[quote]balisong wrote:
It’s not an ego thing. It’s an “I like results” thing. Also, I really don’t believe the exaggerated stories about the dangers of orals.
And I HAVE read alot, especially about anadrol, and when used medically and in studies, the dangers to the liver are NOT as great as some would have you believe on various boards, even though it’s prescribed for six months at 150mg and higher.
Anyway, six weeks can’t even be compared.
Still, I am not here to start any kind of internet fight. If you were to run anadrol, dbol and winny for six weeks, what would be your dosages? (yes, I know you wouldn’t, but hypothetically…)
Also, I don’t dose based on assumption that my drugs are underdosed. But since they’re not pharm-grade they very likely are. Just an observation.
Edit: Take a look at this study. Now tell me anadrol will kill me in six weeks.
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I am not saying it will kill you - i am saying the risk of liver damage is real and an unneccesary risk when there are multiple cycles out there which will work just as well.
If i was to run dbol, drol and winny… i would probably go for 30:50:25 - DBol:Drol:Win - All 3 moderate to make a high dose total 17-AA oral cycle… for 4-5 weeks at a push.
LFT ios liver function test and i would like to seriously recommend one before you cycle to see if your liver has the strength necessary…
I have used anadrol before at 50mg/day for a period of 6 weeks and my LFT came back A-OK. Please note I also used milk thistle the entire cycle.
This leads me to believe that liver toxicity worries are often overblown. Except of course in the case of people with preexisting liver conditions or a love of alcohol.
That being said I still do not condone or consider stacking dbol and anadrol to be a wise or beneficial practice. The 2 drugs act very similarly. I fail to understand why someone would stack orals and not include a base injectable. Fear of needles? I honestly don’t know.
My point is this, besides from the health aspects that others have outlined from a results and more importantly a quality standpoint it just makes more sense to use test as a base and then include one or the other oral.
@ Brook: If you were to do a similar cycle only without the DBOL (just the winnie and drol) would your dosages remain the same or would you up them slightly? Say, for a 4 weeker…?
[quote]vin_mancini wrote:
@ Brook: If you were to do a similar cycle only without the DBOL (just the winnie and drol) would your dosages remain the same or would you up them slightly? Say, for a 4 weeker…?[/quote]
I would use 100:50 for a 4 weeker… I am currently running 50:25 on top of a high moderate dose of test and eq… and it is giving me great results… i am having regular nosebleeds though - and that is just 50mg of drol.
I do have a tendancy to bleed from the nose very easily though…
[quote]balisong wrote:
Ok, then it begins, 6 weeks of the following:
100mg anadrol ED
50mg winstrol ED
30mg dianabol ED
starting weight: 86.5kg
training: Doggcrapp
monday: chest, shoulders, triceps, back width, back thickness.
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Be sure to update this log often. Even after PCT is done for a month or so. I honestly think you will have a hard time keeping a high percentage of gains from this cycle. Regardless, be safe and good luck.
[quote]2thepain wrote:
balisong wrote:
Ok, then it begins, 6 weeks of the following:
100mg anadrol ED
50mg winstrol ED
30mg dianabol ED
starting weight: 86.5kg
training: Doggcrapp
monday: chest, shoulders, triceps, back width, back thickness.
Be sure to update this log often. Even after PCT is done for a month or so. I honestly think you will have a hard time keeping a high percentage of gains from this cycle. Regardless, be safe and good luck.[/quote]
Will definitely update often. I hope to retain at least MOST of my actual muscle gains. Water weight won’t be kept of course.
I’m also starting a cycle of 100mg anadrol and 50mg winstrol today (without the dianabol) for 4 weeks. I didn’t keep much of my gains the last time but I think it was mostly diet related. I’m going to see if I can keep more this time by being more strict.
Well, first enhanced training session completed.
A bit early to really feel anything yet of course.
Doggcrapp is WAY different from the Waterbury-esque training I’ve been doing for a good many months now.
I was VERY tempted do do more sets of certain exercises. Actually worked chest, shoulders, triceps and back in less than one hour! Going to complete failure… haven’t done that for a long time.
The stretches kicked my ass even more than the actual work sets! Ouch!
Let’s hope this training along with the irresponsibly excessive amounts of orals will make me hyyuuge!!
[quote]balisong wrote:
Fy faen i svarteste helvete!!
(Norwegian cursing)
Training legs dc-style was a truly hellacious experience… widowmaker indeed!
Almost unable to rack the weight after the 20-rep squats.
Well, I didn.t die, so I guess it’ll make me stronger then.
Anyway, 88kgs bodyweight this morning. The oral stack seems to have started doing its thing.[/quote]
Hey right on. Yeah that DC is something else aint it?
The workouts go fairly quickly, just remember to do plenty of warm up sets before really getting after it. And yeah the stretching is the shit too.
I bet you’ll do really well with this.
On a side note, I had some pretty bad back pumps from my little 2 weeker recently of the usual drol/win, and my joints really felt the winstrol this time more than usual, so be careful and watch for that. Also had some nip sensitivity in one at the end of said cycle, but nolva has taken care of it with the quickness already.
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
balisong wrote:
Fy faen i svarteste helvete!!
(Norwegian cursing)
Training legs dc-style was a truly hellacious experience… widowmaker indeed!
Almost unable to rack the weight after the 20-rep squats.
Well, I didn.t die, so I guess it’ll make me stronger then.
Anyway, 88kgs bodyweight this morning. The oral stack seems to have started doing its thing.
On a side note, I had some pretty bad back pumps from my little 2 weeker recently of the usual drol/win, and my joints really felt the winstrol this time more than usual, so be careful and watch for that. Good luck buddy,
ToneBone[/quote]
I usually get back pumps from drol and dbol when used by themselves. So the combo might produce rather wicked back pumps. I have always used 3-5grams taurine pre workout. It might be worth your while to pick some up.
Training legs dc-style was a truly hellacious experience… widowmaker indeed!
Almost unable to rack the weight after the 20-rep squats.
Well, I didn.t die, so I guess it’ll make me stronger then.
Anyway, 88kgs bodyweight this morning. The oral stack seems to have started doing its thing.
On a side note, I had some pretty bad back pumps from my little 2 weeker recently of the usual drol/win, and my joints really felt the winstrol this time more than usual, so be careful and watch for that. Good luck buddy,
ToneBone
I usually get back pumps from drol and dbol when used by themselves. So the combo might produce rather wicked back pumps. I have always used 3-5grams taurine pre workout. It might be worth your while to pick some up.[/quote]
Yeah, it’s been a while since I had a tub of it, thanks for saying that, though in the past it didn’t seem to help that much, but now that it’s been a while, I may notice that indeed it does help quite a bit.
I’ve had just the slightest hint of back pumps with drol/win before. On the other hand I once did a two weeker of tbol at 60mg ED. THAT gave me som serious backpumps.
So far, no sides to speak of yet. Will reduce winny to 25mg ED if joints start acting up.
Pulled a muscle in my right shoulder… hurts like a son of a bitch… can’t move my arm at all. Three days into my cycle… crap. I’m going to stop and try again in a few weeks.
