Hi guys just signed up to this great forum as found some very helpful threads when searching google.
Ive been considering running a cycle since i was 18 now 23 years old im aware thats a little younger than recommended right? but i feel ive got my training more than dialled in and diet is pretty good so im definitely considering it as ive been training since i was 15 only got serious about age 18. Now the only thing thats causing me some worry is the fact that i had a very strange reaction to marijuana a while ago and it caused psychotic symptoms for a number of months was over a year before i felt normal lol. Now im not blaming the marijuana as everyones different and i believe i just had a strange psychological reaction or something.
To go into some more details i smoked pot at a party had a number of panic attacks and taken a valium. Next day and for a number of months after i had derealization, depersonalization, paranoia, anxiety attacks and the worst of them all was vertigo that i seemed to have 24/7 for the first month or so then it gone to just feeling off balanced. After about 6 months the vertigo mostly gone. Anyway for for about a year after i still had some not so normal symptoms such as compulsions and similar but i was always able to handle them and they was never more than a thought if you get me. I never gone for medical help as i self prescribed benzos for a while to deal with the anxiety and i seemed to recover fully i dont have any noticeable symptoms or behaviour things that are not normal now.
Now in the same time that i had the problems with the marijuana i was also in some serious legal trouble as i chose to go down a how should i put it not so legitimate employment path? this lead me to be facing a hefty prison sentence and that im assuming could have added big style to the mental problems i was experiencing. So the marijuana could have just amplified my legal problems im really not sure i just know that i dont have any of the problems now.
So i have no diagnosed mental illnesses although my reaction to marijuana and the persistent symptoms for over a year are sure not a normal thing. But as i said i dont have any of the problems now just get anxious in some situations
So my question is would it be fucking insane to experiment with AAS? With my strange reaction to marijuana is it not likely that i could also have a strange reaction to steroids? ive only ever taken medical prescribed steroids in the past.
Sorry for the damn essay lol and Appreciate any replies
You say you have taken medically prescribed steroids in the past? Are we talking as or corticosteroids, HUGE difference. Why do you think weed and steroids have anything to do with eachother as far as reactions go, again, huge difference. Being on steroids does not give you a euphoric feeling if that’s what you think?
Some people experience increased anxiety on certain compounds and you sound like a somewhat paranoid individual, everyone respond differently you’ll just have to try and see but you better know what you are doing
I don’t see how a little weed could cause you such problems especially for a year, sounds like you mind fucked yourself on that one.
The issues i experienced im assuming had alot to do with the panic attacks that i had for weeks after smoking the weed. Only got rid of the panic attacks when i prescribed myself lorazepam. Im in no doubt that weed wouldn’t cause you symptoms for more than a short time but that, the panic attacks or something sure triggered a psychological reaction that lasted a long time lol maby psychosis or something.
Did smoke weed when i was about 12 and had no problems only had the problems after the panic attacks so probably did mind fuck myself lol.
I know roids have no similarities to pot i was just thinking that i could have some kind of mental illness and im not sure how mental illness and steroids mix? but then if i had a mental illness i would have problems now right they dont just cure themselves lol. Im sure what i had was just temporary psychosis.
Im just overthinking all this would it be wise to try like a test dose? 1/4 of the normal dose?
Im just overthinking this shit been looking at to many websites saying aas cause hallucinations in 5% of users and other stuff lol. But thats a possible side effect on the label of aspirin i think so no more doctors websites lol.
Was considering dbol and test as first cycle from my online research both should not increase anxiety levels.
I believe in transperancy between doctors and patients, i.e. i tell my doc what im on, how long and how much so he can keep me as healthy as possible (he does not perscribe) but he provides his medical opinion. Here in Australia doctors can only share your medical information if you intend to directly hurt yourself or others (i.e. self harm or violence/hurting others) and as far as i am aware that doesnt affect my health cover. That being said here is my 0.02.
Dont self prescribe when you dont have a clear understanding of your condition (if you have one). Go see a doc if you have anxiety issues and tell him whats going on and what you’ve experienced so that he can advise you from there.
If you think whatever you have going on mentally and AAS may conflict talk to your doc about it and take it into consideration.
Appreciate the replies but honestly i would tell my doctor if i do decide to cycle but i dont think i would go to my doctor and ask his opinion on using ass. Afterall what doctor will tell you its ok to ramp your test up 500mg plus synthetically? i dont know how it works with doctors in Australia but here i can just imagine how that conversation would go lol. Plus i never told my doctor about my not so normal symptoms or the anxiety as i only taken the lorazepam for a few months and stopped them.
After cutting the benzos my anxiety wasn’t worse and after about a year all symptoms mostly disappeared and i felt back to normal. Spoken to my uncle about it as hes a psychiatric nurse and he said the weed caused the anxiety attacks and because i left the anxiety attacks for so long they most likely caused the psychosis which taken months to fully go.
So basically now i dont think i have any mental illness as i do not have symptoms now and all the symptoms i had where temporary even though some lasting up to a year.
All im really wondering now is
Can aas really cause hallucinations?
How much do people from here personally think it can raise aggression levels?
Would it be ok to try a low dosage to see for any negative effects?
Should you feel any effects from first injection? elevated mood? or anything?
You seem very high strung. I would be more concerned with getting the anxiety under control. Low test can cause anxiety so maybe a cycle would actually help but then again it could make it worse. No doctor is going to recommend you start a cycle of steroids. But he may be able to help am underlying issue causing your anxiety if there is one.
Yogi lol yeah i get you eatliftsleep and your totally right if i was still suffering from the anxiety i wouldn’t be considering any steroids but because ive felt fine virtually no anxiety for a while ive been thinking about starting a cycle.
What made me question the idea was the amount of medical websites saying about adverse reactions like hallucinations lol that shit just does’t sound to good but fuck it as im just not gaining enough now so going to atleast give them a shot.
Will do abit more research like on vendors then get a order in for all the stuff.
And read that on cycle its ment to be good for anxiety but when coming off mood can drop is that what you mean when you say can make anxiety worse eatliftsleep? going to give them a try anyway because i will just keep thinking about doing them if not lol.
Didn’t you say you’ve done a lot of research? Your post seems to say otherwise. 1/4 the “normal dose” What’s the normal dose?? you’re way off. Start over from scratch. Sounds like you have some other issues that make me wanna say AAS are not what you need right now.
[quote]MikeRich928 wrote:
Didn’t you say you’ve done a lot of research? Your post seems to say otherwise. 1/4 the “normal dose” What’s the normal dose?? you’re way off. Start over from scratch. Sounds like you have some other issues that make me wanna say AAS are not what you need right now.[/quote]
Well i wanted to run one at 18 and ive been on and off researching since then got a full cycle together then changed my mind when i was 20 lol. So yeah i would say ive done atleast as much research as most people do before running them if not more. When i said 1/4 the normal dose i was referring to 1/4 of the normal dose i planned to use throughout the cycle. So 500mg a week divided into 2 250mg shots a week. So i was asking if it would be a bad idea to try say a 60mg shot first.
I had plenty of issues that i needed to address i dont have any now and haven’t had any for a while which was why i was considering ass. Mainly posted this question to see if people thought that running them could cause any serious issues and basically if all the shit that is said about possible hallucinations was a possible side effect.
Thanks for your opinion though i will take it into consideration although i feel i will probably be doing them as they are completely different than marijuana. Unless anyone has any first hand experience on the hallucination thing?
steroids do NOT cause hallucinations. I have no idea where you’re getting that from.
I don’t mean to be harsh, but you’re clearly a bit insane. Do you really think taking steroids is such a good idea?
Your mental health is way more important than your physique, and while steroids are not psychoactive in the same way party drugs are, they can play hell with your emotions. Seriously, I know huge big guys that’ll burst into tears and be like “I’m sorry buuuhuhuhu, it’s just my hormones buhuhuhuuu.”
Do you really think you are in a position to be able to handle that?
Have you ever seen the sonic commercial where the guy keeps a journal of all the times his Mind gets blown. Well I need to start keeping one of those. I’m blown away at how ridiculous people sound on here. WTF are you even talking about… marijuana, hallucinations… done a lot of research and want to take 60mg doses. Jesus man. The answer is NO, you should not take AAS. You aren’t ready, and I think you need serious mental health evaluation. Not kidding
Im going to be honest here and say both of you need to seriously assess your knowledge outside the aas world. If someone has recreational drug induced anxiety and psychosis then they need a mental health evaluation and they are clearly a bit insane? i really need to ask what is abit insane? again as i said above i dont consider temporary drug induced psychosis to be a bit insane or someone that needs mental health evaluation.
You guys really make the aas community look unbelievably uneducated im not talking uneducated regarding steroids as im sure your knowledge all far outweights mine as i have no experience whatsoever with roids. But clearly the way you view people that get anxiety temporary through drugs is quite pathetic.
I DO not need a mental health evaluation and i do NOT consider myself to be a bit crazy. Yes i also do not know how i would react to hormonal changes as in bursting into tears but i dont see why i would be at a greater problem than anyone else that starts aas because as i said my MENTAL health is stable accept for the temporary blip of psychosis and anxiety that i suffered from again due to drug experimentation.
Also what is the problem with trying a first dosage of around 60mg? again its common sense if my body naturally only produces 5 to 7mg of testosterone why not try a much lower amount than i would intend to run throughout the cycle to see how i react to it? why pump 250mgs when you dont know how you will react wouldn’t it be safer to try a lower dose as a first injection? this is generally how it goes with most designer research chemicals so i dont see why it would be any different with steroids. Its simply seeing how you react without putting in a a lot of it.
But i will say it one last time just to make it crystal clear lol how is having temporary anxiety and psychosis that was drug induced make someone any less mentally stable than any of you guys on this board because as the name says it is temporary.
Forgot to add damn tell me you guys can use google? because it really should not be hard to tell where i got the hallucinations thing from. Simply type anabolic steroid side effects into google and you will get page after page of side effects including ones mentioning hallucinations. So now im not normal or something for asking a valid question wether anyone has experienced hallucinations like a great deal of websites suggest that you can.]
Anyone need more sources? im simply asking a question on hallucinations and whether its possible from aas use because a lot of websites seem to think it is. I didn’t know whether it was or was not a common side effect so i figured asking on a steroid forum would maby get me a expert answer. Seems like the only answers im getting is your crazy and need mental help lmao.
noone is judging your issues with anxiety. People are judging you because of your post. You’re comparing apples and oranges, talking about hallucinations from AAS which i dont know where you’re getting that from, and discussing what sound like potentially serious issues that don’t sound totally resolved to me.
In short, your post is illogical and uneducated. You make no mention of your weight, strength, etc… I’d be very concerned about you taking AAS. You don’t sound ready, neither from the point of view of understanding what you’re doing or from the point of view of being ready to use them. Period.
I have never heard of someone having hallucinations man. You can probly find evidence of people going blind from eating chicken, growing feathers maybe too. There are rare side effects for every drug ever created. To me, you just sound paranoid discussing such off the wall stuff… If you have a history of hallucinations and mental illness or anything like that then once again, i’m gonna go ahead and say NO don’t do it.
[quote]MikeRich928 wrote:
Didn’t you say you’ve done a lot of research? Your post seems to say otherwise. 1/4 the “normal dose” What’s the normal dose?? you’re way off. Start over from scratch. Sounds like you have some other issues that make me wanna say AAS are not what you need right now.[/quote]
[quote]CB7854 wrote:
Im going to be honest here and say both of you need to seriously assess your knowledge outside the aas world. If someone has recreational drug induced anxiety and psychosis then they need a mental health evaluation and they are clearly a bit insane? i really need to ask what is abit insane? again as i said above i dont consider temporary drug induced psychosis to be a bit insane or someone that needs mental health evaluation. [/quote]
you have a genetic predisposition to going a bit crazy. Genetics load the gun, environment pulls the trigger. If you weren’t genetically a bit crazy, smoking a bit of weed wouldn’t have made you crazy. There is probably a better word I could be using than “crazy”, admittedly, but you definitely have a predisposition towards… unbalance?
[quote]CB7854 wrote:
You guys really make the aas community look unbelievably uneducated im not talking uneducated regarding steroids as im sure your knowledge all far outweights mine as i have no experience whatsoever with roids. But clearly the way you view people that get anxiety temporary through drugs is quite pathetic.[/quote]
I never claimed to speak on behalf of the AAS community.
[quote]CB7854 wrote:
I DO not need a mental health evaluation and i do NOT consider myself to be a bit crazy. Yes i also do not know how i would react to hormonal changes as in bursting into tears but i dont see why i would be at a greater problem than anyone else that starts aas because as i said my MENTAL health is stable accept for the temporary blip of psychosis and anxiety that i suffered from again due to drug experimentation. [/quote]
you realise that 99.999999% of people are smoking up without having weird, lasting panic attack things? This is not normal. Once your mind starts being abnormal, you need a mental health evaluation. Maybe you’re not crazy, maybe you are, only by seeing a professional would you ever know.
[quote]CB7854 wrote:
Also what is the problem with trying a first dosage of around 60mg? again its common sense if my body naturally only produces 5 to 7mg of testosterone why not try a much lower amount than i would intend to run throughout the cycle to see how i react to it? why pump 250mgs when you dont know how you will react wouldn’t it be safer to try a lower dose as a first injection? this is generally how it goes with most designer research chemicals so i dont see why it would be any different with steroids. Its simply seeing how you react without putting in a a lot of it. [/quote]
Fine. Knock yourself out. Nothing will happen.
[quote]CB7854 wrote:
But i will say it one last time just to make it crystal clear lol how is having temporary anxiety and psychosis that was drug induced make someone any less mentally stable than any of you guys on this board because as the name says it is temporary.
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