BTW, my buds just confirmed that the video is a gag, as I initially suspected. The investigation lasted all of 75 minutes, but it worked out.
Apparently this is a movie he’s making as a pet project. The guy just started a diet and lifting program and is trying to gain some weight as part of the movie. Everything else you saw in the video was part of his “screenplay” with horrible acting from most people involved. Its safe to assume that he is just swallowing a sugar pill in the scene.
I was sorta hoping it was just some sorta gag.
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
Otep wrote:
Because he’s doing an all oral cycle.
Many female lifters use an oral cycle. Anyway what does that have to do with PCT or support?
Because he expresses an ignorance of proper form.
What form? lifting? Anyway what does that have to do with PCT or support?
Because he doesn’t mention diet at all.
He also didn;t reveal his sexual orientation, ancestry and the exact training program he was going to be following. Maybe he needs to start a thread on T-Nation? Anyway what does that have to do with PCT or support?
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You are doing a pretty fine job in this thread of showing that YOU do not know what you are talking about, and proving everyone else’s point.
Women do an all oral cycle of anavar, which is VERY different from dianabol (which women sure as fuck should NOT TAKE). And running a fairly liver toxic oral for 12 weeks? WTF? The very fact that he is running such a cycle (if he really is) indicates that he has not done anywhere near the amount of research and planning he should have. And his body is even more evidence he does not know what he is doing in the arena of diet or exercise.
People who start using AAS before they are “ready” invite a whole host of problems upon the themselves, and it is people like this that are the very reason they were made illegal in the first place.
Without a solid base to build up from and a decent knowledge of what you plan to put in your body and what goals you have, as well as a knowledge of the proper ancillaries to have on hand in case problems arise, anybody who undertakes a cycle in the same manner this guy is can expect to lose all of their gains as soon as they come off at best, and at worst, to end up with tits, a screwed up hormonal profile, no sex drive, the inability to get their dick hard, infertility, and reduced future testosterone production, leaving the user worse off than when he started. And we should just shut up and let everyone do as they please, right?
[quote]Cortes wrote:
You are doing a pretty fine job in this thread of showing that YOU do not know what you are talking about, and proving everyone else’s point.[/quote]
Give me a break. Another “amateur” competitor, I presume?
Read the whole thread before yapping away.
One, where did I recommend women take D-bol?
Second, the kid is NOT taking d-bol.
[quote]And we should just shut up and let everyone do as they please, right?
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yes, its usually a good idea. Especially when they are not DIRECTLY affecting you in any way (since someone like you will soon use that halfwit argument about the actions of a few reflecting on the broad majority and more bullshit).
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
Cortes wrote:
You are doing a pretty fine job in this thread of showing that YOU do not know what you are talking about, and proving everyone else’s point.
Give me a break. Another “amateur” competitor, I presume?
Read the whole thread before yapping away.
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What does “amateur” competitor even mean? I have no idea what you are talking about or how this pertains to the topic we are discussing. Please explain.
I have read the thread.
Where did I suggest you recommended this? You drew an unwarranted comparison which I pointed out. I got dianabol from one poster’s comment in this thread, and I did not see the first video (not linked here) in which he is taking a pink pill (which, for the record, does not look like any methandrostenolone I have ever seen). The idea that what he plans on doing and the common Anavar cycle a woman would take are the same is ignorant. We are still talking about what this guy is doing, right?
It was the actions of the few that got steroids classified on the same level as cocaine and heroin. The actions of the few do, therefore, affect MY actions, so I will have some say in them. Explain to me how this is a halfwit argument. Can you legally purchase steroids in America? The answer is “no,” isn’t it? Why is this? Is it because a small minority of ignorant idiots who were not ready for a first cycle (or any subsequent cycles) went and ruined it for you and the rest of us? Are your actions directly affected by this? No matter how you want to spin it, the actions of individuals have far reaching consequences for all of us. There are a lot of family men right now serving 20 year prison sentences along with rapists and pedophiles for the simple crime of wanting to be bigger than their genetics would allow. And it is fucks like this (hypothetically speaking, since we all know that this is not even a real video) that “indirectly” put them there.
It’s fake, but it would be interesting to see someone like that do a cycle of test + PCT and see the results. (properly planned cycle of course)
I didn’t read the thread, I just wanted to provide my response to the video.
This guy doesn’t understand what goes into getting an appreciable amount of mass going, and starting out with roids shows that he just wants to take what society has labeled a ‘shortcut’ to getting big.
Unfortunately for him, things aren’t that simple.
More unfortunately for many of the members of this site, the in-the-know population of the world, the stigma associated with steroids will only be perpetuated by these ignorant videos.
I read some of Cortes’ posts. .
He brings some good points to the table.
I have a question for clarification. . . You can really get nailed 20 years in prison for steroid possession?
What the fuck. . .
Oh, and the steroid-user represented in the movies is clearly displaying his personality, not any result of steroid use.
[quote]lildave wrote:
I was sorta hoping it was just some sorta gag.[/quote]
I think it is a gag.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
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It was the actions of the few that got steroids classified on the same level as cocaine and heroin. The actions of the few do, therefore, affect MY actions, so I will have some say in them. Explain to me how this is a halfwit argument. Can you legally purchase steroids in America? The answer is “no,” isn’t it? Why is this? Is it because a small minority of ignorant idiots who were not ready for a first cycle (or any subsequent cycles) went and ruined it for you and the rest of us? Are your actions directly affected by this? No matter how you want to spin it, the actions of individuals have far reaching consequences for all of us. There are a lot of family men right now serving 20 year prison sentences along with rapists and pedophiles for the simple crime of wanting to be bigger than their genetics would allow. And it is fucks like this (hypothetically speaking, since we all know that this is not even a real video) that “indirectly” put them there.[/quote]
It is the athletes that got steroids banned, not the average joe in my opinion. The average joe has just as much right to take them as Ronnie Coleman of Jose Canseco.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
What does “amateur” competitor even mean? I have no idea what you are talking about or how this pertains to the topic we are discussing. Please explain.[/quote]
You’re the guy who wanted to see a “certain” bber (whom everyone considers natural around here lol) guest pose in your country, if I;m not mistaken. It was amusing to see all the “amateurs” on this site worship someone that they consider natural, exactly two weeks after the SAME bber got his gyno fixed (as he needs to every year lol). As do I, and I have visited the same surgeon on 2 occassions. Thats why i called you an 'amateur" because apparently you don;t keep with the times…if this is still cryptic, forgive me. I don;t want to spell out everything in 2 syllables and get in trouble.
NOTE:: I didn;t name any names here, so if the bber I;m addressing reads this and wants to take a pot shot, fuck off.
its NOT D-bol. Its not anything. How many times must I repeat myself.
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The idea that what he plans on doing and the common Anavar cycle a woman would take are the same is ignorant. We are still talking about what this guy is doing, right?[/quote]
Dudeness, I was replying to OTEP who suggested that the kid knew nothing about PCT simply because he was taking an oral. That was a stretch, and I was responding to that before you butted in. I wasn;t drawing any comparison between a VAR cycle for a woman and what he was allegedly doing.
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It was the actions of the few that got steroids classified on the same level as cocaine and heroin. The actions of the few do, therefore, affect MY actions, so I will have some say in them.
Explain to me how this is a halfwit argument. [/quote]
look, asserting yourself for the sake of asserting yourself is self-empowering but achieves nothing. And also the actions of a few have ALWAYS always (in EVERY area) affect the larger population - be it politics, sports, whatever. At this point, there is no way in hell AAS will ever become legal again, and it remains up to the user to determine the path he wants to follow and listen to/ignore what everyone else says.
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Can you legally purchase steroids in America? [/quote]
Yes, you can. If you really want to get it, you will. Is it easy, nope.
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The answer is “no,” isn’t it? Why is this? Is it because a small minority of ignorant idiots who were not ready for a first cycle (or any subsequent cycles) went and ruined it for you and the rest of us? [/quote]
That was ONE factor, not the only factor. A corrupt government thats looking for a reason to ban steroids would have done so any way. think about the tobacco industry. The main problem is that bodybuilders are a MINORITY…and demonizing certain activities exclusively pursued within a minority community is a ploy that has been used effectively for a long time. So No, it was not brecause of a MINORITY OF IDIOTS WHO ABUSED STEROIDS, it was simply because AAS mattered mainly to a minority that typically raises eyebrows among the majority, simply because they look different (and intimidate most members of the majority) and have never been very vocal about their interests.
At the cost of sounding like a pre-schooler, watch X-men again and you’ll see what i;m talking about.
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Are your actions directly affected by this? No matter how you want to spin it, the actions of individuals have far reaching consequences for all of us. There are a lot of family men right now serving 20 year prison sentences along with rapists and pedophiles for the simple crime of wanting to be bigger than their genetics would allow. And it is fucks like this (hypothetically speaking, since we all know that this is not even a real video) that “indirectly” put them there.[/quote]
Dude, he is not taking anything!
I watched that movie Bigger, Stronger, Faster…after watching it I felt that there’s a lot of undeserved hysteria over steroids.
That being said, I don’t think I’d ever use them. I just don’t care that much about getting big, but I don’t see them as being a necessarily evil.
[quote]Digity wrote:
I watched that movie Bigger, Stronger, Faster…after watching it I felt that there’s a lot of undeserved hysteria over steroids.
That being said, I don’t think I’d ever use them. I just don’t care that much about getting big, but I don’t see them as being a necessarily evil.[/quote]
Yeah, I don’t see myself using them for anything outside of TRT when I’m older. That is IF there are serious health benefits for me given my hormone profile.
That said, I don’t see them as an inherently bad thing.
I think that it IS cheating when you’re in a sport that has specific rules against them, and I know it’s naive to think that most professional athletes are clean.
It’s all a big witch-hunt though.
Again, I’ve said this before but I think this is a spoof and it would explain why he’s using oral steroids…since it’s probably candy or something.
[quote]Digity wrote:
Again, I’ve said this before but I think this is a spoof and it would explain why he’s using oral steroids…since it’s probably candy or something.[/quote]
probably got them from buckeyegirl’s dbol dispenser.
dont know if the movie is fake or real but what he is taking looks exactly like A**O’s d-bol
I honestly have no idea what your point even is anymore. My original point was intended to be that you don’t know what you are talking about.
Now, it appears that it was not that, but that you just write what happens to cross through your mind at any given time, without any filters, organization, or editing for clarity. So I’m abandoning whatever weird twilight zone debate this is we are having.
I will make one last point, though:
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
You’re the guy who wanted to see a “certain” bber (whom everyone considers natural around here lol) guest pose in your country, if I;m not mistaken.
It was amusing to see all the “amateurs” on this site worship someone that they consider natural, exactly two weeks after the SAME bber got his gyno fixed (as he needs to every year lol). As do I, and I have visited the same surgeon on 2 occassions.
Thats why i called you an 'amateur" because apparently you don;t keep with the times…if this is still cryptic, forgive me. I don;t want to spell out everything in 2 syllables and get in trouble.
NOTE:: I didn;t name any names here, so if the bber I;m addressing reads this and wants to take a pot shot, fuck off.
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I’ll name names. You’re talking about Kiyoshi Moody. I have never, anywhere, suggested that I believe he is natural. In fact, personally, I believe that there are few, if any, truly natural bodybuilders at the top level of the “natural” bodybuilding sport.
In fact, if you knew so much about me and what I think, you would know that I have started a thread about this exact belief of mine. So you can take your strawman and knock it down someplace else.
And again, this paragraph of yours is exactly what I’m talking about above. How does this have ANY bearing on what we were orginally talking about?
Steroids saved my life tonight…sugarbear…
That pill looked like an ecky to me, which would explain much about the rest of the video. And his sloppy form on that seated row, OMG! The soon-to-be personal trainer in me wanted to shout, “Sit up straight, brace abs, shoulders up and back!” All in all, it was the best laugh I’ve had all day, so I’m not complaining. Can’t wait to see more.
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
If its not a magic pill, whats the objection to the noob taking them?
Most of the arguments against noobs injecting come either from experienced vets showing concern OR from people wearing the natural bber badge of honor, expect everyone else to follow their chosen path and who are secretly afraid that said noob will actually blow up while taking the "easy path’. In other words, people who are afraid that it may just BE a magic pill.
There is a slight chance the guy is a TRUE hardgainer with naturally low testosterone levels and may actually show NO progress without assistance.
If more people recommended he get a complete hormonal check up and then embark on a lifelong program of progressive skeletal/muscular loading (with progressive joint destruction) in the hope of hypertrophy - then the situation would be different.
The guy knows his limitations (even if they are mostly mental) and has found a way to try to reach his goals (and accept responsibility for what happens) while not significantly compromising his lifestyle - whats the problem here?
Makavali wrote:
nephorm wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Enjoy The Pain wrote:
… Steroids are for advanced athletes and not for skinny beginners who are to lazy to work hard in the gym.
Why?
I agree. Why?
Because they aren’t a magic pill. If you can’t work hard off steroids, what makes you think you can work hard on them?
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I don’t have anything against steroids, but I think you should learn to train and eat properly and get the right mindset before you use them. What’s the point of trying to run before you can walk? If you eat crap and do triceps kickbacks with the pink dumbbells, you will not benefit nearly as much from steroids.