Just wanted to hear some experience from guys who have done short cycles. For someone on TRT, this type of cycling seems almost perfect. As there is no need for recovery, getting in and out quick should reduce sides and give small quality gains.
4 weeks of Elevated BP/liver enzymes > 8 weeks of elevated BP and liver enzymes.
The choice seems pretty clear.
Combos:
Test p/npp/mast p/var = 100/350/300/350
Test p/tren a/mast p/var = 100/350/300/350
As we get older, longevity and health become more of a concern so for the average Joe, shouldn’t short cycles like this be the norm?
I’ve considered this a few times but never pulled the trigger. I guess my big question is how much actual muscle can be gained on these brief cycles (or blasts) and how many would be necessary to meet the goal of one longer blast?
Because I don’t know how to answer that I’ve stayed away. But I have some NPP laying around and I’ve been tempted to do this.
This is something I’ve been considering but more of a 5 or 6 week cycle.
There is a protocol called run and gun. Running short ester blasts 6 weeks on and 6 weeks TRT dose and repeat. Supposedly helps keep some of the negative blood test numbers at bay unlike longer cycles of long esters.
One protocol called for test prop 100mg ed, npp 75mg ed, dbol 30mg ed for 6 weeks then drop to trt dose. Then ramp it back up again.
My guess is it works really well. I might join ya as soon as I’m out of what I have.
I been on TRT 6 years now started blasting 3 years ago. It take me 4-5 weeks of an elevated T injection to just to start to feel the effects. I will never do a shorter cycle than 12 weeks unless I just have to abort it for HCT or something like that.
Seems like if 4 or even 6 weeks had decent results you’d have more people doing it. That said I did get better than expected results from 6 weeks of 50mg winstrol while on TRT dose T but that’s not the same as what y’all are talking about. Plus I wouldn’t do the winstrol again because it made me so lethargic outside the gym. Strength gains were incredible though.
This run and gun protocol is exactly what I was thinking. For something like NPP, it could be extended to 5 or 6 weeks and for Tren ace 4-5 weeks should be sufficient. I read a while ago that this the normal way of cycling in the middle east, short bursts to gain a few lbs of lean mass. @osu122975
I didn’t say the doses would be higher on a shorter cycle, sorry I should have mentioned that doses will be as normal maybe with a frontload on the first shot.
I think you miss the point of the shorter cycle, yes over time it will be the same time on, however its duration of being on in one given blast that, in theory should be beneficial. Elevation of BP and liver/kidney values for 4 weeks at a time should pose less risk than being on for double that amount. @unreal24278
Another benefit would be the lower amount of weight gained, meaning less of a pressure on the heart to keep up. Adding 15-20lbs isn’t healthy, 4-5lbs lean mass should be much easier to deal with.
The point is to use shorter esters and frontload so it doesn’t take 10 weeks to reach peak levels, no enanthate esters can be used. Acetate and propionate/phenylpropionate should peak quick, and leave just as quick. @hrdlvn
I just dont think enough people have tried this approach for it to be common practice. Most people just go with the cookie cutter 12 weeks at 500mg Test E cycles and don’t really experiment with anything else. Around 8-10 years ago on this board shorter cycles were more common from what I remember, but then the old timers left and so did their knowledge. @dextermorgan
My guess also is most people don’t like pinning that often either. Most of them wanna run cycles going on and coming off. I can’t imagine running cycles like that off and on without being on TRT to bridge that gap.
Nothing wrong pinning all the time tbh. It takes two minutes out of your entire day. Hell, it takes me longer to take a shit so its not much of an inconveniance haha.
Haha agreed, especially if pinning small volumes with insulin pins. Backfill them all at the start of the week and you’re good to go @weightliftingwithoutlimits
Hence why I’m revisiting them again now, while on TRT. The last time I tried them I wasn’t, I did do well but I did 2 on 4 off and after the 2nd one recovery was slower. I think on TRT, they seem perfect. @osu122975
I was already kind of doing this last year, I was just adding 50mg Var/d for 4 weeks at a time alongside my 100mg of Test and it was the best I’ve looked so far.
Well I have sub’d to this page I hope to see pics and blood tests proving this short cycle works. I’ll be the first to post (((way to go nice gains))) but I ain’t just taking someones word for it.
You got to prove it or it didn’t happen.
So it intresting you posted this I just stared a short blast about 4 days ago I wanted to do something but didn’t want to commit to a 12 week cycle so after bloods gave me the all good I decided on a 6 week cycle altho I am using an enenthate (tren) but I’m also using tren base as well. It’s a test, tren, mast, superdrol cycle (test and mast are my cruise so no chnage there) essentially it’s only a 4 week cycle as Im starting tren E then adding the tren base/superdrol for 4 weeks. I just started the tren base/superdrol a few days ago so will let you know how things went in 4 weeks.
I know superdrol is extremely toxic so I’m interested to see the effects with the use of tudca and nac and wondering if it being injectable superdrol will make any difference.
Im actually using a mix. Ironic because I constantly preach my disdain for mixes but this mix happened to be exactly what I needed. It’s 50mg tren base 30mg s-drop per ML. Pinning 3 days on 1 off for 30 days pre-workout 1-2 hours before.
Fwiw the mix has guaiacol in it idk if it’s that or the drugs but the pip is fucking horrible and hard to pin anywhere besides glutes. It also has a wierd tatse it gives in throat.
tren and superdrol? Dam, wont you get lethargic as hell on that combination?
Always been interested in superdrol, but people say, despite the insane strength increases, they just become walking zombies to the point they cant even train.