[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
I always thought it would be interesting if the Jedi/Sith rivalry were more ambiguous instead of the Sith being blatantly evil. They’re always the clear cut bag guys, but as real life has taught us, things aren’t always black and white.
the dark side is all about tapping into your emotions right? couldn’t the Sith just be a bunch of dudes who didn’t want to be ruled by a strict code and sworn into celibacy? people who fight for what they believe instead of being detached killing machines like the Jedi?
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I think that’s actually how it is. The movies are always from the Jedi’s point of view. I think the Sith actually believe in peace, but peace through force and power.
Jedi: Let’s talk this out
Sith: Fuck that. You, get on that side. You, get on the other side! Don’t make me cut you.
Jedi teach you to let go of emotions and be…what’s the word for it… i guess “Zen”. The Sith teach you to feed into your emotions, draw from that power, and use it to aid you.
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This is actually pretty interesting.
Straight up nerd question here, but I loved the Ender’s Game series so I’m going to ask. Are there any good Star Wars sci-fi books that have been written? I would think that some pretty awesome stories could be written utilizing the Star Wars foundation.[/quote]
I like where this is going. If you do a pro-Sith viewing of the prequels, you could say it was the Sith who were responsible for “restoring balance to the force” by enforcing the rule of two (which they did to prevent Siths from destroying each other) and seducing Anakin - who carried out the Jedi cull in ROTS. The cull was necessary because the Jedi had become unmindful and complacent and threatened to destroy themselves, as the Sith did.
The solution, as before, was to start with a clean slate.
ROTS ends with two Sith lords (Palpatine and Vader) and two Jedis (Yoda and Obi-Wan). Balance restored…
The movie may have ended that way, but the comics and games have shown several Jedi to be in hiding. Kota, Shaak Ti, Ayla Secura, K’Kruhk, Starkiller and his pops, etc… I agree that angry Anni restored balance to the force, just not the way Obi-Wan had hoped.
While the Star Wars MMO is a pass for me, I am definitely looking forward to Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II.
[quote]Bujo wrote:
The movie may have ended that way, but the comics and games have shown several Jedi to be in hiding. Kota, Shaak Ti, Ayla Secura, K’Kruhk, Starkiller and his pops, etc… I agree that angry Anni restored balance to the force, just not the way Obi-Wan had hoped. [/quote]
My knowledge of the Stars Wars EU is minimal; just thought I’d offer up an alternative interpretation of the prequels that makes them a little more palatable. The popular theory is that Luke restores balance at the end of ROTJ- I just find that a little too convenient: it implies that the Sith were like parasites on the force and had to be eradicated.
That makes little sense given that there were countless Sith ‘draining’ the force prior to Bane’s establishment of the rule of two.
Edit: also, if the Sith depleted or polluted the force in any way (as it’s suggested) then Sidious and Maul would’ve been detected immediately.
[quote]Bujo wrote:
The movie may have ended that way, but the comics and games have shown several Jedi to be in hiding. Kota, Shaak Ti, Ayla Secura, K’Kruhk, Starkiller and his pops, etc… I agree that angry Anni restored balance to the force, just not the way Obi-Wan had hoped.
While the Star Wars MMO is a pass for me, I am definitely looking forward to Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II.[/quote]
How the hell was secura in hiding? Didn’t we see her get wasted by clones at point-blank range?
[quote]Bujo wrote:
The movie may have ended that way, but the comics and games have shown several Jedi to be in hiding. Kota, Shaak Ti, Ayla Secura, K’Kruhk, Starkiller and his pops, etc… I agree that angry Anni restored balance to the force, just not the way Obi-Wan had hoped.
While the Star Wars MMO is a pass for me, I am definitely looking forward to Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II.[/quote]
How the hell was secura in hiding? Didn’t we see her get wasted by clones at point-blank range?[/quote]
I’m pretty sure I saw her alive in one of the comic books. Dark Times vol 2. But that book began just before Order 66. I may have misplaced her in continuity. I also have a soft spot for alien babes and just wished her alive.
So seeing that you guys are real fans of the series I am curious about your opinion of the Animated show on Cartoon Network. I haven’t watched it but my buddy swears by it, but he is easily impressed.
[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:
So seeing that you guys are real fans of the series I am curious about your opinion of the Animated show on Cartoon Network. I haven’t watched it but my buddy swears by it, but he is easily impressed.[/quote]
If he is referring to the “Clone Wars” cartoon, its not bad at all. Maintains a serious tone while still being directed towards a younger age group.
There is Star Wars: Clone Wars which was several animated shorts done in a similar style as Samurai Jack. It’s very good, and can be bought in its entirety at Best Buy.
There is also Star Wars: The Clone Wars which is the current CGI show airing on the Cartoon network. The show is better than the movie that kicked it off. I really liked the first season, but the second season seems to jump around a lot. I don’t know if I just missed a bunch of episodes or if it was just written in that manner. It just seems that the intro rehashes events that would have been awesome episodes that I didn’t see or were never made. The season finale was pretty weak too. Basically R2-D2 fought off some bounty hunters while Mace Windu and Angry Anni took a nap.
If you’re a fan of Star Wars it wouldn’t be a complete waist of time to rent it thru Netflix.
[quote]Bujo wrote:
Angry Anni wins. No power is greater than teenage angst.[/quote]
Yup, had Skywalker been Vader for more than 10 minutes before he got his ass ginsu’d he’d have been 10 times the badass he was in that suit, and that’s saying something!
Just on G. Lucas I know some of you here are unhappy about what he did with the series but show the man some respect for crying out loud!
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You’d be surprised on just how lucky Lucas was with the OT: the basic plot was drawn from Joseph Campbell’s book The Hero With a Thousand Faces (Lucas has cited Campbell’s books as a major influence), which outlines how all myths and legends follow a basic pattern, using stock characters like the old but wise mentor (Obi-Wan), young hero on a journey (Luke) and the armored, mystically-endowed villain (Vader).
All of these archetypes can be seen throughout history and appeared earlier in Tolkien’s books. They aren’t new.
Lucas’s early outlines of the Star Wars saga are borderline incomprehensible:
The OT only turned out so well because he had to work within severe budgetary constraints and had talented people in front and (especially) behind the camera.
IMO, the prequels failed to live up to expectations because he had too much money to throw around by that point and tried to direct them all himself, thinking that he alone was responsible for the success of the OT.
I used to own a Star Wars annual published in 1983 which stated that Endor was not in the original draft of ROTJ (it was supposed to be Kashyyyk!- Wookies vs. Storm troopers would’ve been a cool but very short movie), and predicted that Vader was born after falling into a river of lava while fighting Obi-Wan. Lucas had the basic plot as far back as then, and still messed the prequels up.
Exar Kun anyday. While Vader was strong, Kun had the battle experience at a young age that Vadar never had, he had the power of the Sith Holocrons, he had experience with and used Sith magic, and he created the first double sided lightsaber. Plus, rather than dying, he performed magic and encased his spirit to live on for another few thousand years. It took Luke Skywalker and all his padawans to defeat Kun’s aged spirit.
[quote]Bujo wrote:
There is Star Wars: Clone Wars which was several animated shorts done in a similar style as Samurai Jack. It’s very good, and can be bought in its entirety at Best Buy.
There is also Star Wars: The Clone Wars which is the current CGI show airing on the Cartoon network. The show is better than the movie that kicked it off. I really liked the first season, but the second season seems to jump around a lot. I don’t know if I just missed a bunch of episodes or if it was just written in that manner. It just seems that the intro rehashes events that would have been awesome episodes that I didn’t see or were never made. The season finale was pretty weak too. Basically R2-D2 fought off some bounty hunters while Mace Windu and Angry Anni took a nap.
If you’re a fan of Star Wars it wouldn’t be a complete waist of time to rent it thru Netflix.[/quote]
The only thing I don’t like about the new Clone Wars is how they “weakened” the Jedi. In the “original” Clone Wars cartoons, the Jedi were freaking Jedi. Now they’re just dudes running around with Lightsabers it seems like a lot of times.