Starting Judo

Training
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[quote]borrek wrote:

[quote]chitown34 wrote:
^ A little harsh but i definitely agree. 2x/week is not enough for anything to stick, and if you are going to commit to a judo club you might as well put forth a strong effort. There’s no reason why you can’t do weight lifting or performance training in the AM and Judo at night.

The Japanese exchange students I trained with in college lifted weights every weekday morning and trained judo anywhere from 2-6 hours a day. They were by no means blessed genetically, but built up that work capacity over years of hard training.
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So, they built up to that work capacity, meaning they didn’t bust out of the gate at a million miles an hour yet that’s what people suggest should be no sweat for the OP?[/quote]

Well,I apologize for assuming that OP have greater initial work capacity than a 95-year old granny! :)))

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[quote]SKELAC wrote:
I do boxing and weights hard and I sleep just fine without any extra fucking zinc,magnessium or any other shit.

I got that 8 hour a day judo training shit from Martin Rooney who went there.
As Judokas in my fucking Eastern European country do 4-5 hours a day,I imagine workoholics like Japanese do more.Youre just arguing for the sake of arguing.[/quote]

If you want a thread about how hardcore you are, make one. This thread was about helping someone who was just starting out.

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[quote]borrek wrote:

If you want a thread about how hardcore you are, make one. This thread was about helping someone who was just starting out.
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I think this is a great idea… I will help.

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[quote]kmcnyc wrote:

[quote]borrek wrote:

If you want a thread about how hardcore you are, make one. This thread was about helping someone who was just starting out.
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I think this is a great idea… I will help.[/quote]

Ah,the first among equals= the original brotard is still going strong after more than 5 000 epic troll-posts! :))

where have you been,buddy? ;))

Sure,you can make thread about me,just dont forget to include Croatia,cheap women,cheapest booze,mayhem and arson :))

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[quote]borrek wrote:

[quote]SKELAC wrote:
I do boxing and weights hard and I sleep just fine without any extra fucking zinc,magnessium or any other shit.

I got that 8 hour a day judo training shit from Martin Rooney who went there.
As Judokas in my fucking Eastern European country do 4-5 hours a day,I imagine workoholics like Japanese do more.Youre just arguing for the sake of arguing.[/quote]

If you want a thread about how hardcore you are, make one. This thread was about helping someone who was just starting out.
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so,not taking ZMA and sleeping fine is THE NEW HARD CORE :))

I guess,our great-granfathers working on farms hard,could not get a decent night sleep,coz there wasnt any fucking ZMA or other shit :))

people just happen to surprise me with the new level of pencilneck softiness each time…

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[quote]SKELAC wrote:

[quote]Ranzo wrote:
Holy shit. What about people who have jobs or school…LOL so do you guys get paid to train in whatever sport you do? How could you train in the morning when you have to be at work by 8am and don’t get home until 6pm? Still have to prepare meals and take care of the other things in life. Hell the training center I go to isn’t even open at 6 am so how could you train Judo when they aren’t even open? Lets get real with real people.

When I started training I did go almost every day, would have went everyday but they did not offer a calss that I was eligible for everyday. Now I have other responsibilities and I basically train 2 days a week as far as going to class is concerned. I do lift and do shadow boxing etc. inside my routines when I am not in class and I have no problem remembering what I learned.

I don’t think the OP is trying to enter a Judo competition anytime soon and is most likely doing the sport for the sake of enjoying the sport. She is trying to get the most out of what is available in her schedule so I think we can take out the training 8 hours a day. I spent a total of 10 years in Japan and only people who were seriously competing or just really had no other life was training that much EVERYDAY.[/quote]

I thought this is a combat forum and that people that bother exchanging info here are at least a bit serious about it.You are either destroyer or you get destroyed.Be it street,ring ,cage or mat.
Where theres a will,theres a way,my friend! ;))[/quote]

Once again being serious and having the time to devote to something is different. I am pretty serious about it, but I have a day job, which pays my bills. I am much more serious about real life than I am about my training.

To you, that may seem like I am not serious but that is because you don’t know me. If you did you would not reject what I tell you about Japan. Ten years experience living there is a decent amount of time to gain knowledge about these things.

I do fight in the cage and will again in a few months. Getting ready to fight soon, yes I will have to devote more than two days a week in going to the gym/dojo and working skills so I will have to adjust my life accordingly. For most of the time though with a job and responsibilities, matching the schedule of my school I can only get there two days a week which equates to about 4-4.5 hours in a week.

The rest of the time i have to work on my own at home on the things I need to work on. There is really no other choice for me as I do not fight for a living and I do not work security or some other job that demands I know these skills. When I was in the military I had training and there have been times where I could devote 3-4 hours a day 4-5 times a week training but that is not the case now.

I see the OP being in a similar situation and don’t see the need to tell her to train endless hours in the gym for Judo. I also did not notice that this thread was old as dirt and am wishin now I would have never posted to avoid the clueless rhetoric that I am now experiencing.

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[quote]Ranzo wrote:

[quote]SKELAC wrote:

[quote]Ranzo wrote:
Holy shit. What about people who have jobs or school…LOL so do you guys get paid to train in whatever sport you do? How could you train in the morning when you have to be at work by 8am and don’t get home until 6pm? Still have to prepare meals and take care of the other things in life. Hell the training center I go to isn’t even open at 6 am so how could you train Judo when they aren’t even open? Lets get real with real people.

When I started training I did go almost every day, would have went everyday but they did not offer a calss that I was eligible for everyday. Now I have other responsibilities and I basically train 2 days a week as far as going to class is concerned. I do lift and do shadow boxing etc. inside my routines when I am not in class and I have no problem remembering what I learned.

I don’t think the OP is trying to enter a Judo competition anytime soon and is most likely doing the sport for the sake of enjoying the sport. She is trying to get the most out of what is available in her schedule so I think we can take out the training 8 hours a day. I spent a total of 10 years in Japan and only people who were seriously competing or just really had no other life was training that much EVERYDAY.[/quote]

I thought this is a combat forum and that people that bother exchanging info here are at least a bit serious about it.You are either destroyer or you get destroyed.Be it street,ring ,cage or mat.
Where theres a will,theres a way,my friend! ;))[/quote]

Once again being serious and having the time to devote to something is different. I am pretty serious about it, but I have a day job, which pays my bills. I am much more serious about real life than I am about my training.

To you, that may seem like I am not serious but that is because you don’t know me. If you did you would not reject what I tell you about Japan. Ten years experience living there is a decent amount of time to gain knowledge about these things.

I do fight in the cage and will again in a few months. Getting ready to fight soon, yes I will have to devote more than two days a week in going to the gym/dojo and working skills so I will have to adjust my life accordingly. For most of the time though with a job and responsibilities, matching the schedule of my school I can only get there two days a week which equates to about 4-4.5 hours in a week.

The rest of the time i have to work on my own at home on the things I need to work on. There is really no other choice for me as I do not fight for a living and I do not work security or some other job that demands I know these skills. When I was in the military I had training and there have been times where I could devote 3-4 hours a day 4-5 times a week training but that is not the case now.

I see the OP being in a similar situation and don’t see the need to tell her to train endless hours in the gym for Judo. I also did not notice that this thread was old as dirt and am wishin now I would have never posted to avoid the clueless rhetoric that I am now experiencing.[/quote]

I get that.
But OP wanted to do Judo twice a week and gym work 3 times a week.So I told her to do Judo everyday.To get good at judo you have to do more of judo.Judo would also provide conditioning by itself,especialy for a beginner.
So,thats my advice.Thats my opinion.
Of course,you have your own opinion and advice for OP and thats fine too.

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[quote]SKELAC wrote:
so,not taking ZMA and sleeping fine is THE NEW HARD CORE :))

I guess,our great-granfathers working on farms hard,could not get a decent night sleep,coz there wasnt any fucking ZMA or other shit :))

people just happen to surprise me with the new level of pencilneck softiness each time…
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See, you’re just trying a little too hard to bait me on this one. It comes across as desperate.

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Repeatedly swearing on internet forums is extremely impressive

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First off, congrats on the new adventure

secondly as I browsed through the answers, a few points really stuck out

[quote]kmcnyc wrote:

the trinity I always preach is

skillwork
conditioning
strength training
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this is top notch advide, I’ll just add

I’ve seen less physically strong people with flawless technique and timing outperform people with strength and lesser technique countless times. Learn the art, then develop the tools to perfect it.

[quote]borrek wrote:

One of the other judo players in the class is a cross-fit guru. One of the best judo players I have ever met does nothing but body weight exercises. Many don’t workout at all and only do judo. I would consider all successful at judo because they have figured out how to make the most out of their advantages and minimize their disadvantages.

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This is also excellent advice once you’ve learned the art.

Some great advice, and could be put into effect with many aspects of athletics.

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[quote]Spartiates wrote:
This place is getting intense.[/quote]

I hope so.

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[quote]borrek wrote:

One of the other judo players in the class is a cross-fit guru. One of the best judo players I have ever met does nothing but body weight exercises. Many don’t workout at all and only do judo. I would consider all successful at judo because they have figured out how to make the most out of their advantages and minimize their disadvantages.

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Similar to Borrek I’ve seen this too, the best guys I’ve trained with and against just did a lot of judo and very little else. Two of my old team-mates who went on to national-level successes would go to the weightroom for about 20-30 minutes after training every day. But they didn’t seem to have a plan in there, it was more like an injury-prevention-cool-down thing, they’d just do a few sets of this or that.

That said, only twice a week for weight-lifting worked very well for me when I was competing, and I did okay. Split snatches, power cleans, chin-ups, and turkish get-ups mostly.

Really though, technique is king. The more judo the better.

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I’m also going to suggest that not all combat sports are the same.

And that in MMA, more than other, strength and athleticism, will play a larger role.

No matter who you are there will be holes in your game. You will not be an elite-level-everthing. Strength and athleticism are a catch-all that will help in every aspect to some degree.

This is less (or even a non-issue) in single MA competition, where you’re a specialist competing against other specialists in a relatively limited arena.

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I’d also suggest you read: http://drannmaria.blogspot.com/ Skip her statistics and programming and ethics posts and focus on the judo. Not everyone is a world champion with a PhD and a consulting business as well as a tenured position, but she is smart too.

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When I was young, serious, and in college, I trained martial arts about twenty hours a week in classes, some outside of classes, and did other conditioning work (e.g. swam four hours a week, some other stuff).

Wish I’d had nautilus, once a week would have been fine.

Now I’m old, cranky, and my shoulders still haven’t recovered from the last time I got out there …

Hope all went well for you, even if we necroed your thread.

And let me suggest my old, very old, judo material that is still on-line at Responsive Throwing Seminar