I tried to make the topic as intriguing as possible for a LESS intriguing topic, but relative to the topic. When people talk about squats, do you assume most are talking about ATG style or 90 deg\box style squats.
In another thread, someone was telling me about my workout and the standards of an 198 lb lifter. I am pretty much advanced to elite if the standard for squats is box\90 degree, but only intermediate if it is ATG. I was just wondering the opinion…
When people talk about squats, I assume they are referring to 30-degree knee bend unracking and re-racking, because that’s all I see them doing.
If you’re talking about one of those standards charts, they usually mean ATG.
I agree with medevac here.
And no offence but you don’t look like you can parallel squat over 500lbs, which a 200lb man should be able to handle if he considers himself “advanced to elite”.
These types of measures are completely irrelevant though. If you want to know where you really stand, then compete in a PL meet and find out for sure.
It was 504 for elite, I can squat 475 lbs. I don’t have leg photos, so your judgment on that is skewed. My legs are actually my strongest part of my body. Also, my avatar is from when I was 17.
When someone just says squats I assume they are talking about (or should be talking about) squatting until the femur is parallel to the ground. Not ATG squats and not PL competition squats but at least parallel.
Thats pretty cool how you added 100 lbs to your (Im assuming) box squat in less than a month:
[quote]Thewannabe wrote:
Wow, still a lot of controversy about this. Well, if it makes you happy, my lift numbers don’t correlate with my size, at least I don’t think they do.
Bench - 250 lbs
Deadlift - 400 lbs
Squat ATG - 295 lbs
Box Squat - 375 lbs
Power Clean - 215 lbs
Pullups - Bodyweight + 40lbs (I think this is my weakest)
Overhead Squat - 185 lbs[/quote]
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Thats pretty cool how you added 100 lbs to your (Im assuming) box squat in less than a month:
Thewannabe wrote:
Wow, still a lot of controversy about this. Well, if it makes you happy, my lift numbers don’t correlate with my size, at least I don’t think they do.
Bench - 250 lbs
Deadlift - 400 lbs
Squat ATG - 295 lbs
Box Squat - 375 lbs
Power Clean - 215 lbs
Pullups - Bodyweight + 40lbs (I think this is my weakest)
Overhead Squat - 185 lbs
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So ummmm where’s that 400+ squat of yours?
haha…how did u think someone wasn’t going to catch this?
I have a hard time believing the 375 much less the 475.
[quote]detazathoth wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Thats pretty cool how you added 100 lbs to your (Im assuming) box squat in less than a month:
Thewannabe wrote:
Wow, still a lot of controversy about this. Well, if it makes you happy, my lift numbers don’t correlate with my size, at least I don’t think they do.
Bench - 250 lbs
Deadlift - 400 lbs
Squat ATG - 295 lbs
Box Squat - 375 lbs
Power Clean - 215 lbs
Pullups - Bodyweight + 40lbs (I think this is my weakest)
Overhead Squat - 185 lbs
So ummmm where’s that 400+ squat of yours?
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I thought I edited that with an update, maybe it was in a different post… lemme find it so I don’t look like a jackass.
[quote]Thewannabe wrote:
sawadeekrob wrote:
Thewannabe wrote:
I’m just gonna finish up my 4 weeks I guess, people are telling me this is too much :. Oh well, regardless I’m not on AAS and I don’t plan to unless I’m in my late 40’s. It is 70 sets though because you do 5 sets for the A section and 5 sets for the B section. Thanks for the advice, I’ll just finish up and post results and move on.
I understand the goal of mass and burn some extra cals while you are working out. However at your stage it is too much. Err on the side of doing too little that way you have all the energy to focus on 1 or 2 exercises.
Steroids are not for you. Anabolic Food (meat, fish, chicken, eggs and milk) is needed urgently.
Alternatively, if you are really really determined. Do a squat specialization now. You said in another thread that you are starting with ATG. Take them only until you can do 2 wheels per side. Then add the other exercises. You will not look “pretty” but in 3 years time you will be ahead of all the kids your age.
Legs and back are the foundation of all power.
:\ I don’t think I’m learning the difference between stimulating muscle and annihilating muscle. My Box\90deg squat is around 375 lbs, while my ATG squat is 295 lbs. I am not a beginner, it is just I wanted to experiment with a new program.
EDIT : Just tested box squat today, around 435 lbs, failed on 455, but did 405 five times w/ a tad left over in the system. Maybe I was just tired, I dunno, I’ll test it again.[/quote]
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1804116
I guess I did over-estimate my numbers, but I’ll try to get a video of this so I can have some creditability.
I just started using a 12 inch box and let me tell you i have had to drop weight big time, i can barely get to the box my hips act like they do not want to open up, its been a rude awakening but a good one, started Bill Starr’s 5*5 last week
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I guess I did over-estimate my numbers, but I’ll try to get a video of this so I can have some creditability.[/quote]
First off why over-estimate anything, either you have lifted that much or you haven’t. I love how people just toss out number without ever having even tried the weight before.
[quote]Outrage247 wrote:
I guess I did over-estimate my numbers, but I’ll try to get a video of this so I can have some creditability.
First off why over-estimate anything, either you have lifted that much or you haven’t. I love how people just toss out number without ever having even tried the weight before.
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Yeah, it's lame. You played the game, you got 'tagged'. The keyboard really gets the weight up there.
Where's a leg picture too? Let me guess, you don't have a digital camera? Shut us up with some proof.
This may be slightly off topic, but am I the only one that thinks it’s hardest to squat to parallel as opposed to 90 degrees or ATG?
Stopping and reversing the movement below parallel is much easier for me.
If I elevate my heels and stop a exactlyt parallel, the tension on my quads is excrutiating!
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
This may be slightly off topic, but am I the only one that thinks it’s hardest to squat to parallel as opposed to 90 degrees or ATG?
Stopping and reversing the movement below parallel is much easier for me.
If I elevate my heels and stop a exactlyt parallel, the tension on my quads is excrutiating![/quote]
Well, parallel is 90 degrees, but box squat is where you stop completely and relax your muscles, then engage them again.
You sure about that? 
I’d like to see your elite box squat in a video
Box squats should be less than a parallel squat. When someone puts up their squat max I assume they’re doing whatever stance gives them the most power and they’re going to parallel. Or they’re lying about their numbers.