Also I have a a strong morning boner EVERY MORNING now. I had that maybe one morning out of 20 before, ESTROGEN fixed my morning boner lmfao
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So do I. On solo 140-160mg Tcyp.
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Its insane, on test only I wanted almost NOTHING; zero. 60mg or 1.2, didnt matter. Also had dry skin, dry gland, never morning boner, and itchy scalp. All that is fixed now, lmfao
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I have similar from HCG, maybe from the increased E2 who knows. Not as much as you are saying, but night and day from test alone.
Test monotherapy I feel blugh no matter the dose. Add HCG⊠world of difference. I ONLY have a libido if I add HCG to TRT. In isolation I have nothing. Its amazing how dreadful I feel on Test alone.
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I donât know about all this. Why then people feel better when lowering dose, or still function as naturals including having lower end E2?
I guess hypothetically the whole thing of DHT/T being anti estrogenic in a sense as you described can be at play, and itâs lessened when we reduce dose/levels.
There are people, even members here, such as @blshaw whos numbers/ratios contradict this though.
I dont know the theory behind this man, but my cock for sure like this
Obviously interested in how you settle long term. Iâve been thinking lately about ocean waves, since we talk so much about half lives, aromatization, ratio and conversion time for t:e, dose frequency, and the like. Youâve reported:
*daily administrations of a short (20hrs?) half-life drug
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immediate thought/mood changes on the first day
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delayed physical responses growing to a breakthrough result over three weeks
I wonder if Iâve been thinking about âdailyâ functions wrong in the presence of esters. Sex, for example, is something weâd like to do every day, but it isnât eating or digestion, is it? You wonât die in six weeks if you donât get it. Your body probably knows that on a thousand levels and the bodyâs preoccupation is being multitalented, overlapping, and efficient. So wouldnât it make sense that some pieces of the systems for building tissue in the presence of exogenous androgens could be different from the systems for accessing sexual arousal in the presence of exogenous estrogens? Like maybe muscle mass depends on the constant levels in a range, but maybe sex is about the ripples on top of those levels.
What if some downstream results arenât part of the wave, but more like the spray? I mean to ask because we have human hormonal releases that are pulsatile, but the body can do constant or prolonged releases no problem. So doesnt it matter to us if something is pulsatile? There are specific things, like spray, or certain animal behavior, or water transparency, that are only present when something else disruptive is happening, like a wave. If an erection is a response more like spray, youd struggle to recognize one without the properly pulsed wave. If we only dose long esters, we have a sort of tide, maybe undulations. But maybe âtier 2â survival skills like boinking and not arguing with your girlfriend are more like waves that respond to quicker acting changes in the body chemistry. Your day-long waves of E2 are immediately recognized by the body (âhey, its wavey. I used to love waves, aww.â) Then after a while your body decides it wants to swim out (âwhoa. These are libido waves.â) But only then could it get that lash as the wave passes and it feels the back spray. (âWow, boner.â)
Anyway could be cool that youâre introducing a more rapidly in-out influencer of your sexuality. Maybe youre responding because its signaling is more comprehensible to your body than aromatizing the long ester.
I obviously donât know, or my mind wouldnât think like the trash fire above. But promise to post honestly if the sea-change quits on you.
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I like where youâre going with it. I honestly had to read it twice to make sure I understood 
, but it has some sound thoughts/reasonings IMO.
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We are all different. Iâm amazed how we all respond to these things.
Well that is true, which proves the point though it isnât just as simple as increasing E2 to some magical ratio for all.
all I say is, atleast try it, u might be surprised
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For sure. Anytime somebody thinks that they have found the solution, Iâm weary about saying that everyone should try it. Maybe they should give it a shot just to see. But itâs hit or miss whether these kind of things will work for anybody else, except for the person whoâs trying it themselves.
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I canât get the tablet version of this. Does anyone know what the equivalent dose from the Estradiol creams would be?
Did you ever get the experience that your libido was the worst right after taking the shot and then it would get better as you got closer to your next shot?
I have a lot of the same symptoms as you. dry skin, high free testosterone, etc. Iâve solved a lot of it by lowering my dose but I donât have the crazy libido youâre speaking of.
Iâm thinking that at the end of the week before the next shot the ratio of T/E2 gets more favorable for libido which is why. From charts Iâve seen, E2 lags on the way up and lags on the way down. If thatâs the case, and youâre getting a libido favorable ratio, it would indicate to me you might be replicating that with the Valerate youâre taking.
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My libido is never good, but it seems to follow this pattern somewhat as well.
My hesitation with estradiol is that by running experiments with hcg, it skews my E2 much higher than just using test alone. But the increased libido from hcg disappears after a week or two of use, and worse side effects follow.
I know hcg and supplemental estradiol are not a 1:1 comparison but it gives me hesitation, especially since I had a history of mild gyno in the past.
That is absolutely correct!
Iâm worried about that as well. Iâm also not anywhere near 350mg a week. Just 80 a week puts my trough number a bit above 700ng/dl
Robroy is cruising at 350mg Test a week, so would that have to be adjusted if weâre taking less? Maybe .5mg a day or 1mg a day.
I would imagine it would have to be a ratio instead of a blanket 2mg recommendation. I donât need to take 350 to get my test to the top of the range, or want to take early as much as he takes, although I absolutely donât pass any judgement on what heâs doing.
Start with 0.5mg then, if you use lower test dosage. Then maybe 1mg if that dont âworkâ, after that, 1.5, then 2 etc.
I read on excelmale, one guy need 2mg of valerate for every 100mg of testosterone he takes, to not get low e2 symptoms.
Its all so individual when it comes to this.
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Itâs over a month now, howâs things holding up?