Start of Experiment: Estradiol Valerate

Libido still out of this world. I have no extra bloat. Muscle pumps are WAY STRONGER, muscles are “full” all the time. More mental energy, “faster” thinking. Everything is better and I dont need freaking viagra no more.

I love this.

Oh, and zero joint pain no more, ZERO. Joint pain was killing me before (if i didnt use npp along with test).

would recommend 10/10

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So what would be the plan long term? I actually have tried E2 pills in the past but for maybe a week or less and after crashing my E2, so did not notice anything.

I think I need to try low dose DBol to see if this truly works for me. Then the question remains what’s the solution long term if we aren’t converting enough.

I think we need to see labs from Robroy and see what ratio he is at. I have no interest in running Test at 350 a week but if his Total T is north of 2000 and his e2 is above 150 then we have somewhat of a ratio to shoot for.

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I second for labs to paint a bigger picture of what’s going on inside. Would be awesome if he had previous labs from that kind of dosing without anything else or E2 pills involved.

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Ratio labs would be great.

Also, i haven’t been following: is robroy JUST taking testosterone with the valerate?

Ima take labs soon enough. I take 2mg valerate, 250mg enanthate every 5th day aka 350mg a week.

Somedays for some reason i “feel” low e2 and i take an extra valerate for a total.of 4mg a day.

Libido is VERY HIGH

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But peaks and troughs! Stable levels! Etc!

Yeah lol, that is so funny.

No but seriously, even 10th day works for me ive noticed.

Recently I went 14 days without injecting as I went on vacation. So I injected 250mg, then no more for 14 damn days, nothing happened, felt great. I just brought my e2 pills in a bottle of vitamines lol.

No problems at all.

And again, im low shbg AF.

Frequency doesnt fucking matter, really, its just internet broscience.

e5d, e7d, even e10d is probably fine for most

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It’s always funny the train of thought. “You won’t notice anything the first week or 2 after injecting it takes time” but then to turn around and say “Omg if I don’t inject the very next day I feel low T”.

It either takes time, both ways, or it doesn’t.

The main argument I will see against e5d or e10d is the loss of uniformity of the day of the injection. So it’s no longer Monday and/or Thursday being injection day.

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I am so amazed at how differently we all respond to hormones. I’ve been running my e2 between 50-70pg/mL for two years, and recently decided to see what happens if I bring my e2 in the 20-30pg/mL range. I’ve done it a few times randomly, but never on purpose and for very long. The result: my libido is sky high, sex 2-3x per day and the easiest boners of my life. When e2 is higher I can do sex once, and sometimes getting in the mood is a chore.

Anyway, just crazy how I’m the exact opposite. Really goes to show that we need to run these experiments on ourselves, and no protocol is too crazy or out there as long as it’s working for you.

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Yes man this stuff is so damn individual loool

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Sex is a common occurrence for me now after lowering my dose with my gf of 6 months, even multiple times a day. I thank her a lot for giving me patience.

It could be down to mentality, anxiety, overall health with things including sleep.

One way for me to rule it out is increase my dose again, but damn things are so good I am nervous to do that.

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Did you do this by lowering dose or introducing an AI?

My guess it’s probably a bit of everything. But having your hormones in the right place certainly helps.

I have lowered my e2 by lowering my dose before; this time I wanted to do it by taking the AI and keep TT high, just to see if there was a difference.

Interesting reading this. I find i need my e2 in the middle for libido and erection quality.

Too low and its numb down there. Too high and it doesnt want to work either.

Upper mid e2 and I’m all good

Interesting - did you find the results were the same as long as you reached that E2 range, or was there a difference between higher test + AI vs lower dose?

@Robroy

I believe you stated you’re on 350mg test per week, along with the valerate.

Obviously you cannot run (or shouldn’t) that much per week. Do you have plans to come off that cycle?

I’d love to see if you get results with a lower test dosage.

Dunno man i blasted 1.2 test along with 300 npp for almost a year with perfect bloodwork.

As of now my doc say im perfectly fine with 350mg cruise, i might lower it dunno, but its good for retaining my mass

Where are you buying your test?

My head says its under dosed if you’re taking massive amounts with normal bloods…

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Dude i use pharm grade gear, ive been doing this for 6 years, my test result was over 5000 (unreadable), its not “bunk gear”.

Test is so damn mild, in my community i have strongmen running 3g non stop year round and have been doing so for decades.

I sincerely do believe test has very little “danger”.

After 1 year of 1.2g test with 300 npp, all bloods were normal (but test and est obviously), even hct was 45. Blood pressure always around 120.

Ive been doing gear since 2017. This includes primo, dbol, anavar, tbol, eq, test ofcourse, mast.

Kidney is great.
Heart health is great (yes i do all kinds of weird heart tests at my doc, who is a doc for bodybuilders), liver is great.

My blood work gets so so on orals, but other than that its always within the ranges.

Take what u want from that.