m sure most of us do), but most MRPs have roughly 50% RDA of your vit/mins. All of a sudden eggs are making me sick.
Next you’ll be claiming that McD’s can turn us all into elite athletes.
P-Dog,
“so you recommend that we eat loads of sausage bacon and ultimate cheeseburgers, cooked in butter and topped with some sour cream?”
Make sure that sausage or bacon isn’t cured and full of nitrates and nitrites. Fresh sausage is pretty good, though, especially because it contains parts of the animal normally not eaten.
Leave out the ultimate cheeseburgers and you have the right idea.
Neil
TFreak,
“You know I have been trying to find an excuse to eat a big fat cinnabon lately and there it is, Im SUPPOSED to be eating them saturated fats. Please someone blow me away and tell me I can eat the high GI carbs as well, PLEASE.”
The source of food should always been natural unprocessed food. Just because a cinnabon has saturated fat in it doesn’t mean that it’s good for you. It also has white sugar, white flour, and almost guranteed to have loads of trans-fatty acids.
Have a fatty steak and some steamed vegetables loaded with butter, and now we’re talking.
Neil
JWright,
“Man, I guess I should go get my fats from fries at McDonald’s. Those are saturated, not polyunsaturated or monounsaturated, so they’re good, right? Geez, everything we know is shot to shit because NeilG says so.”
No. French fries from places like that are fried in vegetable oil. This is the worst thing you can do. These should be avoided like the plague.
Everyone seems to be having difficulting with the “natural” concept.
Neil
DocT,
"Ok, you’ve lost my attention for good with two ridiculous statements.
“From what I’ve seen and read, most people have allergies. If I’m not mistaken, I believe it was a number something like 1 in 3 have allergies. An allergy is just a general toxic overload, anyway.”
and this doozy"
What’s “rediculous” about that?
"What in the holy shit are you talking about? Vitamins in butter, bioflavanoids in vitamin C? You’re either sorely lacking in basic knowledge, or you’ve read too much propaganda by somebody trying to sell you something. "
Yes, butter has vitamins. Check the USDA database.
Neil
Basing it on the fact that uncooked eggs and chicken may contain salmonella. If you want to play russian roulette with your small intestines and colon go right ahead. I dont give a shit either way.
And you will never convince me that coconut oil is better than flax oil or fish oil.
And i just added this one on for fun. Youve been training 2/3 of a year and have less than 50 posts under your belt and you come on here trying to tell everybody that they are dead wrong about everything. Guess what? You dont know shit. Well you might know shit if you happen to eat a salmonella laced egg. You have no business telling anybody anything. More than likely this is just a fad for you and in a year you will be back to collecting stamps or whatever it was you did before you started “bodybuilding”. hahahhahahaha. Yall gotta admit that was funny. collecting stamps. hahahhaa.
SteelyEyes,
“You know there are people that believe wearing a certain crystal around their neck will cause them to be healthy too. They have just about as much scientific evidence behind them as these allergy theories and raw eggs and saturated fat is all you should eat ideas.”
Did you take a look at any of the links I gave? The delay with waiting for posts to be allowed can mess things up sometimes…so if you haven’t, check out some of those links.
"I know my sister had some health issues relating to digestion problems and went to a “holisitic” practitioner. He had her hold various substance in glass vials in one hand while he pushed on her arm to judge relative strength. From this what I’ll call quackery he determined she was “allergic” to certain foods. She radically changed her diet and of course she saw no health changes.
That’s what I call nonsense."
So if there’s one quack in the field, then that means the entire field is nonsense? I don’t think so.
Neil
Neil, training with machines isn’t an optimal choice in that most of these devices don’t require you to balance the selected load; the machine has a fixed range of motion and it will balance the load for you without much effort on your part. This leaves your stabilizing/supporting muscle groups weak and underdeveloped as they are generally not “called upon” when working with machines. “Come on, man; who cares about stabilizers? People just want to get huge!” Yes, I’m aware, and that’s precisely the problem. You see, you’re never going to “get huge” if you neglect to train the stabilizing muscle groups. Why? Well, if the major muscle groups continue to strengthen and hypertrophy at the expense of stabilizer strength and growth, you’re going to have a major problem. Eventually, you won’t be able to stand, walk, move, etc. (I wasn’t lying when I said “major” problem), because your underlying muscle groups are not strong enough to support the imbalance. Now, before all you “machiners” out there get super freaked about the thought of waking up tomorrow in a paralyzed state, let me assure you that your body will never allow you to screw yourself up so badly. Your body will sense that your stabilizers are not strong enough to support further growth of the major muscle groups and will compensate by not allowing them to hypertrophy further. This phenomenon is known as “regulatory feedback” between muscle tissue and the brain, and yes, it will stop progress dead in its tracks.
Secondly, whether you are referring to free weight or machine movements, the whole concept of “isolation” is hogwash. It’s a huge marketing tool to give manufacturers an excuse to continually develop highly complex (and very expensive) exercise machines when simple barbells and dumbbells are far superior and less economically taxing. When performing isolation-type movements:
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You work only one muscle or muscle group at a time
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You neglect underrated muscle groups and put yourself at a predisposition for injury
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You use minimal weight
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You minimize strength gains
However, when utilizing compound, multi-joint movements:
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You work many muscles or muscle groups simultaneously
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You heavily recruit underrated muscle groups as stabilizers and/or secondary movers
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You use maximal weight
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You maximize strength gains
Take care,
Joel
“From what I’ve seen and read, most people have allergies. If I’m not mistaken, I believe it was a number something like 1 in 3 have allergies. An allergy is just a general toxic overload, anyway.”
What’s “rediculous” about that?
What’s ridiculous are both your numbers and the statement that an allergy is “just a general toxic overload”. You apparently haven’t a clue about what an allergy is, yet you’re willing to lecture us about food allergies. THAT’S my problem with that statement.
“Yes, butter has vitamins. Check the USDA database.”
Sure, I’m sure that if you tested random public water samples, they would have vitamins in them as well. I’m talking about amounts significant enough to have some impact on your diet, not miniscule amounts.
Your outrageous statements simply aren’t backed by facts.
The fats in a nice Filet Mignon are natural, but are they good for you? No, because they are saturated. There has been plenty of research that says saturated fats can be bad for your heart, can increase blood pressure immediately after digestion and so on. Unsaturated fats are good for your heart, on the other hand.
Goldberg is right - raw eggs shan’t be consumed (Ha, I said shan’t). They can contain salmonella, and so can raw chicken. So why the hell would you risk it? Besides, cooking the eggs increases the protein content anyways. Protein is good, right?
OK, where are the links? I looked and must have missed them.
DocT,
"Sure, I’m sure that if you tested random public water samples, they would have vitamins in them as well. I’m talking about amounts significant enough to have some impact on your diet, not miniscule amounts.
Your outrageous statements simply aren’t backed by facts."
Food in nature don’t have the same concentrations of vitamins as fortified breakfast cerals. Butter provides vitamins A, D, E, and K. Not to mention trace minerals.
Neil
“Food in nature don’t have the same concentrations of vitamins as fortified breakfast cerals. Butter provides vitamins A, D, E, and K. Not to mention trace minerals.”
Congrats on the “Non Sequitur Post of the Year”. Your award of being ignored forever will be along shortly.