Some Heavybag Session

Bigger Stronger Leaner
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[quote]Dre Cappa wrote:
Nice job man. You look very fluid. Nice and relaxed, good crisp punches. You like like you got some fast hands. The gym I lift at now has a heavy bag, so I’ll hit it on my non-lifting days just for a workout. Do you have any set guidelines for your sessions? Or do you just kind of throw whatever you want for timed rounds?[/quote]

thanks man… ya i’ll have a guideline or things im going to work on for the heavy bag session, always trying to fix something or modify/add a combo/counter/movement etc… im just getting back into it so im speaking from 3+ years ago when i was really on point, but ya i always have a strategy… for example i’ll pick one or more of these (and much more):

  • more jabs
  • more lead rights
  • more covering up then digging to body and back to head
  • more shoulder rolls
  • more movement
  • rely mostly on jab, shoulder roll and come back with hard right, back to roll
  • only jabs, tons
  • etc…

just to give you an idea…

peace man!

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’ve never boxed, but I will be starting on Wednesday nights next week after BJJ class. Anyway I might sound like a complete moron, but aren’t your hands a bit low. I always thought even when just shadow boxing/hitting the heavy bag you should be keeping your hands up??
[/quote]

He’s got his hands low because he fights out of a kind of Philly shell, which has your lead arm over your ribs and liver and your back hand up, and uses the shoulder roll and the shoulder itself to block punches. You’ve got to be quick to pull it off, and most of the guys who use it are pure boxers.
[/quote]

hmm interesting, I was taught the philly shell/shoulder roll as a setup technique. Way my coach taught me was to drop the left/lead hand to give them a false opening, tuck up the shoulder, and then slip and throw an uppercut when they take the opening. I’ve never been able to pull it off in sparring though, so I’ve taken inspiration from Mayweather and roll back and return with a big right hand.

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[quote]adarqui wrote:

[quote]Dre Cappa wrote:
Nice job man. You look very fluid. Nice and relaxed, good crisp punches. You like like you got some fast hands. The gym I lift at now has a heavy bag, so I’ll hit it on my non-lifting days just for a workout. Do you have any set guidelines for your sessions? Or do you just kind of throw whatever you want for timed rounds?[/quote]

thanks man… ya i’ll have a guideline or things im going to work on for the heavy bag session, always trying to fix something or modify/add a combo/counter/movement etc… im just getting back into it so im speaking from 3+ years ago when i was really on point, but ya i always have a strategy… for example i’ll pick one or more of these (and much more):

  • more jabs
  • more lead rights
  • more covering up then digging to body and back to head
  • more shoulder rolls
  • more movement
  • rely mostly on jab, shoulder roll and come back with hard right, back to roll
  • only jabs, tons
  • etc…

just to give you an idea…

peace man![/quote]

So, when you say that you always have a strategy, does that mean that your strategy is designed to deal with a specific type of fighter? Say, like a taller fighter who you’ve got to work on getting in on, or counter puncher who’s timing you’re trying to throw off, or a brawler who you’ve got to use superior distancing/angles to stay away from their power?

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

[quote]adarqui wrote:

[quote]Dre Cappa wrote:
Nice job man. You look very fluid. Nice and relaxed, good crisp punches. You like like you got some fast hands. The gym I lift at now has a heavy bag, so I’ll hit it on my non-lifting days just for a workout. Do you have any set guidelines for your sessions? Or do you just kind of throw whatever you want for timed rounds?[/quote]

thanks man… ya i’ll have a guideline or things im going to work on for the heavy bag session, always trying to fix something or modify/add a combo/counter/movement etc… im just getting back into it so im speaking from 3+ years ago when i was really on point, but ya i always have a strategy… for example i’ll pick one or more of these (and much more):

  • more jabs
  • more lead rights
  • more covering up then digging to body and back to head
  • more shoulder rolls
  • more movement
  • rely mostly on jab, shoulder roll and come back with hard right, back to roll
  • only jabs, tons
  • etc…

just to give you an idea…

peace man![/quote]

So, when you say that you always have a strategy, does that mean that your strategy is designed to deal with a specific type of fighter? Say, like a taller fighter who you’ve got to work on getting in on, or counter puncher who’s timing you’re trying to throw off, or a brawler who you’ve got to use superior distancing/angles to stay away from their power?[/quote]

Yes, generally that’s what people mean when they say they’ve a strategy for people.

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’ve never boxed, but I will be starting on Wednesday nights next week after BJJ class. Anyway I might sound like a complete moron, but aren’t your hands a bit low. I always thought even when just shadow boxing/hitting the heavy bag you should be keeping your hands up??
[/quote]

He’s got his hands low because he fights out of a kind of Philly shell, which has your lead arm over your ribs and liver and your back hand up, and uses the shoulder roll and the shoulder itself to block punches. You’ve got to be quick to pull it off, and most of the guys who use it are pure boxers.
[/quote]

hmm interesting, I was taught the philly shell/shoulder roll as a setup technique. Way my coach taught me was to drop the left/lead hand to give them a false opening, tuck up the shoulder, and then slip and throw an uppercut when they take the opening. I’ve never been able to pull it off in sparring though, so I’ve taken inspiration from Mayweather and roll back and return with a big right hand.
[/quote]

An even easier way of setting someone up is to take a step back[then throw a straight right/left]. Joe Louis used to get people with it all the time, it just exploits the tendency people have to drop their guard[metaphorically] and follow you.

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[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

[quote]adarqui wrote:

[quote]Dre Cappa wrote:
Nice job man. You look very fluid. Nice and relaxed, good crisp punches. You like like you got some fast hands. The gym I lift at now has a heavy bag, so I’ll hit it on my non-lifting days just for a workout. Do you have any set guidelines for your sessions? Or do you just kind of throw whatever you want for timed rounds?[/quote]

thanks man… ya i’ll have a guideline or things im going to work on for the heavy bag session, always trying to fix something or modify/add a combo/counter/movement etc… im just getting back into it so im speaking from 3+ years ago when i was really on point, but ya i always have a strategy… for example i’ll pick one or more of these (and much more):

  • more jabs
  • more lead rights
  • more covering up then digging to body and back to head
  • more shoulder rolls
  • more movement
  • rely mostly on jab, shoulder roll and come back with hard right, back to roll
  • only jabs, tons
  • etc…

just to give you an idea…

peace man![/quote]

So, when you say that you always have a strategy, does that mean that your strategy is designed to deal with a specific type of fighter? Say, like a taller fighter who you’ve got to work on getting in on, or counter puncher who’s timing you’re trying to throw off, or a brawler who you’ve got to use superior distancing/angles to stay away from their power?[/quote]

Yes, generally that’s what people mean when they say they’ve a strategy for people.
[/quote]

Thanks for the reply.

I wasn’t asking what “people” mean when they mention strategy though; I was asking what the OP meant when he said it. It seemed like, from the list that he posted anyhow, he was talking more about focusing on specific skills (like jabs, shoulder rolls, maybe some combinations) than on actual strategies for facing specific types of opponents.

Nothing wrong with focusing more on specific skills (especially if he’s just getting back into it) of course, and one can still get a great workout doing so. Just wanted to clarify, because it looked like he was pretty much just fighting the same type of opponent for all the rounds that I watched (which admittedly was only to about round 4). And from his list, seems like he might either not be aware of that, or might just be choosing not to focus on it.

So, actually throwing in some strategy might be another useful component to his bag work.

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Also relevant: I fucking hate soft bags. They sap the energy and snap right out of your punches.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

[quote]adarqui wrote:

[quote]Dre Cappa wrote:
Nice job man. You look very fluid. Nice and relaxed, good crisp punches. You like like you got some fast hands. The gym I lift at now has a heavy bag, so I’ll hit it on my non-lifting days just for a workout. Do you have any set guidelines for your sessions? Or do you just kind of throw whatever you want for timed rounds?[/quote]

thanks man… ya i’ll have a guideline or things im going to work on for the heavy bag session, always trying to fix something or modify/add a combo/counter/movement etc… im just getting back into it so im speaking from 3+ years ago when i was really on point, but ya i always have a strategy… for example i’ll pick one or more of these (and much more):

  • more jabs
  • more lead rights
  • more covering up then digging to body and back to head
  • more shoulder rolls
  • more movement
  • rely mostly on jab, shoulder roll and come back with hard right, back to roll
  • only jabs, tons
  • etc…

just to give you an idea…

peace man![/quote]

So, when you say that you always have a strategy, does that mean that your strategy is designed to deal with a specific type of fighter? Say, like a taller fighter who you’ve got to work on getting in on, or counter puncher who’s timing you’re trying to throw off, or a brawler who you’ve got to use superior distancing/angles to stay away from their power?[/quote]

ya definitely ,there’s no substitute for sparring but it definitely helps to think like that when working the bag… sometimes the strategy is like you said, or sometimes it’s just aimed at a certain skill i’m working on, but it’s always one or the other.

pc

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[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’ve never boxed, but I will be starting on Wednesday nights next week after BJJ class. Anyway I might sound like a complete moron, but aren’t your hands a bit low. I always thought even when just shadow boxing/hitting the heavy bag you should be keeping your hands up??
[/quote]

He’s got his hands low because he fights out of a kind of Philly shell, which has your lead arm over your ribs and liver and your back hand up, and uses the shoulder roll and the shoulder itself to block punches. You’ve got to be quick to pull it off, and most of the guys who use it are pure boxers.
[/quote]

hmm interesting, I was taught the philly shell/shoulder roll as a setup technique. Way my coach taught me was to drop the left/lead hand to give them a false opening, tuck up the shoulder, and then slip and throw an uppercut when they take the opening. I’ve never been able to pull it off in sparring though, so I’ve taken inspiration from Mayweather and roll back and return with a big right hand.
[/quote]

That’s one way to do it- like Mayweather does.

Lots of fighters fight out of the low guard though- Arturo Gatti towards the end of his career and Joe Frazier come to mind.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’ve never boxed, but I will be starting on Wednesday nights next week after BJJ class. Anyway I might sound like a complete moron, but aren’t your hands a bit low. I always thought even when just shadow boxing/hitting the heavy bag you should be keeping your hands up??
[/quote]

He’s got his hands low because he fights out of a kind of Philly shell, which has your lead arm over your ribs and liver and your back hand up, and uses the shoulder roll and the shoulder itself to block punches. You’ve got to be quick to pull it off, and most of the guys who use it are pure boxers.
[/quote]

hmm interesting, I was taught the philly shell/shoulder roll as a setup technique. Way my coach taught me was to drop the left/lead hand to give them a false opening, tuck up the shoulder, and then slip and throw an uppercut when they take the opening. I’ve never been able to pull it off in sparring though, so I’ve taken inspiration from Mayweather and roll back and return with a big right hand.
[/quote]

That’s one way to do it- like Mayweather does.

Lots of fighters fight out of the low guard though- Arturo Gatti towards the end of his career and Joe Frazier come to mind.[/quote]

Gatti and Froch are guys that come to mind, that SHOULDN’T be doing it IMO… I mean they get tagged left and right, just doesn’t look natural for them.

pc!

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Nice stuff man, most of the things pointed out here already. Will you still be doing a lot of movement efficiency work while boxing or are you going to let the jump rope take care of most of that…anything else you are going to do/change with footwork?

How long till you wanna compete?

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What the hell is movement effciency? Who coined that phrase?

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I’ll give a couple small tips, then ask a weird question. I’m not nitpicking or anything, these are just things my own coaches have told me and it looks like we’ve got pretty similar styles:

Exaggerate your heel turn just a little bit more on your hooks and crosses (left heel/left hook, right heel/right cross). It’ll feel like you’re over-rotating a little (and you are, I suppose), but by exaggerating that movement doing bag/mitt work, it’ll become even more crisp during sparring and fighting (we never look as clean when someone is punching back at us.) You’ve already noticed the jab telegraph and such. Honestly man, I was pretty surprised/impressed. You looked good. (no homo)

Here’s the weird question part: Do you wear the hat backwards to keep your hair out of your eyes? It looks kinda shaggy. Mine is getting long and it bugs the shit out of me, but a bandana or headband would be even worse, IMO

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[quote]adarqui wrote:

[quote]goldengloves wrote:
Boxing gyms: You’re going to “boxing” gyms, not boxing gyms. If you go to a PAL gym and tell them you’d just like to come in once a week they’d probably work something out with you and let workout for free. Regardless, they’d charge you probably a 25% of what most gyms you’re looking at are charging[if they even charge you]. If you’re 18 or under they’ll let you come in for free.

[/quote]

ya unfortunately their are no PAL’s for “tamarac” or “coral springs”… the only PAL’s i know of are both 30 miles from me in opposite directions, pembroke pines and boca raton, and both of them say you have to reside in that city… the boca raton one says you have to be under 18.

broward is trash for boxing, it’s all mma mcdojo’s now.

bleh[/quote]

check out punch fitness in deerield. I train mma and muay thai there but they also have pretty good boxing classes and i believe several pro boxers train there. They will let you try one class out for free so you should check out one of the boxing classes and see how it stacks up to att for 60% the price.