pics or it didn’t happen
When would be the time to take in high GI carbs and when low GI carbs?
How about… brown rice or Ezikiel bread for breakfast. Same thing pre-workout, and I’ll usually go lift after breakfast. So that like an hour before breakfast and then an apple or something 20 minutes before?
When would I want to eat white rice or oatmeal?
You almost sound like you have an ED of some sort.
1100 cals? You realize that for a female below 1200 cals is considered starvation since it’s impossible to meet your nutrient needs.
[quote]pro-a-ggression wrote:
oh and carb sources, basmati and brown are simular but opt for brown over white if ya wanna stay lean, choose sweet potatoes over potatoes and wholemeal over white bread, all smarter choices. in terms of oatmeal it agrees with some, doesnt with others, your insulin sensitivity should be real good, so maybe add carbs if you want in other meals, but dont go crazy.
oh and dont be afraid to eat junk food, its good for you 
well in taste and calories anyways :)[/quote]
It’s pretty retarded to recommend worry about the type of rice and potatoes one eats on one hand, while suggesting junk food on the other hand.
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
pro-a-ggression wrote:
oh and carb sources, basmati and brown are simular but opt for brown over white if ya wanna stay lean, choose sweet potatoes over potatoes and wholemeal over white bread, all smarter choices. in terms of oatmeal it agrees with some, doesnt with others, your insulin sensitivity should be real good, so maybe add carbs if you want in other meals, but dont go crazy.
oh and dont be afraid to eat junk food, its good for you well in taste and calories anyways 
It’s pretty retarded to recommend worry about the type of rice and potatoes one eats on one hand, while suggesting junk food on the other hand.[/quote]
LOL, true.
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You seem to like going to extremes, i.e. your previous bulk and then cutting on 1100 calories. Granted, I did an all out eat everything I could bulk last year, but I didn’t turn around and starve myself.
[quote]TheBigV wrote:
pics or it didn’t happen[/quote]
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
pro-a-ggression wrote:
oh and carb sources, basmati and brown are simular but opt for brown over white if ya wanna stay lean, choose sweet potatoes over potatoes and wholemeal over white bread, all smarter choices. in terms of oatmeal it agrees with some, doesnt with others, your insulin sensitivity should be real good, so maybe add carbs if you want in other meals, but dont go crazy.
oh and dont be afraid to eat junk food, its good for you well in taste and calories anyways
It’s pretty retarded to recommend worry about the type of rice and potatoes one eats on one hand, while suggesting junk food on the other hand.[/quote]
hey he wanted to know about carb sources so i gave an input. the fast food was just giving him a break from the hardcore dieting he has. like me he has years upon years of bulking (properly, whilst getting stronger) to do, so why restrict urself to such radical dieting.
He fucked up the first time, learn… dont do it again! But u dont have to be so diet restrictive so to speak, just dont go overboard and gain 2lbs a week for a year.
Thats all i was saying.
[quote]Artem wrote:
When would be the time to take in high GI carbs and when low GI carbs?
How about… brown rice or Ezikiel bread for breakfast. Same thing pre-workout, and I’ll usually go lift after breakfast. So that like an hour before breakfast and then an apple or something 20 minutes before?
When would I want to eat white rice or oatmeal?[/quote]
Oatmeal is good for any time.
White rice… I’d say 90mins-2 hours pre-workout or half hour after my workout if I run out of sweet potato (I have the meal earlier than usual)
It’s planning like that which helps you stay consistant with my diet, which is the most important thing by far.
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
Artem wrote:
When would be the time to take in high GI carbs and when low GI carbs?
How about… brown rice or Ezikiel bread for breakfast. Same thing pre-workout, and I’ll usually go lift after breakfast. So that like an hour before breakfast and then an apple or something 20 minutes before?
When would I want to eat white rice or oatmeal?
Oatmeal is good for any time.
White rice… I’d say 90mins-2 hours pre-workout or half hour after my workout if I run out of sweet potato (I have the meal earlier than usual)
It’s planning like that which helps you stay consistant with my diet, which is the most important thing by far.
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What’s the difference between white rice and oatmeal? Aren’t they both just high GI carbs?
my understanding was that oatmeal is low GI… and depending on which type of white rice you are eating they can be pretty high GI
There is a big difference in different types of oatmeal. The GI of flavored quaker oatmeal will be much higher than other types or oatemal, or better yet steel cut oats.
[quote]Artem wrote:
Goodfellow wrote:
Artem wrote:
When would be the time to take in high GI carbs and when low GI carbs?
How about… brown rice or Ezikiel bread for breakfast. Same thing pre-workout, and I’ll usually go lift after breakfast. So that like an hour before breakfast and then an apple or something 20 minutes before?
When would I want to eat white rice or oatmeal?
Oatmeal is good for any time.
White rice… I’d say 90mins-2 hours pre-workout or half hour after my workout if I run out of sweet potato (I have the meal earlier than usual)
It’s planning like that which helps you stay consistant with my diet, which is the most important thing by far.
What’s the difference between white rice and oatmeal? Aren’t they both just high GI carbs?
[/quote]
I’m in the process of coming up with a diet right now and I’m checking out the stats for different foods.
brown rice:
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5707/2
white rice:
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5722/2
This lists the glycemic load of white rice lower than brown rice. I thought brown rice was the slow-digesting one.
I’m planning on using oatmeal and a banana for breakfast carbs, brown rice and sweet potatoes for carbs for my other earlier meals, and white rice or regular potatoes for post-workout carbs.
Does that sound right?
I feel bad for Artem, With the way your thinking about this “bulk” I think you are going to do as bad as you did last time… Just saying
[quote]optheta wrote:
I feel bad for Artem, With the way your thinking about this “bulk” I think you are going to do as bad as you did last time… Just saying[/quote]
Could you please stop posting in all of my threads?
[quote]Artem wrote:
optheta wrote:
I feel bad for Artem, With the way your thinking about this “bulk” I think you are going to do as bad as you did last time… Just saying
Could you please stop posting in all of my threads?[/quote]
Dam why all the hate? I love every T-Nationite
Okay, so here’s the diet I have laid out so far. Please tell me how it looks.
Meal 1 (Breakfast):
-3 whole eggs (213 cal, 18p, 15f, 0c)
-1.5 scoops whey (165 cal, 40p, 0f, 0c)
-1/2 cup oats (153 cal, 5p, 2.5f, 26c)
-1 banana (105 cal, 1p, 0f, 27c)
-Animal Pak (16 cal, 3p, 0f, 1c)
Meal 2 (Lunch):
-6 oz chicken breast (276 cal, 54p, 6f, 0c)
-1 cup sweet potatoes (180 cal, 4p, 0f, 41c)
Meal 3 (Pre-Workout):
-7 oz beef (287 cal, 49p, 7f, 0c)
-1 cup brown rice (216 cal, 5p, 2f, 45c)
LIFT
Meal 4 (Post-Workout):
-7 oz beef (287 cal, 49p, 7f, 0c)
-1 cup white rice (169 cal, 4p, 0f, 37c)
Meal 5 (Pre-Bed):
-8 oz salmon (464 cal, 48p, 24f, 0c)
-mixed vegetable salad
-Animal Omega (60 cal, 0p, 7f, 0c)
TOTAL:
Calories: 2591
Protein: 280g
Fat: 70g
Carbs: 179g
Before anyone says it, I won’t do 6 meals until I graduate school in a month, so this will do for now. And I don’t want dairy in my diet.
Also, I’ve been on keto and very low calories for a long time, so keep that in mind in regards to how I’ll rebound.
Thank you for any input.
[quote]Artem wrote:
Okay, so here’s the diet I have laid out so far. Please tell me how it looks.
Meal 1 (Breakfast):
-3 whole eggs (213 cal, 18p, 15f, 0c)
-1.5 scoops whey (165 cal, 40p, 0f, 0c)
-1/2 cup oats (153 cal, 5p, 2.5f, 26c)
-1 banana (105 cal, 1p, 0f, 27c)
-Animal Pak (16 cal, 3p, 0f, 1c)
Meal 2 (Lunch):
-6 oz chicken breast (276 cal, 54p, 6f, 0c)
-1 cup sweet potatoes (180 cal, 4p, 0f, 41c)
Meal 3 (Pre-Workout):
-7 oz beef (287 cal, 49p, 7f, 0c)
-1 cup brown rice (216 cal, 5p, 2f, 45c)
LIFT
Meal 4 (Post-Workout):
-7 oz beef (287 cal, 49p, 7f, 0c)
-1 cup white rice (169 cal, 4p, 0f, 37c)
Meal 5 (Pre-Bed):
-8 oz salmon (464 cal, 48p, 24f, 0c)
-mixed vegetable salad
-Animal Omega (60 cal, 0p, 7f, 0c)
TOTAL:
Calories: 2591
Protein: 280g
Fat: 70g
Carbs: 179g
Before anyone says it, I won’t do 6 meals until I graduate school in a month, so this will do for now. And I don’t want dairy in my diet.
Also, I’ve been on keto and very low calories for a long time, so keep that in mind in regards to how I’ll rebound.
Thank you for any input.[/quote]
After months on 1,100 calories a day (bad move IMO) , I’m not even sure how many calories you’ll need each day. I do highly doubt, it’ll be 2,600 like you have outlined above. This seriously looks like a diet I would cut on, not bulk. If you’re working out as hard as you’re supposed to be then there is no way this is going to cut it. I bulked pretty much during the same time period as you and got to a similar weight. (6’ 230). The difference was that my diet was there to support my strength gains. If I gained weight without significantly getting stronger, I made an adjustment.
The key, as other’s have said, is to focus on getting stronger and eating to sustain this goal. I don’t believe the diet above does this. By the time you hit 240 on your last bulk, you were doing 70x6 on incline dumbells and 60x10 on decline. These numbers need to be in the 100’s when you’re done with this bulk.
If your weight is currently stable at 1,100 Cals, then when you increase up to this amount you will get an initial rebound. With a 1,500 Calorie increase you have to expect increased glycogen, water and some fat.
Your meal choices look fine. If was to nitpick, I would say eat some more fruits and vegetables to get a greater spectrum of micronutrients and phytochemcicals, and that you could probably afford to eat more carbs post training if you wanted to. At 280g protein, you are a bit above the 1.5g threshold that some think is appopriate for natural trainees.
In reality, eating 6 meals will add no further benefit over 4 - 5 if Calories and nutrients are equal, so dont be tied to this ideal.
At 160lbs currently, this diet equates to roughly 16 x bodyweight. Which is a good starting point for mass gains. You will gain initially because your calories have been drastically low. When your bodyweight increases to compensate, the ratio between your calories and bodyweight will decrease, so, if you want to continue with the 16 x bodyweight thing, increase your nutrients to this value as neccesary. You may find that you need to take a more agressive approach and increase to 18 x say. You dont know until you try though. When you increase, look to increase fats and carbs primarily, I think you could probably hold protein as it is for a while yet.
Does your diet differ on non-training days and at the weekends?
Moral of the story, you have a base plan, stick to it, modify as neccessary.
I say give it a try since it is much cleaner than how you bulked the first time around, but from your progress last time it doesn’t seem like you handle carbs particularly well. You may want to try stick to a “paleo” type diet of meat, veggies, and some nuts and fruit and limit your main carb sources to around your workout.
Also, don’t try to force your body to gain weight so fast this time. It only impedes your progress in the long run, and you can’t force your physiology to use more calories to build muscle.
[quote]Artem wrote:
Okay, so here’s the diet I have laid out so far. Please tell me how it looks.
Meal 1 (Breakfast):
-3 whole eggs (213 cal, 18p, 15f, 0c)
-1.5 scoops whey (165 cal, 40p, 0f, 0c)
-1/2 cup oats (153 cal, 5p, 2.5f, 26c)
-1 banana (105 cal, 1p, 0f, 27c)
-Animal Pak (16 cal, 3p, 0f, 1c)
Meal 2 (Lunch):
-6 oz chicken breast (276 cal, 54p, 6f, 0c)
-1 cup sweet potatoes (180 cal, 4p, 0f, 41c)
Meal 3 (Pre-Workout):
-7 oz beef (287 cal, 49p, 7f, 0c)
-1 cup brown rice (216 cal, 5p, 2f, 45c)
LIFT
Meal 4 (Post-Workout):
-7 oz beef (287 cal, 49p, 7f, 0c)
-1 cup white rice (169 cal, 4p, 0f, 37c)
Meal 5 (Pre-Bed):
-8 oz salmon (464 cal, 48p, 24f, 0c)
-mixed vegetable salad
-Animal Omega (60 cal, 0p, 7f, 0c)
TOTAL:
Calories: 2591
Protein: 280g
Fat: 70g
Carbs: 179g
Before anyone says it, I won’t do 6 meals until I graduate school in a month, so this will do for now. And I don’t want dairy in my diet.
Also, I’ve been on keto and very low calories for a long time, so keep that in mind in regards to how I’ll rebound.
Thank you for any input.[/quote]