Steroids And Possible Side Effects?

Pharma
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[quote]MikeRich928 wrote:
I have never heard of someone having hallucinations man. You can probly find evidence of people going blind from eating chicken, growing feathers maybe too. There are rare side effects for every drug ever created. To me, you just sound paranoid discussing such off the wall stuff… If you have a history of hallucinations and mental illness or anything like that then once again, i’m gonna go ahead and say NO don’t do it. [/quote]

Now that was a helpful post thanks mate :slight_smile: thats basically what i wanted to know how common the hallucination thing was and if anyone here had personally experienced it. See thats where stuff gets complicated because i do not have a history of hallucinations or mental illnesses the only mental problems i had where for a good year after smoking the weed. And that was psychosis and some anxiety. I never had psychosis symptoms or anxiety until i smoked the pot and i haven’t had any really for over a year which was why i was considering the aas.

But i sure do appreciate your opinion and will take it into consideration when i make my decision.

Seems like i forgot to put my stats in when signing up sorry about that

6’ 203lbs bench 280lbs body fat somewhere between 14% and 16% currently cutting 2800 calories a day - 500 from exercise so a net of 2400 calories. I was researching aas for when i decide to bulk up.

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[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]CB7854 wrote:
Im going to be honest here and say both of you need to seriously assess your knowledge outside the aas world. If someone has recreational drug induced anxiety and psychosis then they need a mental health evaluation and they are clearly a bit insane? i really need to ask what is abit insane? again as i said above i dont consider temporary drug induced psychosis to be a bit insane or someone that needs mental health evaluation. [/quote]

you have a genetic predisposition to going a bit crazy. Genetics load the gun, environment pulls the trigger. If you weren’t genetically a bit crazy, smoking a bit of weed wouldn’t have made you crazy. There is probably a better word I could be using than “crazy”, admittedly, but you definitely have a predisposition towards… unbalance?

[quote]CB7854 wrote:
You guys really make the aas community look unbelievably uneducated im not talking uneducated regarding steroids as im sure your knowledge all far outweights mine as i have no experience whatsoever with roids. But clearly the way you view people that get anxiety temporary through drugs is quite pathetic.[/quote]

I never claimed to speak on behalf of the AAS community.

[quote]CB7854 wrote:
I DO not need a mental health evaluation and i do NOT consider myself to be a bit crazy. Yes i also do not know how i would react to hormonal changes as in bursting into tears but i dont see why i would be at a greater problem than anyone else that starts aas because as i said my MENTAL health is stable accept for the temporary blip of psychosis and anxiety that i suffered from again due to drug experimentation. [/quote]

you realise that 99.999999% of people are smoking up without having weird, lasting panic attack things? This is not normal. Once your mind starts being abnormal, you need a mental health evaluation. Maybe you’re not crazy, maybe you are, only by seeing a professional would you ever know.

[quote]CB7854 wrote:
Also what is the problem with trying a first dosage of around 60mg? again its common sense if my body naturally only produces 5 to 7mg of testosterone why not try a much lower amount than i would intend to run throughout the cycle to see how i react to it? why pump 250mgs when you dont know how you will react wouldn’t it be safer to try a lower dose as a first injection? this is generally how it goes with most designer research chemicals so i dont see why it would be any different with steroids. Its simply seeing how you react without putting in a a lot of it. [/quote]

Fine. Knock yourself out. Nothing will happen.

[quote]CB7854 wrote:
But i will say it one last time just to make it crystal clear lol how is having temporary anxiety and psychosis that was drug induced make someone any less mentally stable than any of you guys on this board because as the name says it is temporary.
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It could come back…[/quote]

A predisposition to going crazy? i wouldn’t say so no i predisposition to anxiety probably so. Im going to make the assumption that i am not crazy considering the symptoms gone within a year and i have not had any for over 12 months. People that are crazy dont just change from being crazy to being normal for a year lol its usually a persistent thing that doesn’t go without medical treatment. So again considering i do not have any of these symptoms now and have not for a long time im going to make the educated guess that i am not crazy :slight_smile:

Loads of people do smoke all the time but there is a huge amount that also experiences psychological after effects. Simply checking erowid will bring up a number of experiences from people some that have smoked for years before having the negative effects others having after just smoking once.

Also just to point out it wasn’t a bit of weed as in bud that i smoked it was a sativa honey oil made by me so it was strong lol. Gone in with a gram and the next morning it weighed .2g so i definitely smoked a fuck load to much. 50mg would have probably done it lol but not realizing i just thought ah this shits weak its only weed and loaded it up.

Anyway still making my decision :stuck_out_tongue:

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That article you linked for hallucinations is a joke. Google betrayed you. No name author, half page review, out dated references and no credible information. Don’t believe everything you find on the internet.

On another note listen to what everyone is saying ^^ deal with mental health before you go into AAS. You could be fine on cycle feeling good then PCT hits you like a brick shithouse.

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So… is a brick shithouse made of bricks of shit, or is it an actaul brick house filled with shit inside? These are things you really need to be clear on before posting

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I have only known a few people that have gotten bad anxiety on weed, without being someone anxiety prone already.

As far as anxiety goes though the test itself will lessen that IMO, provided your estrogens are not flying all over the place. Its when your hormones aren’t steady that you experience any mood swings.

Natural hormones keep your test levels variable throughout the day, and steady throughout the week. Weekly or bi weeky injections would keep you hormones steady throughout a day, and variable throughout the week IIRC

The more frequent injections you take, even with longer esters, will result in more steady blood levels.

The effects on mood are subtle, like a general sense of well being and an increased libido, mostly positive. It would be barely noticeable from a 60mg shot. You will probably notice maybe 150-200, a typical HRT dose. However being prone to anxiety or depression may be indicative of a hormonal imbalance already, which could be exacerbated by playing with exogenous hormones, especially when you come off. Something to consider

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[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
So… is a brick shithouse made of bricks of shit, or is it an actaul brick house filled with shit inside? These are things you really need to be clear on before posting[/quote]

It is a brick house filled with shit. When it hits you it spills everywhere then you’re up to your neck with shit.

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[quote]DoctorJekyll wrote:

[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
So… is a brick shithouse made of bricks of shit, or is it an actaul brick house filled with shit inside? These are things you really need to be clear on before posting[/quote]

It is a brick house filled with shit. When it hits you it spills everywhere then you’re up to your neck with shit.[/quote]

Damn op you better watch out that doesn’t sound like a good time

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[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:

[quote]DoctorJekyll wrote:

[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
So… is a brick shithouse made of bricks of shit, or is it an actaul brick house filled with shit inside? These are things you really need to be clear on before posting[/quote]

It is a brick house filled with shit. When it hits you it spills everywhere then you’re up to your neck with shit.[/quote]

Damn op you better watch out that doesn’t sound like a good time[/quote]

and shit’ll get in your mouth, so next time you shit, you’re shitting out second hand shit!

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[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:

[quote]DoctorJekyll wrote:

[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
So… is a brick shithouse made of bricks of shit, or is it an actaul brick house filled with shit inside? These are things you really need to be clear on before posting[/quote]

It is a brick house filled with shit. When it hits you it spills everywhere then you’re up to your neck with shit.[/quote]

Damn op you better watch out that doesn’t sound like a good time[/quote]

and shit’ll get in your mouth, so next time you shit, you’re shitting out second hand shit![/quote]

Holy shit! That sounds like shit!

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[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:

[quote]DoctorJekyll wrote:

[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
So… is a brick shithouse made of bricks of shit, or is it an actaul brick house filled with shit inside? These are things you really need to be clear on before posting[/quote]

It is a brick house filled with shit. When it hits you it spills everywhere then you’re up to your neck with shit.[/quote]

Damn op you better watch out that doesn’t sound like a good time[/quote]

and shit’ll get in your mouth, so next time you shit, you’re shitting out second hand shit![/quote]

Holy shit! That sounds like shit!
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Its pretty crappy.

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DoctorJekyll and c.m.l. both very helpful replies :slight_smile: ive weighed the pros against the cons and im going to go ahead and run a cycle just a basic beginners test cycle with some dbol to start it off. And about the hallucination shit the aas that we buy isn’t exactly regulated so its a real possibility that the very few people who have experienced hallucinations have had cut gear.

So yeah anyway what made me think i could handle it is that ive never suffered from anxiety or depression before the incident and recovered after with virtually no psychological side effects now. If i had a unbalance then i would think i would have experienced the anxiety and depression before the weed. After all weed cant exactly cause a hormonal problem lol and seriously whats the worst that can happen? i get depression for a while ive heard of people with bipolar taking steroids if they can im sure i will be fine considering i dont even have a mental illness.

1-10 500mg testosterone e
1-2 30mg Dbol
3-4 40mg Dbol

pct Nolvadex 40/30/25/25

I do see what you guys mean about the more injections the more stable it will be so would i be best switching to a shorter acting testosterone ester? maby testosterone p?

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your cycle is fine. I’d just run the dbol at 40mg from the get go.

And if you find yourself having urges to kill John Lennon, or strangely obsessed with Jodie Foster, seek medical help.

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I still don’t remember you saying anything about how much you weigh, how strong you are or how you train, any pics, anything at all?

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Thanks yogi lol i sure will seek medical help if i experience any of them strange obsessions or feelings lol.

MikeRich982 i posted some stats on the previous page

6’ 203lbs bench 280lbs body fat somewhere between 14% and 16% currently cutting 2800 calories a day take away 500 from 30 minutes on the treadmill i do the cardio most days.

Saturday Shoulders/Triceps
Standing overhead military press
Dumbbell side lateral raise
Barbell upright row

Sunday Back and Traps/Bicep
Chin ups
Barbell shrug
Single arm dumbbell row
Barbell deadlifts
Barbell curls
Dumbbell hammer curls

Monday Chest and Legs/Abs
Bench press
Dumbbell flys
Incline bench press
Squat
Calf raises
Dumbbell stepping lunge
Stiff legged deadlifts
Weighted crunch
Weighted situps

Tuesday

Wednesday Shoulders/Triceps
Standing overhead military press
Dumbbell side lateral raise
Barbell upright row

Thursday Back and Traps/Bicep
Chin ups
Barbell shrug
Single arm dumbbell row
Deadlifts
Barbell curls
Dumbbell hammer curls

Friday Chest and Legs/Abs
Bench press
Dumbbell flys
Incline bench press
Squat
Calf raises
Dumbbell stepping lunge
Stiff legged deadlifts
Weighted crunch

Most of the compound lifts i do 8 sets and 8 reps im also aware that i could probably put on another 20 lbs or more naturally but the edge of some aas would be highly beneficial even though i know probably doing it a little early.

Thanks

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that’s a really bad routine

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[quote]Yogi wrote:
that’s a really bad routine[/quote]

So thats why im still 203lbs? any advice on what to change before starting cycle lol.

Tried to include atleast 3 different exercises for each muscle group.

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Mate it is all fucked up.

Your shoulders and triceps day has 3 exercises. None of which are triceps exercises! Think about that for a second. Your triceps day has zero triceps exercises. Does that sound right to you?

Your back/biceps day is ok I guess, but why are you combining chest and legs? That makes no sense.

And you don’t have a single rear delt exercise!

So fuck that routine. Do this one instead. Just do it, and don’t complain or ask any questions. Just do it!

Monday - Chest

Decline Barbell Bench - work up to a top set of 5, 6 or 8 (should take you 4 or 5 sets)
Incline Dumbell Press - 5 x 8-12
Low to High Cable Flyes - 4 x 10-20
Decline Cable Flyes - 4 x 10-20
Pec Dec - 3 x 10 - 15 (make last set a dropset)

Tuesday - Back

40 reps of chins/pull ups/neutral grip chins in as many sets as it takes, or however many you can do in 10 mins
Pulldown (different grip to the grip you used for chins) - 4 x 8 -15
Chest Supported Row (if you don’t have the machine lie on an incline bench) - 5 x 8-15
Prone Ys - 3 x 20
Reverse Pec Dec (if you don’t have one, switch gyms) - 3 x 8 -15

Wednesday - Legs

Front Squats - work up to heavy 5, 6 or 8
Leg Press - 4 x 10-20
Lunges - 4 x 8 -15
Leg Curls - 4 x 8-12
Romanian Deadlifts - 3 x 20

Thursday - Shoulders

Reverse Pec Dec - 3 x 8 - 15
Rear Delt Fly (lie on incline bench) - 3 x 10 - 30 (you read that right, 30 reps motherfucker)
Lateral Raises - 4 x 10-20
Smith High Incline Press - 5 x 8-12

Friday - Arms (all of these are supersets so do one exercise, straight into the other without rest)

Pushdowns/Reverse Cable Curls - 3 x 8-15
Reverse Grip Pushdowns/Cable Curls - 3 x 8-15
Overhead Cable Extensions/Hammer Curls - 3 x 8-15
PJR pullovers/Concentration Curls - 3 x 8-15

Do some abs work at the end of leg day and/or arm day if you feel you must. Take the weekend off to go out and drink beer and get laid. Make sure you get your protein in though.

There. I don’t want to hear any argument. Do this routine.

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As yogi said, you kinda fucked up by having no triceps on tricep day… By the looks of your training, you need to go to BB.com and get some solid training down. You mention you bench 280, what are your squat and dead numbers? Also pictures so we can see your physique/body comp.

Also, you cant put on another 20lbs or so naturally. You can put on a shit load more. I was a skinny ecto fuck and i put on almost 100lbs naturally before i went near AAS.

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Why don’t you post pictures of yourself? Somehow I think that your numbers might be as inflated as how educated you think you are on a few subjects mentioned. With such a junk routine I’d expect your eating to be just as weak, and at 23 you still have no business in AAS with this big of a knowledge gap.

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Wait a fucking second, you deadlift 4 times a week? I feel like I’m taking your self prescribed crazy pills. I see that they’re different types of deads but wtf, back to back days too?