Stacking Drol and Dbol!

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Hehe, ok then. Sometime mid-August I will do the following:

week 1-8: 100mg ED anadrol
week 1-8: 25mg ED winstrol
week 1-6: 30mg ED dianabol
week 1-6: .25 EOD adex

Will definetely keep nolva handy, possibly run it at 10mg ED from the start.

Have had good experience with a few short two weekers of anadrol/winstrol previously, so will keep a bit of winny in there as it seems to counter some of the drol sides.

I know everybody thinks my liver will die about halfway through this, but I am actually much more concerned about gyno.

Anyone got any comments besides “you must always inject”, “test must always be the base”, “orals are evil”?

Is the adex dose sufficient to counter gyno?

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[quote]balisong wrote:
Hehe, ok then. Sometime mid-August I will do the following:

week 1-8: 100mg ED anadrol
week 1-8: 25mg ED winstrol
week 1-6: 30mg ED dianabol
week 1-6: .25 EOD adex

Will definetely keep nolva handy, possibly run it at 10mg ED from the start.

Have had good experience with a few short two weekers of anadrol/winstrol previously, so will keep a bit of winny in there as it seems to counter some of the drol sides.

I know everybody thinks my liver will die about halfway through this, but I am actually much more concerned about gyno.

Anyone got any comments besides “you must always inject”, “test must always be the base”, “orals are evil”?

Is the adex dose sufficient to counter gyno?[/quote]

If you tolerated the “Anastrol” well before, then put the other 25mg/day of winstrol back in. I would do that before adding the adex amount.

That winstrol was helping keep the drol from gynoizing your titties in the first place, and you seem worried about that, and not worried about your liver, so why the fuck would you drop sir Winston down to only 25, whilst adding another major aromatizer in, albeit at a modest 30mg/day?

Seems to be the smart thing to do if it were me. You didn’t have any joint issues before correct? And you have more water as a result of the dbol now, so why drop it down? More quality gains would be the result as opposed to adex which won’t add anything gainwise.

I would do the same, keep your winstrol at 50/day, and run the adex the way you have it. Increasing it if any signs pop up related to gyno. Should be a good run, and like juice said, somewhat keepable to a degree, dependent on your training first and foremost.

Good on you for steppin into the batters box after getting redundant about the whole thing already, lol.

ToneBone

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Well, actually I DO get somewhat creaky joints from the winstrol, especially hips and shoulders so that’s my reasoning for reducing the amount.

I got NO visible bloat whatsoever while running drol/winstrol at 100/50 before.

Did gain a few pounds of weight each time, but most noticeable (and important to me anyway) was the strength gains.

Still, since dbol should increase water somewhat, I may actually start out with winny at 50mg ED.

As for training I guess just about any hard training with mostly compound lifts would do the trick. I was contemplating trying doggcrapp training. Have read about it both here on T-Nation and over at intensemuscle.com for a while and it seems very appealing after having done the 10 sets of 3 for quite some time now.

Also, will be sure to eat a LOT for the 8 weeks on. Should be fun!

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If you’re going to go the DC training route…find the REAL original version and follow it. that training method should not be bastardized. you’ll think you are doing way too little at first in the way of volume and frequency…just stick with it as outlined.

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lmao@gynoizing!

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It’s not polite to laugh at other peoples’ tits!

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[quote]balisong wrote:
It’s not polite to laugh at other peoples’ tits! [/quote]

Well, if you did, or were, experiencing joint issues, then you might not want to run the win the whole 8 weeks at 50/day. Maybe towards the end or split up between the start and finish at 50, with 25 the other time on.

I think I remember you kept your carbs low to moderate last time also yes? Though carbs add a lot to the whole muscle building equation, I would still keep them on the low side to help with sides on this deal, but that’s just my thought.

When you gonna give it a go?

Should be an interesting comparison to your drol/win shorties, during the first two to three weeks on.

Ciao.

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I think I’ll start out with win at 50mg, since dbol should bring in more water, but will adjust if joints are acting up.

Yeah i ate a fairly low carb diet during the shorties. I think this time I will try for a bit more mass and will up both carbs, protein and total cals.

Going to Egypt in two weeks, and will be there for two, so sometime shortly after that I’ll be good to go!

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Ok, back from vacation in Egypt.

Have readjusted my drol/dbol cycle a little bit.
Originally I intended to go for 8 weeks starting next week. However, this would give only two weeks of pct before traveling abroad for 5 days (work-related).

I’m guessing interrupting pct for a full 5 days is not a good idea after 8 weeks on several orals.

So it’ll be just a 6 weeker, with 4 weeks of PCT.
Starting on monday if I get everything I need in time (which I should).

week 1-6: 100mg anadrol, 30-40mg dianabol, 25-50mg winstrol, 10 mg nolva.
week 7-10: 20 mg nolvadex (considering adding clomid for the first two weeks)

Training:Doggcrap
Food: 300-400g protein pr day, calories high, carbs fairly high too.

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8 weeks on drol and dbol was nothing less than fucking stupid anyway.

People rarely run 8 weeks on either alone at the dosages you are using. Let alone both at fairly high dosages and together too…

It is kinda like running 200mg drol or 100mg dbol… you just wouldnt do it.

Interested to see what happens though… you gonna make sure you got LFT before, during and after?

JJ

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[quote] Brook wrote:
8 weeks on drol and dbol was nothing less than fucking stupid anyway.

People rarely run 8 weeks on either alone at the dosages you are using. Let alone both at fairly high dosages and together too…

It is kinda like running 200mg drol or 100mg dbol… you just wouldnt do it.

Interested to see what happens though… you gonna make sure you got LFT before, during and after?

JJ[/quote]

Since you know it to be stupid, have you tried it then, or know someone who has?

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what has that got to do with the price of fish?

Nope… because it is stupid - because i know that dosages of 2mg per kg bodyweight of drol are proven to cause very serious liver problems over time…
I know that over 50mg a day of dianabol is extremely toxic in return for lesser gains.
I know that dianabol and drol dosed together wouldnt be so bad but both used at full whack for 8 weeks is nothing short of dumb.

I know you are now doing 6 weeks but it wasnt due to safety it was due to time.

I am not trying to piss you off, or flame you - i am just calling it as i see it. Just as i would if you were stood in front of me.

I hope you dont drink.

And you didnt answer the LFT question bali…

JJ

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Can you point me to a link where 2 mg drol/kg of bodyweight where causing liver problems?

And what’s “over time” anyway? When prescribed for wasting diseases etc I have read that people use anadrol for six to eighteen months at a time. That’s not even remotely comparable to six-eight weeks.

LFT? Guessing this is short for Liver…something?

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Anyway, I’m not using as much as 50mg dbol (and since it’s from a UG lab, it’s most likely underdosed as well), and no more than 100mg drol. Not THAT crazy dosages I think.

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[quote]balisong wrote:
Anyway, I’m not using as much as 50mg dbol (and since it’s from a UG lab, it’s most likely underdosed as well), and no more than 100mg drol. Not THAT crazy dosages I think.[/quote]

I don’t know if you remember but I did actually do a shorty of all 3 compounds together.
It did ok, but really the gains were pretty much just the same as when I did the drol/win by itself. One thing was the pre-wkout energy/strength levels were up, other than that my general feeling was not as good as when the dbol was left out of the picture as well.

Just my 2 cents.

I think even 6 weeks with all 3 would be pushing things as Brook has mentioned, 8 definitely would be out of the question imho.

At any rate, good luck with whatever you decide.

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[quote]InTheZone wrote:
balisong wrote:
Anyway, I’m not using as much as 50mg dbol (and since it’s from a UG lab, it’s most likely underdosed as well), and no more than 100mg drol. Not THAT crazy dosages I think.

I don’t know if you remember but I did actually do a shorty of all 3 compounds together.
It did ok, but really the gains were pretty much just the same as when I did the drol/win by itself. One thing was the pre-wkout energy/strength levels were up, other than that my general feeling was not as good as when the dbol was left out of the picture as well.

Just my 2 cents.

I think even 6 weeks with all 3 would be pushing things as Brook has mentioned, 8 definitely would be out of the question imho.

At any rate, good luck with whatever you decide.[/quote]

Didn’t know you had ran them together, thought you’d done the drol/win combo and then a dbol/var combo separately.
Anyway, interesting info.
I will start out as planned, and of course adjust if needed (like if sides seem to exceed benefits).

Mostly concerned with being able to retain gains actually.

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Assuming a drug is underdosed is a ridiculous way to dose your drugs.

You are correct 40mg isnt 50mg - but 40mg is enough DBol on its own let alone stacking it with another 17AA drug.

100mg drol isnt too crazy alone… but again stacking it with 40mg dbol is getting on the crazy side IMO.

The 2mg/lb was given to patients with muscle wasting diseases… and over time was longer than 6 weeks… much longer - nearer the amount of time you mentioned - and it gave most of them liver problems. I dont have the link to hand, look it up if you are interested.
8 Weeks is a long time on 17AA… but doable as long as the dosages are moderate. Your dosages are moderate when used alone - together it isnt moderate - you seem unable to comprehend that and i am done telling you different - its your body, go do your cycle.

And if you dont know what LFT is with 980mg of 17AA steroids in your body per week - then i have no sympathy for you in the slightest.

You may be fine - but you are pushing your luck - and when there is simply no need to take the risk you are taking with steroids, it is simply irresponsible and stupid on your behalf.

JJ

EDIT: you mention that you will adjust the cycle if the sides outweigh the benefits… well the most dangerous side you are likely to encounter doesnt produce symptoms like that.
Why is it so difficult for some people to listen to reasonable caution and back pedal that little - if it is an ego thing, you are truly ignorant.

JJ

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It’s not an ego thing. It’s an “I like results” thing. Also, I really don’t believe the exaggerated stories about the dangers of orals.

And I HAVE read alot, especially about anadrol, and when used medically and in studies, the dangers to the liver are NOT as great as some would have you believe on various boards, even though it’s prescribed for six months at 150mg and higher.

Anyway, six weeks can’t even be compared.

Still, I am not here to start any kind of internet fight. If you were to run anadrol, dbol and winny for six weeks, what would be your dosages? (yes, I know you wouldn’t, but hypothetically…)

Also, I don’t dose based on assumption that my drugs are underdosed. But since they’re not pharm-grade they very likely are. Just an observation.

Edit: Take a look at this study. Now tell me anadrol will kill me in six weeks.

H

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[quote]balisong wrote:
Can you point me to a link where 2 mg drol/kg of bodyweight where causing liver problems?

And what’s “over time” anyway? When prescribed for wasting diseases etc I have read that people use anadrol for six to eighteen months at a time. That’s not even remotely comparable to six-eight weeks.

LFT? Guessing this is short for Liver…something?

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Liver Function Test is all it means. Just a basic profile it would be good to have monitored during your cycle.

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yes, I figured it out! Between reading these forums as well as forums discussing various projection technologies and work-related stuff there are just too many three-letter acronyms floating around in my head! :slight_smile: