[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]Zerpp wrote:
I would say someone who has records, local, state, national, world. To be honest it’s not about the numbers, I’ve always been told that if you love what you do you’ll be the best you can be at it. A 181-pound lifter can lift for 20 or so years but not total Elite or Masters, but I would still consider him strong because he’s been in the sport for so long.[/quote]
I think I get what you’re TRYING to say…but it sounds an awful lot like justifying a guy lifting in the 181’s all his life while never even accomplishing significant strength goals. I know people who’ve been in the gym longer than me, and yet after 5ish years of serious training I’m strong than they ever were or will be. I’m not saying that to brag, my point is that sheer time spent under the bar doesn’t mean much without the achievements to back it up. [/quote]
I get what you’re saying, but I do think records can be useful, if someone’s looking for some kind of comparison, especially if they’re looked at in full perspective within age categories.
For example, the 181-pound, 18-19 yr old (the OP here is 19) NY state raw records are: 425 squat, 303 bench, 435 deadlift. If the OP wanted to set a five-year goal and wanted some kind of concrete reference point, he could look at the 20-24 yr old category: 463 squat, 320 bench, 505 deadlift.
It’s something to refer to as a point of reference, some kind of goal to aim towards rather than the vague-but-hardcore-sounding “just lift more tomorrow than you did yesterday”. But those records shouldn’t be seen as a limitation or the be-all, end-all goal.
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]Zerpp wrote:
I would say someone who has records, local, state, national, world. To be honest it’s not about the numbers, I’ve always been told that if you love what you do you’ll be the best you can be at it. A 181-pound lifter can lift for 20 or so years but not total Elite or Masters, but I would still consider him strong because he’s been in the sport for so long.[/quote]
I think I get what you’re TRYING to say…but it sounds an awful lot like justifying a guy lifting in the 181’s all his life while never even accomplishing significant strength goals. I know people who’ve been in the gym longer than me, and yet after 5ish years of serious training I’m strong than they ever were or will be. I’m not saying that to brag, my point is that sheer time spent under the bar doesn’t mean much without the achievements to back it up. [/quote]
I get what you’re saying, but I do think records can be useful, if someone’s looking for some kind of comparison, especially if they’re looked at in full perspective within age categories.
For example, the 181-pound, 18-19 yr old (the OP here is 19) NY state raw records are: 425 squat, 303 bench, 435 deadlift. If the OP wanted to set a five-year goal and wanted some kind of concrete reference point, he could look at the 20-24 yr old category: 463 squat, 320 bench, 505 deadlift.
It’s something to refer to as a point of reference, some kind of goal to aim towards rather than the vague-but-hardcore-sounding “just lift more tomorrow than you did yesterday”. But those records shouldn’t be seen as a limitation or the be-all, end-all goal.[/quote]
I should clarify…I was responding to the second part of his post, not the first part, about records. Because really, that contradicts the second part of his post. If holding records at some level is what qualifies someone as strong, then how can you say numbers don’t matter? Does not compute.