Been using 50mg of dbol a day for 2 weeks now too.
Zero e2 problems, I dont even bloat.
This is crazy.
getting huge tho
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Will you ever just go with a standard TRT dose and the valerate?
Iād be curious to see if you still get the libido.
Probably after this cut, 2-3 months from now
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And now
Any bloods yet?
I donāt think he is really in any hurry to get labs, but Iām not sure how relevant this is going to be for us, last time I remember he was running 50mg dbol a day and 350 test a week plus the exogenous E2. Itās going to be really hard to tell whatās going on with estradiol ratios when heās on cycle.
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Hopefully @FunkOdyssey can atleast update us.
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Yeah exactly. His blood work isnāt gonna be super helpful the most guys. Heās a bit of an outlier here
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Iām still working on dialing in my TRT dose. I was at 17 ng/dL Free T and 43 pg/mL E2 at 140 mg a week and I bumped up to 175 mg 4 weeks ago. If I end up with 50 - 60 pg/mL E2, Iām not sure I want to add anymore on top of that, but maybe I will for science. Not soon though.
@Robroy this is extremely interesting.
What exactly is valerate and what made you choose to try this? How are you feeling now and has the valerate changed anything with your blood work
I feel like I have tried quite a few combinations and they all have benefitted my physique but never my mood or Libido. Which I found odd. E could be high or low - No effect. Prolactin, shbg - same deal
Actually a podcast with Broderick Chavez (one of the few coaches i respect in this community) where they discussed an experiment where one coach put his bodybuilders on estradiol valerate, during cruise and blast.
Result was all got better bloodwork, pumps, gains and ALL of them got way better sex drive.
So after been on this since 2017 with total shit libido almost no matter dose, i decided to get 2mg pills.
After 1 or 2 weeks my libido became great again, after all these years trying EVERYTHING.
Bloods havent checked, i run some other shit at the moment so wont be of any value anyway.
But yea i feel awesome, way stronger pumps too.
I got em off of internet lol
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Do you think itās due to the fact your body is not working to covert test to estrogen?
Or that it was having difficulty doing so?
Well my e2 readings previously have been all ānormalā. That is: high when test is high, lowish when test is lowish, so no problems there.
HOWEVER, and this is pure speculation:
Theres a thread on excelmale where tons of people theories they ādestroyedā their estrogen receptors, by gear. Maybe thats what I did with all my AI before, making me HAVING to resort using extra e2.
Just a theory, no clue man, all i know is,it works well for me.
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Interesting
The possibility that this could be rhythmic is too interesting for me not try it out. Im
About three or four weeks back on test (with masteron prop) and testing E2 for the second time today. Since my last reading Ive doubled the masteron from 100 to 200mg/wk. Im expecting little to no difference in the E2 reading per @Andrewgen_Receptors experience and reasoning. Im interested in your log because your experience with T has been very similar to mine, albeit I never looked at supplemental estrogen as an option. I have always viewed out of control estrogen as my issue. Recently from experimenting with nandrolone in the absence of testosterone I have become more aware of receptors as a coefficient in the equation. In addition, ALL of my experiences with a rush of libido have come during changes in protocols: as if the up or down swing itself is producing that turbulence. Iām guessing the short halflife of valerate allows your body to get a workable estrogen signal (your body āhearsā the right word) and its not related to standardized levels at all (how loud the signal itself is.) I liken this to coaching. Some coaches just yell the same thing louder, and that works for some. Other coaches find a more precise delivery and that works for others. I think some of us can make sense of estrogen and androgens just being there in the system. I think others of us need more bio-similar pulsing or other reminders that we are processing units, not just holding units. Looking forward to the year ahead, I have a calendar of alternating events and consistency, but also rhythmic ups and downs of work and rest, etcā¦ if my calendar was the same each week, I donāt think my drive for any of it would be noticeable. Thanks for keeping up and continuing to post dude!
I concur. I have deleted my excelmale account because no1 cares to listen and you need stable levels ābecause scienceā
My protocol is āno protocolā. i.e. changing things up literally weekly. Wild swings.
I LOVE this thread as:
- Its the first time Iāve seen in such great detail the documented experience of E2
- A ālost cause caseā that actually found a cure
- The OPās persistence
The OP confirmed ānormalā E2 levels with bloods, yet he supplemented and it worked! A clear case a bro science and experimentation winning all the way to the finish line!!!
We must go back 10+ years and see old posts - ppl didnāt do bloods (and certainly not the newer āsensitive typeā when they did) and chase numbers. They all took test and dbol (highly aromatisable to methyl E2) and were perfectly horny!!!
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I donāt know, no disrespect but I want to see long term concrete plan that he will be able to follow life long. Also if the general TRT patient can replicate, or is it going to be some unique TOT + risks + underground matters involved.
Were you bixt over there? I always liked your posts.
What Ive been shown is bascially that everyone is so fucking individual when it comes to this shit, we cant even trust bloods, we cant trust nothing, ONLY experimentations.
Thruout just a few years all kinds of theories has come and gone and come again.
3mg AI a week
No AI what so ever
Injection once a week
Twice a week
Every freaking day is the best!
The more e2 the better!
No fuck that the less e2 the better!
DECA KILLS COCK
NO DECA ONLY ROCKS
U NEED TO MIX HIGH T with LOW DECA FOR LIBIDO
NOOO TEST IS THE MAIN REASON WITH DECA CUZ MUH PROLACTIN!!
Take as high test as u need, 350mg a week no problem!
Low dose test is the best! 60mg a week I feel awesome!
Normal e2 bloods yet supplement with e2 and become a horny lunatic!! (myself).
MY e2 WAS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING LOW, CERTAINLY NOT ON almost 2g gear a week!
AND ITS NOT LOW ON 350mg A WEEK TOO I CAN TELL U THAT
Yet still, e2 PILLS saved my sex drive that had been shit 90% of the time for 5-6 years.
Everyone responds differently to everything.
Case point, just try different shit til it works, then stfu and be happy.
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That was indeed me, thanks man
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