How do you know that the dose needs to be increased, as opposed to decreased? Are there specific symptoms that point to that? Or, are you strictly going by numbers?
For me personally, 100mg didn’t alleviate my symptoms, so we tried more. Is that pretty much standard?
How long has she been taking that dose? Any idea where her levels are?
Not sure about this forum, but in the world, I think that is very accurate.
Hmmm.
So are just your new guys needing more exogenous T?
The two comments above imply a very non-normal distribution in your patient population.
Or perhaps they notice a big difference between 150 and 160 mg/week? Or everyone is sitting at 160 mg/week? Of course the last part doesn’t follow from the table you shared.
What world? You are referring to the sum total of injectable testosterone users in the US including both in network and cash pay anti aging clinics practicing TRT/TOT/whatever?
Either that is terrifying if true or you’ve been hanging out at A4M too much 
. If true what would that indicate for the mean TT level for patients on T therapy based on what i shared above?
Any reference you can point me to? Off to insurance records for one leg of this group. I will have to find that data i tried sharing with Danny which he dismisses since those patients weren’t “optimized”.
Send me the new table when you can. Now you have got me really curious about the stats of your current patient dosing. Thank you @highpull.
20mg weekly is often way to much for women.
Not in magic TOT world.
#fill_me_with_T_till_Optimized
@Andrewgen_Receptors for your next project take your special meme ( you know the one) and have the person on the couch be “TRT newbie” and the back row persons be the “TOT docs”.
That would be something 
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Dear Sweet Heaven. Oy my goodness, you got serious skillz my Brother!
Thank you for that.
May the Lord and @lordgains deeply bless TNation and @Andrewgen_Receptors!
You mean women with beards. My sister tried TRT at very, very low doses and grew facial hair.
Are we in TRT? Pharma? Who the heck knows. Oh yeah, nevermind it’s magical TOT land where your source and “medical provider” are all rolled into one. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Carry on.
#informed_consent_w/TOT
I’m not following the question.
I would think no. Sorry, I’m not sure what you’re looking for here either.
I guess my world, which includes 1000s I know, other practitioner’s experience and the underground guys. I just believe enackers is correct. For the majority of guys on TRT, 150 a week would be the minimum. I understand you’re a data guy, but I am just giving an opinion based on experiences. No evidence. I wouldn’t be terrified.
I have no way to determine the answer to that question. No reference.
You are welcome. It’s been a while, but I think the samples were intended for comparison of dosing and injection frequency with total and free testosterone levels, with SHBG and E2 thrown in as well. I would not read much into it, there were only fifty. For all I know they just started with the As and recorded the numbers. I have idea how long they had been on TRT or dosing history. I think the take home message would be the different results across individuals, even among those with the same protocols.
They felt nothing, zero. No change at all.
I think so. I would bet heavily that 100mg would not be enough to help. Nothing wrong with trying though, especially if one is patient. Most I see are not and would rather push it. Once the decision to start TRT is made, they want results asap.
See nice review article linked therein…
Don’t let human physiology and a little science get in the way on your path to OPTIMIZED. Just make sure you know what you are optimizing.
That’s what TRT is all about, symptom relief, and once we start pushing our T doses beyond the point of symptom relief, we are moving outside of the TRT arena.
You can do that on your own, buy the syringes online and get started.
Sorry i forgot to ask. Who is your source now?
I was wrong. shes more like 25, shes on cream not injections. i thought it was around 50, but yah free t is low around 5 like women should have. i shouldn’t of said that.
Please please Brother I beg you to learn some units and ref ranges. How can you not understand this stuff being a former admin for the TOT Facebook group?
fT for woman as in 5 ng/dl or 5 pg/ml?
So your wife’s provider is running her 8x over the upper reference range for females (5/0.63 = 7.9)?
Please share bloodwork so I can help you understand this if you’d like. Let’s confirm units and ref ranges. I hope this is a units misunderstanding.
Do you see the lower ref range there for a man?
52 pg/ml = 5.2 ng/dl.
Her level was wrong. i mentioned that earlier. shes on cream, not injections. i did the math wrong.
I got the first part.
My comments were about this part:
Reread my questions. Or maybe @highpull can help you since you trust him.
Please don’t ignore this.
