Someone Is Full Of It...

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]RJ24 wrote:
CrewPierce wrote:
RJ24 wrote:
I should also note that I went from 225 lbs on the bench press to 305 lbs by training above 90% twice a week for two months. It didn’t burn me out. The only side effect was that I got a lot stronger pretty damn quickly.

Did anyone else notice this HUGE jump in weight?? You went from 225 to 305 in 2months? Uhhh maybe someone can open my eyes but I don’t know anyone who has jumped up that high in 2months.

That was when I first started training. I hit about 10-15 singles at 90% in the bench press and then went to do pull ups, rows, and tricep extensions. I did that twice a week for 2 months and added 5 lbs to the bench press weight each session.

After that point, I kind of stopped lifting weights for my upper body. I’ve been training for around 2 years now and have only trained upper body for about 4-5 months total.

As a sprinter, I need to keep my weight down and most resistance training makes me blow up within a couple of weeks. Before this track season I included upper body work for about a month and gained 10 lbs, which killed my long jump.

Also, if you think that’s amazing, this spring I took my front squat from 205 x 5 to 285 x 4 in the span of a month. Getting strong and gaining muscle has always come easily for me. Unfortunately, speed is not so easy to come by.

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I find that very hard to believe

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[quote]RJ24 wrote:
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RJ, nice Sharpie work on those spikes!

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Austin, you may not believe it, but that’s what happened. When I focus all of my energy on gaining strength it comes very easily, for this reason I tend to ignore it. In fact, during that span, I went from 265 x 4 to 285 x 4 in the span of 5 days. Here are the links:
265: Front Squat 265 x 4 - YouTube

285: Front Squat 285 x 4 - YouTube

On Edge, sorry, but no sharpie work. Those are just how my spikes look. I’ve always wanted to try to sharpie a shoe, but lack the artistic talent to do a good job.

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[quote]RJ24 wrote:
Austin, you may not believe it, but that’s what happened. When I focus all of my energy on gaining strength it comes very easily, for this reason I tend to ignore it. In fact, during that span, I went from 265 x 4 to 285 x 4 in the span of 5 days. Here are the links:
265: Front Squat 265 x 4 - YouTube

285: Front Squat 285 x 4 - YouTube

On Edge, sorry, but no sharpie work. Those are just how my spikes look. I’ve always wanted to try to sharpie a shoe, but lack the artistic talent to do a good job.[/quote]

Thats more beleivable then 225 to 305 bench in two months

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KBC,

Thank you. The respect of fellow competitors (whatever the disicipline) is infinately more important to me than that of a keyboard warrior.

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Hanley wrote:

Nope. All you have is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

The good the bad the ugly.

Good lifts

unfortunately its bad that you have people talking shit about what they don’t know, instead of just arguing their point.

Anything you said before that would’ve been smart and common sense was probably overlooked. Now that you state your numbers you can recommend some numbnuts to eat 2twinkies and a vegatable at every meal, squat every day twice a day to add 200 lbs to their bench and they will believe you.[/quote]

THanks bro, Like I said (well by me I mean Shakespeare), people are so determined to make as much noise as possible so they can be noticed that it doesn’t matter if what they’re saying has no substance.

I try to avoid quoting my numbers and saying oh listen to me because I’m so deadly. It seems that since alot of people here are capable of the same and MUCH MUCH more than me (apparently…) that attempting to define your knowledge of what works by numbers is useless.

And to be honest I don’t think I’m at a level now where I can use my numbers as an example. I think there’s alot more to come from me before I can start to do that.

Anyways the bottom line is, I put my heart and soul into training and competing. I live, sleep and breathe it. So when some nobody comes on and attempts to criticise my dedication and abilities I don’t know how to react other than with bemusement.

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It seems everybody has done a good job here replying. I’ll throw one more athletic pool that disregards the Louie axiom–Olympic lifters. Specifically those from Bulgaria. They do the same exercises month in and month out, often at 90% + and get stronger. Louie’s talking specifically about his lifting population. And, as stated, there are different ways that work even in that population. Just depends on the person.

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[quote]RJ24 wrote:
As far as getting stronger, yeah I’m a genetic freak (good CNS and lots of white fiber). When it comes to my sport though (sprinting) I really suck (my PR is 11.90). I’m working on it though, but Alaska’s climate isn’t really helping me any. [/quote]

So you’re a genetic freak of nature when it comes to gaining strength, you have an abundance of fast twitch muscle, yet you suck at sprinting? Odd combination.

But if you’re so awesome at gaining strength and stink at sprinting, have you ever considered switching sports?

Something’s just not fitting right with your story…

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[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
RJ24 wrote:
As far as getting stronger, yeah I’m a genetic freak (good CNS and lots of white fiber). When it comes to my sport though (sprinting) I really suck (my PR is 11.90). I’m working on it though, but Alaska’s climate isn’t really helping me any.

So you’re a genetic freak of nature when it comes to gaining strength, you have an abundance of fast twitch muscle, yet you suck at sprinting? Odd combination.

But if you’re so awesome at gaining strength and stink at sprinting, have you ever considered switching sports?

Something’s just not fitting right with your story…[/quote]

Okay, if I must explain myself.

I picked up sports last year at 18 years of age. This is coming from an almost entirely sedentary four years of high school. I was a good athlete naturally, but a few things are off.

One, I’m lacking flexibility, and it’s killing my running economy. Also, I have no skill built up in the movement.

Two, I’ve got medium sized joints and short tendons, not good for top speed. My accel is fine, but that’s about it.

Three, I weigh 205 @ 6’1", heavy for a sprinter.

Four, I have no anaerobic energy system. Years of sitting on my ass has killed it off.

I could be better at a lot of sports than I am at the 100M, but I like the challenge, so I’m sticking with the sprints. And I may not be fast now, but again, I’m just starting to pick up sports. It’ll take me a while to get good.

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
KBC,

Thank you. The respect of fellow competitors (whatever the disicipline) is infinately more important to me than that of a keyboard warrior.

Airtruth wrote:
Hanley wrote:

Nope. All you have is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

The good the bad the ugly.

Good lifts

unfortunately its bad that you have people talking shit about what they don’t know, instead of just arguing their point.

Anything you said before that would’ve been smart and common sense was probably overlooked. Now that you state your numbers you can recommend some numbnuts to eat 2twinkies and a vegatable at every meal, squat every day twice a day to add 200 lbs to their bench and they will believe you.

THanks bro, Like I said (well by me I mean Shakespeare), people are so determined to make as much noise as possible so they can be noticed that it doesn’t matter if what they’re saying has no substance.

I try to avoid quoting my numbers and saying oh listen to me because I’m so deadly. It seems that since alot of people here are capable of the same and MUCH MUCH more than me (apparently…) that attempting to define your knowledge of what works by numbers is useless.

And to be honest I don’t think I’m at a level now where I can use my numbers as an example. I think there’s alot more to come from me before I can start to do that.

Anyways the bottom line is, I put my heart and soul into training and competing. I live, sleep and breathe it. So when some nobody comes on and attempts to criticise my dedication and abilities I don’t know how to react other than with bemusement.[/quote]

Solid post, all the best with your training Hanley.

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If your a genetic freak then so be it. But I think your videos prove our theories that your numbers are slightly flawed. You went from front squatting 265x4 to 285 by 4 in four days, however you did not improve your 4 rep front squat max by 20lbs in 4 days.

A max means the most you can do, the first video you had more in the tank and looks like you may well have been able to do ATLEAST 275 probably 285by 4 that day. Either way its a good front squat and good luck with your running.

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
k1t0r5 wrote:
I love it when people always back stuff up by saying, “Louie Simmons says (insert random statement here)”. He is a genius when it comes to training for powerlifting. Does that mean whatever he says is written in stone and applies to all other lifting populations?

I’ll answer it for you…NO.

Exactly. Is Louie brilliant, yup. One of the best in the world.

Is his way the only way? No.

Look at the Russian IPF lifters and Wade Hooper, they rarely go above 90% with Sheiko and tey’re doing just fine (but like oh mi gosh that’s SOOOO not westside!)

Look at Brad Gillingham. One of the top US SHW’s. He trains with a lot of 5x5’s and beltless work. He’s pulled 800+ something like 30-40 times I think at this stage.

Tradtitional western periodisation worked for years before all of this. Hell, it STILL works.

I keep saying this but people are WAY too quick to jump on the westside bandwagon. Of course it works. It works damn well. I just hate to see people becoming a slave to one particular training style and not giving others a shot.
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I never said that Westside was the only way. What I said was that this program contradicts the theory that WSB is based upon.

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[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
I never said that Westside was the only way. What I said was that this program contradicts the theory that WSB is based upon.
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As does sheiko.

As does western periodization.

Do they not work either? If something doesn’t parrallel with WSB is it not effective?

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
Julius_Caesar wrote:
I never said that Westside was the only way. What I said was that this program contradicts the theory that WSB is based upon.

As does sheiko.

As does western periodization.

Do they not work either? If something doesn’t parrallel with WSB is it not effective?[/quote]

A typical periodization routine doesn’t “contradict” WSB in the way that they usually don’t call for much more than 3 weeks of 90% and over training. This is the point. Either you can train for 6 or 7 weeks of 90% and over like this program calls for or you can’t.

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I don’t know much… but one thing I know for sure is that there are very few absolutes in the field of strength training.

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I dont see how the conjugate method as used by Westside Barbell could contradict typical periodization as WSB grew out of that tradition.

As you read Louie’s writings on why the conjugate method is effective, you come to realize that the ideas that many (Simmons himself not included) credit to Simmons are simply instances that Louie has taken the old knowledge and synthesized solutions to the problems that arose from it (ie, deterioration of one skill during an unrelated training phase).

Sometimes these arguments make me wonder how many people who are kissing one coach or the other’s taint really know the logic behind what they are doing.

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Sorry bud, but this is genetic freak. You’re average.

http://ironscene.com/view_video.php?viewkey=101e2c58bd89ec149400

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[quote]tveddy wrote:
Sorry bud, but this is genetic freak. You’re average.

http://ironscene.com/view_video.php?viewkey=101e2c58bd89ec149400

haha,

i am glad somebody finally said something like this to this guy.
i knew i could not be the only one who was getting tired of how “naturally strong” and “genetic freak” that this guy is.

but hey, everybody in the strength game needs to bow down and thand the lord that RJ is devoting all his energy at sprinting, otherwise he would dominate them all.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:
tveddy wrote:
Sorry bud, but this is genetic freak. You’re average.

http://ironscene.com/view_video.php?viewkey=101e2c58bd89ec149400

haha,

i am glad somebody finally said something like this to this guy.
i knew i could not be the only one who was getting tired of how “naturally strong” and “genetic freak” that this guy is.

but hey, everybody in the strength game needs to bow down and thand the lord that RJ is devoting all his energy at sprinting, otherwise he would dominate them all.
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I’ve argued in the past with him, but he insisted that he’s a freak. I’ve given up. I don’t understand what could possibly make him think that. He must have no frame of reference.

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
heavythrower wrote:
tveddy wrote:
Sorry bud, but this is genetic freak. You’re average.

http://ironscene.com/view_video.php?viewkey=101e2c58bd89ec149400

haha,

i am glad somebody finally said something like this to this guy.
i knew i could not be the only one who was getting tired of how “naturally strong” and “genetic freak” that this guy is.

but hey, everybody in the strength game needs to bow down and thand the lord that RJ is devoting all his energy at sprinting, otherwise he would dominate them all.

I’ve argued in the past with him, but he insisted that he’s a freak. I’ve given up. I don’t understand what could possibly make him think that. He must have no frame of reference.[/quote]

I have been biting my tongue as well. The no frame of reference thing sounds about right. Either that or delusional.

I think on Friday I am going to video myself doing a triple at 225 for my pulls then on Monday video 550 for a triple and post that I put 325#'s on my pull in 3 days. That should secure me solid status in the Genetic Freak Wars, right?

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Damn he looked young people don’t want to kill his hopes and dreams.