So, what if the next installment is all Godfather 2 with all the backstory explained and the greatest movie of all time? I’d be up for that.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Not picking on you but haven’t movie fans just become awful? Seems like they can’t really enjoy anything anymore.
this article is about what I mean. I bet if he were writing around the time ROTJ came out I bet he would have said “if Yoda is such a great Jedi master why does he need to live in exile?!?!?”[/quote]
Translation: I wish everyone were as willing to lap up unintelligent, juvenile, nonsensical Hollywood bullshit and then label it “good” as I am. Woe is me for having the intellectual threshold of a child and being forced to confront this unavoidable fact in the face of people with an actual brain in their head. FUck, cognitive dissonance can be a real sonofabitch sometimes. Back to my safe space.
The reality is, that for me and probably many others, the absolute failure of this film to resonate in any meaningful way is indicative of a far larger trend in this country.
I think people are growing sick and fucking tired of seeing people make millions of dollars despite the fact that they can’t even do their fucking job. It’s extremely prevalent in sports, and even more so in politics. It’s been happening for years in Hollywood as well. This film is simply the latest example. JJ Abrams and whoever was responsible for writing this thing simply did not do their job very well at all, yet they are being lionized for what they’ve done. They CLEARLY did not put a whole lot of thought into this script or the plot. That cannot be disputed.
Unless their job is to produce illogical, infantile drivel, they failed at what they were paid to do. And people like you, Raj, are as responsible for this as anyone. The masses are generally stupid fucking lemmings like yourself. It’s just disappointing that you and your kind are now the target demographic of Hollywood.[/quote]
If this is how you feel then stop watching Hollywood movies.
Apparently JJ Abrams regrets not directing SW 8 after reading the script.
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
I think it was good. I’d see it again, but I have some thoughts…
First and foremost, everyone who isn’t a sheep needs to see the movie for what it is: a cash cow for Disney. With that in mind, they’re going to do whatever they need to do to get people to come out and watch it. If they have to essentially make it a clone of the original, then obviously they’ll do it. If they have to propogandize (I know, it’s not a word, but you get what I’m saying) the response from critics and “fans” and make it seem more like it was well-received when it really wasn’t so much, then they’ll do it.[/quote]
Very good point. To be fair, the fact that the franchise was “enslaved” by Disney put JJ Abrams in a tough place to begin with. Try new things and fans will hate you for ruining the thing they love, or play it safe and they will accept it, but criticize you for lacking originality. Obviously, the latter route was chosen. It’ll be interesting to see if future movies bring more originality to the table (and hopefully fix the many plot holes).
Despite it’s many flaws, I enjoyed it a hell of a lot more than the prequels for one reason: I found the main characters WAY more likable. Anakin’s story has a lot of tragic elements that could have easily made me feel a lot more sympathetic about his fall to the dark side, if only he wasn’t constantly portrayed as an angsty, arrogant bitch. Obi-Wan seemed to be a perpetually preachy good-boy and I felt that he really lacked a human element. It’s hard to enjoy a movie when you find the protagonists so irritating.
I really liked Finn and Rey, thus I am actually interested in seeing what happens to them in the future. I think it’s fair to reserve judgment somewhat until we see how the rest of the series plays out, though the extent of the plot holes is going to be pretty hard to overcome (it was bad enough that it felt like I was watching the middle of a movie, and the beginning and end were taken out).
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
I just want to know how that alien bar owner got Anakin/Luke’s blue light saber.
If I recall correctly, Luke dropped it when daddy chopped his hand off at Cloud City and it was lost down into the nether reaches of a gas giant planet.[/quote]
Correct, I wonder if his hand is in another box in that castle. Luke made a green one in between empire and jedi
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Not picking on you but haven’t movie fans just become awful? Seems like they can’t really enjoy anything anymore.
this article is about what I mean. I bet if he were writing around the time ROTJ came out I bet he would have said “if Yoda is such a great Jedi master why does he need to live in exile?!?!?”[/quote]
Translation: I wish everyone were as willing to lap up unintelligent, juvenile, nonsensical Hollywood bullshit and then label it “good” as I am. Woe is me for having the intellectual threshold of a child and being forced to confront this unavoidable fact in the face of people with an actual brain in their head. FUck, cognitive dissonance can be a real sonofabitch sometimes. Back to my safe space.
The reality is, that for me and probably many others, the absolute failure of this film to resonate in any meaningful way is indicative of a far larger trend in this country.
I think people are growing sick and fucking tired of seeing people make millions of dollars despite the fact that they can’t even do their fucking job. It’s extremely prevalent in sports, and even more so in politics. It’s been happening for years in Hollywood as well. This film is simply the latest example. JJ Abrams and whoever was responsible for writing this thing simply did not do their job very well at all, yet they are being lionized for what they’ve done. They CLEARLY did not put a whole lot of thought into this script or the plot. That cannot be disputed.
Unless their job is to produce illogical, infantile drivel, they failed at what they were paid to do. And people like you, Raj, are as responsible for this as anyone. The masses are generally stupid fucking lemmings like yourself. It’s just disappointing that you and your kind are now the target demographic of Hollywood.[/quote]
If this is how you feel then stop watching Hollywood movies.
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For the most part, I have. Every now and then a movie comes out that piques my interest. The only movies this decade that I’ve bothered to actually pay money to see (other than The Force Awakens) are Christopher Nolan’s films, and I don’t even think those qualify as Hollywood films; Nolan was the director and producer for The Dark Knight, the Dark Knight Rises, Inception, and Interstellar, and he operates with more autonomy than pretty much anyone this side of Tarantino.
I’ll torrent some shit on occasion, but it’s fucking depressing. I know most people loved the Avengers and the Ironman films and all that shit. Me, I could barely make it through any of them. They’re overblown cartoons, with plots that are about a half step above what I used to watch as a kid on Saturday mornings.
[quote]Apoklyps wrote:
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
I think it was good. I’d see it again, but I have some thoughts…
First and foremost, everyone who isn’t a sheep needs to see the movie for what it is: a cash cow for Disney. With that in mind, they’re going to do whatever they need to do to get people to come out and watch it. If they have to essentially make it a clone of the original, then obviously they’ll do it. If they have to propogandize (I know, it’s not a word, but you get what I’m saying) the response from critics and “fans” and make it seem more like it was well-received when it really wasn’t so much, then they’ll do it.[/quote]
Despite it’s many flaws, I enjoyed it a hell of a lot more than the prequels for one reason: I found the main characters WAY more likable. Anakin’s story has a lot of tragic elements that could have easily made me feel a lot more sympathetic about his fall to the dark side, if only he wasn’t constantly portrayed as an angsty, arrogant bitch. Obi-Wan seemed to be a perpetually preachy good-boy and I felt that he really lacked a human element. It’s hard to enjoy a movie when you find the protagonists so irritating.
I really liked Finn and Rey, thus I am actually interested in seeing what happens to them in the future. I think it’s fair to reserve judgment somewhat until we see how the rest of the series plays out, though the extent of the plot holes is going to be pretty hard to overcome (it was bad enough that it felt like I was watching the middle of a movie, and the beginning and end were taken out).[/quote]
Same here.
I went into the movie hearing that it was a rehash of A New Hope and that critics/the public have overrated it.
While watching it was very easy to see many plot holes or just plain problems and things that make you go “Huh?”. But the characters in the story were much more relate-able and believable on a human level. I re-watched the prequels very recently and just spent the whole time frustrated at mostly Anakin and often the interaction between Anakin and Obi-wan.
The prequels failed to make a compelling story about Vader’s turn to the dark side. They failed at what they set out to do. I can forgive plot holes and convenient writing for the sake of a lack of explanation, as long as the movie does an excellent job at telling the story it was intended to. Exactly how successful this new movie has been (at telling a story) can’t be completely judged until after the full trilogy is released, but at the very least I don’t believe it will have failed.
I am not a star wars fan or general movie fan (I do watch some) but I liked this one a lot. I think it was well put together. For me just about every movie, book or music comes off as cheesy and I was surprised and pleased that this one didn’t. There was enough action of the right kind, not too much childish elements, jedi spinning backflips and tricks and general cheese. The characters were all good and refreshing (not in a weird, unfitting kind of way) and the old ones were well introduced. There wasn’t any dead moments and I think the story was well expanded from the beginning to the end.
I like fact that a lot of events reminded us of the past movies and I think it was well put together in a new and fitting way. I view it as an hommage to what has already been made and an artistic process. I wouldn’t have cared as much if it was other directions, elements and cinematographic process or whatever you call them.
The plot holes don’t bother me at all. For me it’s on the same level as why the bad guys always miss when firing and the good guys don’t. I am as much deranged by plot holes and incongruency in star wars as I am deranged by the ones in Narnia, Harry Potter or any fantasy movie.
I think this movie is a satisfying artistic thing on it’s own for what it is, isolated from the rest of the franchise but with a remembrance of the other movies. I watched 15 sec of a video posted here of some mens talking about the maker J.J Abrams or something, saying that he has a good way of telling the story in an artistic sense and I agree. I also didn’t come in wanting to critique something I waited for, it was just something to watch to relax and forget a bit before the start of work.
Loved it. Great movie. Good Star Wars eye candy(best seen in 3d IMAX)*. Can’t wait for more. Long time Star Wars fan.
*yes I went and seen it in 2d and compared to 3d and IMAX.
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
For me just about every movie, book or music comes off as cheesy and I was surprised and pleased that this one didn’t.
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Actually?
I find that the Star Wars franchise in general is a little cheesy and this film is no exception. I was under the impression that the cheesiness is part of the appeal.
[quote]Apoklyps wrote:
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
For me just about every movie, book or music comes off as cheesy and I was surprised and pleased that this one didn’t.
[/quote]
Actually?
I find that the Star Wars franchise in general is a little cheesy and this film is no exception. I was under the impression that the cheesiness is part of the appeal.[/quote]
Yes, but maybe I was in the right mood.
Star Wars 8 in production