New Plan: Going for Strength

Training Beginners
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Well, I have always been the little guy when it came to sports. So at 13 I decided that if I couldn’t be as big as my competition I would be stronger. PL has always been my desire, but lately I’ve been really interested in BB. After football season ended, I lost some motivation, but next year I would like to amateur box…or BB.

In either case, I wish to gain weight. My goal last year was 40lbs but I was only able to get about 10. I’m constantly lying about my weight to my friends cause I’m embarrassed as hell.
Stats (1RM)
Bench: 235
Squat(Box): 335
Power Clean: 175 (ouch)

Height: 5’6
Weight: 119
BF: around 6%
Age: 17

*Disclaimer: Traps are lacking and so are quads

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I know what you’re going to say. EAT. eat eeeeat. Well i plan to just that. I’ve done all the calorie crunches they make you do in health class and daily i eat about 5k calories. But with the recently acquired of Controlled Lab’s Black Hole I can get just under 10k down. I’ve tried eating just about everything. Right now my diet is everything and anything. I hope to cycle Black Hole enough so that I can teach myself to eat that much without it.

I haven’t taken many supplements either. Still waiting for that small chance I’ll get some inches on my height yet (still a bit paranoid about creatine, etc). I take Whey and True Mass post-lifting/before I go to bed. I would trade what physique I have now for 50 or 60lbs in a second. What type of potential do you feel I may have?

This is my base, as I am starting over going for an all out mass attack. I’m considering not even lifting for a few months and sit on my ass, so the damn weight will stick…I don’t know. I’m thinking I’ll post new pics every 6 months or so and see how much I have gained.

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Well, if you either drop a couple of pounds of bodyweight or up your bench a little bit, you could set some new teenage powerlifting records.

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You definitely are strong. I weighed 180 at 17 and put up the same numbers. The exact same numbers. Never heard of Black Hole before. Mass gainer? Being 50-60 lbs heavier and fat is not the answer. I’m sure that’s not what you mean. Skinny guys want to be big, fat guys wish they were skinny, nobody wins. Anyway, welcome to the site. Lots of great info and knowledgeable people. Check out these links for great programs to gain strength and size:

Yes they are for beginners, but if you’ve been training PL, then it might just be a good change for you.

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Thanks for the warm welcome. As for records, the only one I was after was for my football team. “The 100 lb Club” i.e Bench 100 lbs in excess of ones weight. Nailed it in summer school. Obviously due to my size I still wasn’t considered for a starter for any defensive/offensive positions. But that didn’t stop me from beating unsuspecting ass on spec teams. Looking back it wasn’t worth it, but hell it made me strong.

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[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:
You definitely are strong. I weighed 180 at 17 and put up the same numbers. The exact same numbers. Never heard of Black Hole before. Mass gainer? Being 50-60 lbs heavier and fat is not the answer. I’m sure that’s not what you mean. Skinny guys want to be big, fat guys wish they were skinny, nobody wins. Anyway, welcome to the site. Lots of great info and knowledgeable people. Check out these links for great programs to gain strength and size:

Yes they are for beginners, but if you’ve been training PL, then it might just be a good change for you.[/quote]

Black hole is the first appetite enhancer of its kind (That I know of) except for maybe Grub On. It doesn’t make you hungry, but just never full. It boasts a formula for fast digestion and appetite gain. I have been impressed with it so far but maybe they’re just an expensive placebo. (Not extremely expensive:35$ for 90 capsules) Either way, at Fogo de Chao, an amazing brazilian steakhouse, I was able to pack on 4.25 lbs on before/after.

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[quote]HoneyGlazed wrote:
Either way, at Fogo de Chao, an amazing brazilian steakhouse, I was able to pack on 4.25 lbs on before/after. [/quote]

Is that the place where its $30 a person, all-you-can-eat? With every kind of meat under the sun? There’s one in the Chicago area if I’m not mistaken.

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[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:
HoneyGlazed wrote:
Either way, at Fogo de Chao, an amazing brazilian steakhouse, I was able to pack on 4.25 lbs on before/after.

Is that the place where its $30 a person, all-you-can-eat? With every kind of meat under the sun? There’s one in the Chicago area if I’m not mistaken.[/quote]

You are indeed correct. 661 N. LaSalle St. Chicago, IL. Not a daily event to say the least but definitely semi-annually or for celebrations. It’s worth it.

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You might want to follow USCTrojan’s Physique Clinic diet and routine. He put on 8 lbs in a month. You have similar body types. It should be at the top of the Bodybuilding threads.

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Thats impressive as hell. Some nice breakdowns. I’ll have to tweak it a bit. I don’t think I have enough money for more supplements but there’s no substitute for a juicy 12 oz steak and 3 eggs…

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You’re saying you weigh 119 and bench 235? If that is true, that is extremely impressive. I would like to know what types of workouts you do and what your calorie intake is.

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Well, recently I’ve been doing a routine based off the Bears off-season training; my coach’s got connections or something. Anyway I’ll post it tomorrow. (Monday-Friday & weekends off) My school is richer than it should be so we also get specific/personalized 12 week plans for each lift based on weight and original max to optimize strength gain. Its not perfect but you can adapt it to fit your growth. Regarding caloric intake - I aim for 3000-4000 calories on the weekdays and 5000 to 7000 on the weekends.

Monday for example:
7:30 AM English Muffin/2 eggs - 12 oz 2% chocolate milk
9:00 Apple, Fruit snacks candy, glazed donut (2x)
11:30 Cheeseburger(2x), chicken patty, 20 oz Gatorade, salted french fries, Doritos. (courtesy of school cafeteria)
4:45 PM Power Bar, pbj sandwich, 12 oz berry yogurt
6:05 meat ravioli, corn, shell macaroni and cheese, carrots (generous)
8:25 Ding dong, frosted flakes, pop-tart, pretzels (bag)
11:00 32 oz shake (ice cream, peanut butter, banana, True Mass gainer, chocolate milk)
2:00 AM 6 oz fruit yogurt, toast (butter/jelly), 6 oz ham

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[quote]CJE3200 wrote:
You’re saying you weigh 119 and bench 235? If that is true, that is extremely impressive. I would like to know what types of workouts you do and what your calorie intake is.[/quote]

Each week I do fluctuate from 117 to about 122. Can’t seem to get lower or higher than that. I think when I maxed that a few weeks ago, I was closer to the ladder weight. After picking the bar up I hate to even see the spotter unless I call for it; personal preference.

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Well keep eating big and lifting big. And keep up the good work man. Good luck to you in the future.

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[quote]HoneyGlazed wrote:
Well, recently I’ve been doing a routine based off the Bears off-season training; my coach’s got connections or something. Anyway I’ll post it tomorrow. (Monday-Friday & weekends off) My school is richer than it should be so we also get specific/personalized 12 week plans for each lift based on weight and original max to optimize strength gain. Its not perfect but you can adapt it to fit your growth. Regarding caloric intake - I aim for 3000-4000 calories on the weekdays and 5000 to 7000 on the weekends.

Monday for example:
7:30 AM English Muffin/2 eggs - 12 oz 2% chocolate milk
9:00 Apple, Fruit snacks candy, glazed donut (2x)
11:30 Cheeseburger(2x), chicken patty, 20 oz Gatorade, salted french fries, Doritos. (courtesy of school cafeteria)
4:45 PM Power Bar, pbj sandwich, 12 oz berry yogurt
6:05 meat ravioli, corn, shell macaroni and cheese, carrots (generous)
8:25 Ding dong, frosted flakes, pop-tart, pretzels (bag)
11:00 32 oz shake (ice cream, peanut butter, banana, True Mass gainer, chocolate milk)
2:00 AM 6 oz fruit yogurt, toast (butter/jelly), 6 oz ham[/quote]

There’s a lot of junk food in there…I think you should eat more clean.

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[quote]Digity wrote:
HoneyGlazed wrote:
Well, recently I’ve been doing a routine based off the Bears off-season training; my coach’s got connections or something. Anyway I’ll post it tomorrow. (Monday-Friday & weekends off) My school is richer than it should be so we also get specific/personalized 12 week plans for each lift based on weight and original max to optimize strength gain. Its not perfect but you can adapt it to fit your growth. Regarding caloric intake - I aim for 3000-4000 calories on the weekdays and 5000 to 7000 on the weekends.

Monday for example:
7:30 AM English Muffin/2 eggs - 12 oz 2% chocolate milk
9:00 Apple, Fruit snacks candy, glazed donut (2x)
11:30 Cheeseburger(2x), chicken patty, 20 oz Gatorade, salted french fries, Doritos. (courtesy of school cafeteria)
4:45 PM Power Bar, pbj sandwich, 12 oz berry yogurt
6:05 meat ravioli, corn, shell macaroni and cheese, carrots (generous)
8:25 Ding dong, frosted flakes, pop-tart, pretzels (bag)
11:00 32 oz shake (ice cream, peanut butter, banana, True Mass gainer, chocolate milk)
2:00 AM 6 oz fruit yogurt, toast (butter/jelly), 6 oz ham

There’s a lot of junk food in there…I think you should eat more clean.
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On the plus side he’s only 17 so he’s got a few years left before his heart attack. He probably won’t live to see his grandkids though.

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[quote]Digity wrote:
HoneyGlazed wrote:
Well, recently I’ve been doing a routine based off the Bears off-season training; my coach’s got connections or something. Anyway I’ll post it tomorrow. (Monday-Friday & weekends off) My school is richer than it should be so we also get specific/personalized 12 week plans for each lift based on weight and original max to optimize strength gain. Its not perfect but you can adapt it to fit your growth. Regarding caloric intake - I aim for 3000-4000 calories on the weekdays and 5000 to 7000 on the weekends.

Monday for example:
7:30 AM English Muffin/2 eggs - 12 oz 2% chocolate milk
9:00 Apple, Fruit snacks candy, glazed donut (2x)
11:30 Cheeseburger(2x), chicken patty, 20 oz Gatorade, salted french fries, Doritos. (courtesy of school cafeteria)
4:45 PM Power Bar, pbj sandwich, 12 oz berry yogurt
6:05 meat ravioli, corn, shell macaroni and cheese, carrots (generous)
8:25 Ding dong, frosted flakes, pop-tart, pretzels (bag)
11:00 32 oz shake (ice cream, peanut butter, banana, True Mass gainer, chocolate milk)
2:00 AM 6 oz fruit yogurt, toast (butter/jelly), 6 oz ham

There’s a lot of junk food in there…I think you should eat more clean.
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I’m going to disagree with you. This is a LOT of calories. If he is eating this consistently every day and not gaining mass, it will be even harder to gain mass eating entirely clean. I do agree, however, that he should try to get more clean calories along with his binge eating. I would like to see a clean diet as much as anyone here, but if it doesn’t add mass…

He may actually be one person for which dirty eating is an effective way to put on muscle. For now. In just a few years he’ll have to control himself or totally screw himself up. This assumes, however, that he’s eating this much every day for months at a time, and that this is not a “binge” day, where the other days are much less calories.

OP I can tell you one thing from your diet—your protein intake is seriously lacking. Your 9am and 8:25pm meals have no protein source. Your breakfast is seriously lacking in protein, your 4:45pm meal has no real protein source. That’s 4 meals. Your 6pm meal needs more protein; meat ravioli is more pasta than meat really. So that’s 5 meals lacking protein. You need more protein–aim for more than 200g in a day. This may keep you from eating as many calorie dense items as you do (which is a good thing, you’ve got tons of junk in there), but it will probably help you in the long run by giving your muscles more to grow with.

I’d really like you to clean up your diet, to be honest. But get to the point where you’re gaining weight as you clean it up.

What does your training look like?