It’s been almost 4 weeks. Libido is strong and EQ is 10/10, but sensitivity and pleasure are still lacking. Even if this is as far as the exogenous e2 benefits go, I do feel much better with it and will continue (assuming bloodwork looks good).
I’m going overseas for 10 days so as a precaution I got my e2 tested this morning. I had a nightmare that I started developing gyno in the middle of a Mediterranean cruise lol. Hopefully I’ll have the results in the next 48 hours. Stay tuned.
keep us posted on the bloodwork. I think after 4 weeks on this, the chances you will suddenly start getting gyno are very low.
great thread. Really opened my eyes to knew ideas. I have tried different DHTs anavar, primo, masteron and I feel like garbage on each one. My try to go a different direction.
Just FYI, I don’t know what is taking so long with Quest. It’s been 2 weeks since my blood draw. (Maybe because it’s the Ultrasensitive test?) I reached out to them yesterday. Waiting to hear back. Stay tuned.
Edit: I spoke too soon. Literally an hour after posting, my Quest account updated.
::drumroll please::
In March, on 150mg NPP + 1,000iu hCG my labs were as follows:
TT 1,500
FT 8
SHBG 24
e2 10
After 4 weeks of adding 2mg daily sublingual estradiol to the mix, my e2 increased from 10 to 35.
I’m thinking I have 3 options now…
I’m also considering switching to injectable e2 simply because it’s more accurate to measure than a sublingual dropper. The truth is I’m eyeballing 2mg but it could be anywhere from 1mg to 4mg.
Questions? Comments? Concerns?
Lots of information to read through here, Ive read a lot of it, but not nearly all of it.
Somethings I do have questions about.
My E2 was 30 when I started taking TRT 100mg/wk. Follow up labs at 7 weeks showed my E2 to be <25, which I thought was odd. Does this happen to any else just from TRT? I expected it to go up. I feel like I have been even more tired as of late. Next follow up lab is in August. Im currently riding 150mg/wk.
First, thank you for doing this.
In my opinion those estradiol levels are probably perfect for nandrolone only since it’s just now very androgenic.
Any updates on how you feel?
Of course man. For all I know, experiments like these could help a ton of guys out there who are having a rough time on Test.
Nothing has really changed from before. Libido and EQ are great. Testicles are nice and plump - something hCG never accomplished. But sensitivity and pleasure are still “meh”. Overall it’s an upgrade over my protocol without e2 and I’ll continue taking it for the foreseeable future.
I decided to increase the dose to 4mg/day after my labs. I don’t feel any discernable difference between 2mg and 4mg. The plan is to do bloodwork mid to late June and evaluate the impact on paper. Assuming I don’t feel any difference between now and then, I’ll drop it down to 1mg and repeat.
I sourced Estrace pills from overseas so I’m waiting for those to arrive. I’m also thinking of adding Proviron to the protocol, but that’s later on. Only changing one thing at a time for now.
Nice. Yeah this is all super interesting and counterintuitive. Like it’s been stated earlier in this thread, the personal accounts here totally prove how different everyone is.
I actually jumped on the bandwagon today and popped 2 mgs of estradiol valerate. I’ll provide a report as things get going as well.
Here is the podcast Robroy referred to. In their research, guys were taking 2mg a week. So alot less than what this thread is talking about.
A few observations thus far after 1 week. Workouts are in fact bad ass. Waaaaay better than on a DHT derivative. More strength. More endurance. More pump. Mental outlook is much improved. I had a couple days of that sad nostalgia that Robroy mentioned but that is gone. If this keeps going this way I will absolutely make more gains than I would with a DHT. Joints feel great too. It does in fact feel like this is what roids are supposed to feel like as far as performance.
Mentally things are great. I’m not dragging ass all day like I’m trusting through mud. I have energy physically and mentally. Zero complaints with the mental aspect except for perhaps it’s harder to sleep.
D performance has improved so far. Not great but better. With test and a DHT its literally a zero and now I am at a 3-4. So hopefully it keeps improving but going in the right direction.
So far better than test alone and light years better than other anabolics. I actually feel healthy.
Any updates?
Yeah man. I bailed. Got super emotional and depressed. It was a nightmare only because of emotional sides. It was really really bad.
I still think there is a good use for this though. I can’t use any amount of primo without tanking my E2. So I could use these to help with that. And actually, you could really run these estradiol pills as your test base for any anabolic.
Fuck dude, I’m sorry to hear that. I’m surprised you had that kind of reaction to only 2mg. I was hoping to hear a success story. I’m guessing you didn’t take it long enough to get bloodwork?
I stopped taking e2 a few weeks ago. My initial effects faded away after 6 weeks or so. Testicles were a little bigger than on hCG by itself but, other than that, there’s been no real benefit. I’m thinking of trying injectable e2. We’ll see. The search for the cure continues.
@baconlatte does deca do anything for you regarding libido?
My libido has been worse lately. I couldn’t tell much of a notable difference with e2. I’m thinking of trying deca.
I had zero libido on Test. It’s way better for me on Deca.
You do deca or npp?
what’s the dosage for the test and dosage for deca?
NPP, though I tried a vial of Deca and felt zero difference.
I used to be on 120mg Test and now 150mg NPP.
I’ve gone as low as 100mg and as high as 250mg, but mostly at 150mg. Other than muscle growth, I feel no other difference between those dosages.
So you don’t do test at all? Just npp?
Correct. 150mg NPP + 1,000iu hCG.
I’m currently experimenting with injectable e2, but it’s not really doing much. Might drop it in the near future.
Hmm so you’re technically low on test?