[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
steroids really aren’t all that addictive.
I’ve done a couple of low dose cycles. They were fun. Will probably do another one in the future but not anytime soon.
The idea that once you’ve had a taste of the juice you automatically become some snarling vascular beast with no balls who never comes off is every bit as retarded as saying having a couple of pints every now and then will automatically lead to alcoholism.[/quote]
Did you keep most of your gainz? Since you aren’t close to your natty potential, cycling a few times would bring you closer to that and allow you to keep it. Is my reasoning sound at all? [/quote]
I know exactly what you mean mate.
Yeah I did keep my gains. 100% of the strength, and only lost a few lbs of bodyweight (which I suspect was water).
My first cycle I went from 180lbs (omg so skinny) to about 188, with a 20k increase on my bench. Could’ve probably got a few more lbs out of it but I really fucked my back up just before starting so my leg training was pretty limited. Second cycle took me up to 195 but I recomped pretty significantly so the weight gain doesn’t tell the full story. 2nd cycle was a tiny bit disappointing tbh, I expected more in the way of gains but I found out after that a lot of people who used the lab I’d used weren’t happy with their recent cycles and the general consensus is the lab has gone to shit. So it goes.
It’s been close to 6 months since my last cycle, and I am gaining naturally just the same as anybody else, with no sign of the gains I made on cycle going anywhere. It actually seems like I gain a little faster since the cycles. I’ve heard that steroids can permanently upregulate your androgen receptors, but I don’t know if it really happens to any significant degree, or if the low dosed cycles I ran would have that effect.
Obviously if I had been running 5g of gear and gone way over my genetic potential I would expect to lose something, but in my opinion (which is mirrored by my experience) if you are below your genetic potential running moderate doses you can absolutely keep your gains.[/quote]
Right on. I’m curious to see what Walk thinks about the androgen receptors. It seems like you could “fire up” more receptors since they are a lot more active on cycle. Again, I’m just making shit up and speculating.
I also wonder if you could kick your natural T levels a little higher with a good, low dose cycle and solid PCT. [/quote]
Low dose is a waste of time IMO. Eight pounds for a first cycle is pretty low, unless it was only four weeks long.
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Lol 8 solid lbs is great for a cycle. Go look at a 10lb roast that will give you an idea of wow much solid mass that is. Most bloat up 15-20lbs then lose 10+ lbs. so net gain of 5-10 mass after water. Two cycles like that a year and you’ll be a hulk. [/quote]
I think we both know that’s not quite how it works. I’ll still stand by my opinion that a begginer should gain way more than eight pounds. 15lbs of keep able gains is possible ESP if you are nowhere near your potential. If people are happy with eight pounds for a first cycle then that’s fine, as long as it only lasts four to six weeks.
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Oh I totally agree, a beginner should gain more than 8lbs (and I certainly weighed much more than that on cycle, the 8lbs is what I had a few weeks after PCT once the water and shit was gone).
I thought I explained it in my post where I said I couldn’t really train my legs on cycle due to a back injury. I reckon I’d have easily got 10lbs+ if I could have. The smart thing for me to have one would have been to wait til my back was rehabbed before cycling but I had all my gear sitting in the house and I was way too impatient.
