What’s a blood test going to tell you about cardiac remodeling?
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Man, that much test non stop can’t be good.
Not a doctor, but just sounds unhealthy and definitely not as nature intended.
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Checked it, zero problems what so ever.
Dude, Im in a gym with guys in their 70s who have been blasting since they are 25, shit is crazy what is ACTUALLY going on outside internet forums
No offense Robroy, but you’re being extremely cavalier with your health imo.
Fair enough if its pharma grade.
Small sample bias comes to mind here with the other stuff.
Plenty of studies of steroid use causing health issue’s long term.
Look at the most famous bodybuilder of all time- various heart bypass operations.
Keep checking those markers would be the sensible plan 
His E2 might be in the middle for all we know without having bloodwork. With 350mg a week Test his T could be at 2500 and his E2 at 100 and that would be higher ratio than most of us see.
There are also pack a day smokers who are in their 70s but that doesn’t make it wise.
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Bloodwork, organs etc tend to all look great…until they don’t. By the time you see an issue there’s already a bigger problem. I hope that never happens to you, just concerned for you in the long term. Retired bodybuilders are not healthy and do not have a long life expectancy.
Ye Im sure its not the best thing for ya, I dont care too much really. There are plenty things in this life that are “bad” that people still do.
Just look at your average american who is atleast 30lbs overweight, chain-smoker, chocolate donuts every other day and usually very little exercise.
Not only bodybuilders use tons of gear. MMA fighters, hockey players, NFL, even freaking soccer is FULL of PED use. Maybe not your typical 2g of test dosage but they use lots of other shit for optimal performance, and for some reason they tend to stay pretty damn healthy and live a long life. Millions and millions of men worldwide, in almost every damn gym these days do AAS, EVERYWHERE!! Where are all the bodies?
I truly do believe that it is not as bad as media has made us believe, we are for some reason shit-scared of this shit in the west, in aways that they are not at all in other parts of the world.
Anyway, doesnt matter anyway, ima keep going and i keep checking my health rather often, and ima make sure to outlive u all!
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Keep us posted on ratios. Definitely curious there, and if your libido could remain if you lowered, but had the same ratio, give or take.
And that is all if libido is indeed affected by ratio.
I have made that connection too, and those athletes didn’t die of covid or get covid symptoms either.
Yeah I just think its nonsense. SURE its not that good, just as drinking is not good, or smoking, or eating sweets too often, or walking thru the bad neighborhood at the wrong hours, or driving when you are a little bit sleepy.
But people still do it and most manage pretty well.
I mean if you do steroids but you are pretty damn spot on with your diet, you seldom eat shit, you stick to ur fucking chicken, rice, vegetables and fruits, you do cardio 2-3 times a week, you work out your FREAKING MUSCLES ffs ALL THE TIME 5 TIMES A WEEK and instead of “going to the club” 3 times a week you go there maybe once every other month…
Are you REAALLYYY that much “unhealthier” than the average nobody on the internet talking shit about u doing roids? The average person is a freaking mess ffs. Shit diet, shit cardio, zero muscle mass, sitting by his computer 10 hours a day. Sweets, mcdonalds, weed, cigarettes, beer, yada yada it goes on and on.
I just dont think its that bad.
Is it better not to do it? Yeah lol, its also better not EVER EVER eat shit in your entire life, to NEVER EVER drink and dont even fucking touch that weed once in your life brah.
But people still do it and they fine.
Just think about all people in the world doing PEDs.
First we have the bodybuilders, not only the bodybuilders but also the “athletic guys” on youtube.
Then you have, not the competing bodybuilders, but ALL THE FREAKING GUYS in the gyms doing it. Most gyms in UK, US, Norway, Germany, fucking Dubai got so many damn steroid heads its insane at this point.
Then, lets look at ALL, ALL ALL ALL professional hockey players, NFL players, even SOCCER players (mast, tbol very common).
All the sprinters, basketball, baseball.
Oh, not only the pro ones actually, even MANY of the amateur league ones.
IN EVERY FREAKING COUNTRY SPORT EXISTS, STEROIDS EXISTS.
And yet still… what do we have?
“Uuh Rich Piana died, hence YOU WILL DIE TOO!”
“Just look at freaking boston lloyd brah, he died!” - yeah, he is the biggest abuser known in the community EVER.
ALL OF YOUR HEROES. Stallone, Dolph Lundgren, Arnold, EVEN VAN DAMME did steroids, many to this very day in their damn 70s and they are alive kickin looking better than the vast majority of 70+ yo old men out there.
So, what is the conclusion here?
Lmfao
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To be honest, neither do I. All within reason of course. What guys like Rich Piana were talking is definitely too much. I just don’t think it should be presented as a free ride either.
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Its amazing to me how much someone youve never met on a steroid discussion forum cares about your health as soon as you do something different and it works out. Ive had guys on a mg of adex daily tell me to watch my broccoli intake when I was trying… wait for it… folate. Just do what you think works and be honest if it doesn’t. You dont owe anyone anything else, despite what they might think.
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Well people are just shit scared of steroids in general, due to media etc. Testosterone bad, blablabla.
People are in general sheep, what the masses believe is almost always completely wrong.
As soon as you get a majority being obsessed with one truth, its time to consider the “other side” might be correct. That is how it has always been due to human nature, herd followers, social animals.
To succeed in this life u gotta be ur own man and use ur own brain and think. This doesnt mean you should be some kinda mad man ignoring everyones opinion ofcourse, as many things that “most” agree on is ofcourse true. However, theres a human tendency to just believe whatever everyone else believes and then you go from there. Its in our DNA and made to conserve energy.
Anyway, this works great so far, my sex drive is so fucking high i dont know what to do no more, I need to change some shit because its actually TOO HIGH now, I cant even freaking focus. Damn luxury problems, u never happy are u? You go from completely limp mr dead cock to a sex addict, and now its annoying.
Bleeh
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I dont wanna be like some crazy danny bossa here but seriously, if you have tried trt for a long time and nothing fucking works for sexdrive… I would HIGHLY recommend that person to ATLEAST TRY add some estrogen, just for 2 or 3 damn weeks to see what happends. Nothing bad will happen in such short period of time.
Theres just some fucking truth to that notion of estrogen being strongly connected to libido, it just is, i dont know the freaking mechanism behind this sorcery but this is like erotic lust in a pill LMFAO
JUST TRY IT AND SEE FOR YOURSELVES, DONT LISTEN TO ME OR ANYONE BUT JUST TRY IT AND SHE WTF HAPPENDS
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“ Erectile function is adversely affected by estrogen exposure in early penile development, and exposure to estradiol in the mature penis leads to increased vascular permeability with increased ED. ED from increased estradiol exposure is independent of testosterone level.”
Does this statement contradict the ratio hypothesis?
“ Finally, estradiol levels should be considered when treating men with TST, as estradiol levels below 5 ng dl-1 correlate to a decrease in libido.”
Dassit.
I’d wager a guess it has to do with your estrogen receptors. Maybe they aren’t super sensitive, so you need more e2 to activate them?
In practice, I do not see any validity to the ratio.
Based on what I see, that is accurate.