[quote]zooropa1150 wrote:
I can’t wait until someone starts an argument similar to barry bond’s and mcgwire’s notion that steroids don’t help in hitting a baseball. [/quote]
you’re right, taking steroids totally improves your striking/hand eye coordination/ and all other skill work! Man why isn’t everyone taking steroids!?
If only they were smashin AS MANY homers before the roidz.
[quote]Beershoes wrote:
[quote]zooropa1150 wrote:
I can’t wait until someone starts an argument similar to barry bond’s and mcgwire’s notion that steroids don’t help in hitting a baseball. [/quote]
you’re right, taking steroids totally improves your striking/hand eye coordination/ and all other skill work! Man why isn’t everyone taking steroids!?[/quote]
C’mon now, don’t be deliberately obtuse. I think most people who are somewhat educated in steroids know that the power of doping for athletics is so tied to recovery. The first time I ever seriously rolled the session lasted about 90 minutes and I could barely drive my car home.
If steroids allow some of these pros to train 6 hours a day instead of 4, there’s no doubt it could indirectly lead to better technique. If steroids allow somebody to maintain a higher level of strength and muscle mass while doing less in the weight room, they can be fresher for their skill training.
I think it’s naive to think that steroids turn you into a monster with the reflexes of Spiderman, but equally naive to think that they can’t help (directly or indirectly) with how somebody executes technique.
[quote]Beershoes wrote:
Honestly… who cares? Let em do what they feel they need to, steroids don’t help your skills.
and, concerning Ubereem:
Come on, that’s not shit to do with roids, he’s got skill. He’s big, and mean, and a brawler. Doesn’t mean the roids are making him win.
and:
you’re right, taking steroids totally improves your striking/hand eye coordination/ and all other skill work! Man why isn’t everyone taking steroids!?
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@Ubereem: and yet he chooses the needle, why is that?
Steroids can have a huge effect:
helping to recover, helping to train with/through injuries
helping you to be stronger, more aggressive.
helping to preserve muscle, strength - esp when making weight
etc.
also:helping to extend workout duration, thereby helping you develop a BETTER TECHNIQUE!
the last point cannot be overstressed: good technique, contrary to what many TMA fans want to believe, doesn’t necessarily comes with (mega or giga)repetition.
Often , it hits you or your nervous system like an epiphany.
Or you gradually explore a newfound technique-twist in an especcially good session.
The alpha state, a fresh but sharp mental attitude, that’s what you’re after. And oh so many little things can severly limit this state of mind. Steroids, along with other chemicals -natural or synthesisized, can help you attain or prolong it- for a HUGE effect.
[quote]Beershoes wrote:
Honestly… who cares? Let em do what they feel they need to, steroids don’t help your skills.[/quote]
To which I reply…HAHAHAHAHA…good fucking luck.
I know too many people that have used PED’s ( and know what they are doing…which is key) to think they should be fighting non-juiced guys. The kind of guy that is driven to train…train train train…eat right…train train train…and use PED’s…has a huge advantage over someone not using.
They dont belong in the same ring/cage/mat…whatever.
[quote]Beershoes wrote:
[quote]zooropa1150 wrote:
I can’t wait until someone starts an argument similar to barry bond’s and mcgwire’s notion that steroids don’t help in hitting a baseball. [/quote]
you’re right, taking steroids totally improves your striking/hand eye coordination/ and all other skill work! Man why isn’t everyone taking steroids!?[/quote]
Well…through the 80’s an 90’s most did. NESN estimates that outside kickers and QB’s more than 90% of NFL players have used or are using steroids or HGH…
Sure, using PED may not improve your hand eye…but moving that bat just a LITTLE faster turns that foulball or pop fly into a Home run. But I guess Manny, A-rod, Sammy, Mark, Barry, and the other 2000 baseball players that tested positive did it for nothing right?
Please, stop being so fucking stupid.
[quote]Valor wrote:
[quote]Beershoes wrote:
[quote]zooropa1150 wrote:
I can’t wait until someone starts an argument similar to barry bond’s and mcgwire’s notion that steroids don’t help in hitting a baseball. [/quote]
you’re right, taking steroids totally improves your striking/hand eye coordination/ and all other skill work! Man why isn’t everyone taking steroids!?[/quote]
Well…through the 80’s an 90’s most did. NESN estimates that outside kickers and QB’s more than 90% of NFL players have used or are using steroids or HGH…
Sure, using PED may not improve your hand eye…but moving that bat just a LITTLE faster turns that foulball or pop fly into a Home run. But I guess Manny, A-rod, Sammy, Mark, Barry, and the other 2000 baseball players that tested positive did it for nothing right?
Please, stop being so fucking stupid.[/quote]
A little off topic but corked baseball bats been proven to actually shorten the distance a person can hit a ball, so I guess all those players that used them did it for nothing then either… man baseball players must be idiots.
I would imagine pure strength would not have a significant impact on the outcome of an mma fight, but i dont know much about mma.
Valor, you can’t be serious. I’m not saying steroids won’t give you any advantage, I’m just saying it’s not going to make me win a fight against anderson silva. They might help you recover, get bigger, or stronger, but all to a negligible effect if you’re not doing the work. The way I see it, they allow an athlete to work harder, and still recover.
Good to see this post has expanded. Skills training is def a big part of mma, but when you take into account all other factors which usually determine the fight you can see how skills by itself will rarely win a fight.
When training for mma the following usually needs to addressed on a weekly basis -
Boxing/muay thai, Freestyle wrestling, Bjj, mma sparring, strength work, some sort of high intensty cardio.
When you add all these things into a training week - i can tell you recovery and being fresh for next session is everything. I agree they def wont make you beat silva in a fight because the comp levels are so different. But as competition gets more even such as if silva fought chael sonnen you can see the significant difference - thats the way i see it.
[quote]Petermus wrote:
I would imagine pure strength would not have a significant impact on the outcome of an mma fight, but i dont know much about mma.[/quote]
ITs not about the ‘gains’ you get in strength that athletes in MMA would use for
its for recovery.
recover faster= train harder and more often.
Ive seen steroids work against some people in a fight actually. Theres some guys i know who take steroids and dont even think about it, dont talk about it, dont get aggresive towards other peolpe etc etc…they reap the benefits but it doenst affect them mentally and they dont walk around like superman…
on the other hand i know guys who as soon as they do a shot its iike they just got hit with the gamma rays from the incredible hulk movie and they try to lift lift like monsters and when they grapple they rush the other guy and do aggresive moves and attempt silly things because they think they have super juice flowing threw them…
ive seen these type of guys get tapped fairly east because of their mindset that roids make them unstoppable…this all might sound kinda stupid but its really what ive noticed…