Sock It To Me

[quote]Xander89 wrote:
fuck you. seriously, you’re making me ashamed at where I’m at at 19. AND you went from tiny to huge, where I went from fatty to where I’m at. if you’re natural, which you say you are, I have two things to ask of you and two things to tell you to never take for granted:

  1. do you follow any T-Nation programs? or do you “wing it” and just go based on personal knowledge?

  2. you said you eat turkey wraps and such, going for protein and carbs, but don’t have a diet. did you ever do the math and see how much protein you’re getting? and calories and fat? because you’re toned as shit, in addition to huge.

  3. your short limbs (I’m 6’0", and I hate the distance presses and squats require)

  4. your genetics. I’m from a long line of fatties, and I HATE it. where my cousin’s dad was a star RB in HS and college, and he (my cousin) can take shitty wal-mart protein and animal pack (that’s all he takes) and he’s almost as strong as you, but not nearly as toned.[/quote]

Go read the thread

You sounds like an idiot though, so you probably wont listen anyway

ya I pulled a… ok I don’t know the term, but I didn’t read the thread before posting. “idiot” move on my part, for sure, which is why I won’t start a fight for my integrity, I lost it when I skipped to page 27 and posted. after reading most of the last 10 pages, I’m not too sure I want anything to do with the arguments that go on in this thread. peace.

ur not natural u take steroids, i can tell because of the acme on your back

[quote]pervysage73 wrote:
ur not natural u take steroids, i can tell because of the acme on your back[/quote]

LOL
You have been given permission to delete you account and never post again.

So many RMPs that actually look good turn into debates on steroid use.

Small guys justifying why they don’t look as good?

[quote]pervysage73 wrote:
ur not natural u take steroids, i can tell because of the acme on your back[/quote]

This post is hilarious.

[quote]Vegg wrote:
pervysage73 wrote:
ur not natural u take steroids, i can tell because of the acme on your back

This post is hilarious.[/quote]

As is his avatar.

[quote]pervysage73 wrote:
ur not natural u take steroids, i can tell because of the acme on your back[/quote]

did anyone else notice he said “acme” ? isn’t that where wile e coyote gets his gear?

so after reading somewhere between 8 and 12 pages of this thread, it still isn’t clear; was it ever found out if he took more than the 2-3 bottles of ph? or by asking, am I starting an unholy fuckfest?

natural or not, while his looks are impressive, I’d only follow his work ethic to a point. not because I don’t trust him (I don’t know him well enough to trust him) but because I’m aiming to be slightly smaller than he is in the first pics posted, and not nearly as focused on that low of body fat.

(I personally believe that somewhere around 8% is fine for the more-than-average joe who doesn’t want to be a bb)

So instead of working just as hard to reach whatever your goals are more quickly, you’re going to not work hard because you aren’t aspiring to anything?

Woah, the kid’s right. This guy IS on steroids.

[quote]Tumbles wrote:
So instead of working just as hard to reach whatever your goals are more quickly, you’re going to not work hard because you aren’t aspiring to anything?[/quote]

haven’t seen someone twist words like that since FOX tried to make Obama look unpatriotic for not wearing the flag pin.

I’m saying I’m going to try and progress like he did, just not as far along as he did. say at X months after he started, he looked like how I want to be when I’m done. well then I’d work my ass off until I look like he did at X months, then maintain that physique, not try to further it.

please don’t twist my words and try to make me seem lazy. I’m incompetent from time to time, but I’m not lazy.

[quote]Xander89 wrote:

I’m saying I’m going to try and progress like he did, just not as far along as he did. say at X months after he started, he looked like how I want to be when I’m done. well then I’d work my ass off until I look like he did at X months, then maintain that physique, not try to further it.
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Why wouldn’t you want to get to your max potential as soon as possible? Why wouldn’t you want to progress like the OP did. He did a great job and should be admired for it. You just sound like you are putting limitations on yourself before you start just in case you fail.

If you want to look like the OP when ‘you are done’ (whatever that means) and you can do it in 3 weeks (hypothetically) why wouldn’t you, instead of pacing yourself and minimizing your progress. You make it sound like you will gain too much muscle, too soon.

If you want to look like the OP and plan to maintain such a physique why in world would you want to take a long time to get there when it may be possible to do it sooner??

[quote]Xander89 wrote:
so after reading somewhere between 8 and 12 pages of this thread, it still isn’t clear; was it ever found out if he took more than the 2-3 bottles of ph? or by asking, am I starting an unholy fuckfest?

natural or not, while his looks are impressive, I’d only follow his work ethic to a point. not because I don’t trust him (I don’t know him well enough to trust him) but because I’m aiming to be slightly smaller than he is in the first pics posted, and not nearly as focused on that low of body fat.

(I personally believe that somewhere around 8% is fine for the more-than-average joe who doesn’t want to be a bb)[/quote]

This post is more retarded than the “acme on your back post” (not yours obviously).

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Xander89 wrote:
Tumbles wrote:
So instead of working just as hard to reach whatever your goals are more quickly, you’re going to not work hard because you aren’t aspiring to anything?

haven’t seen someone twist words like that since FOX tried to make Obama look unpatriotic for not wearing the flag pin.

I’m saying I’m going to try and progress like he did, just not as far along as he did. say at X months after he started, he looked like how I want to be when I’m done. well then I’d work my ass off until I look like he did at X months, then maintain that physique, not try to further it.

please don’t twist my words and try to make me seem lazy. I’m incompetent from time to time, but I’m not lazy.

Why wouldn’t you want to get to your max potential as soon as possible? Why wouldn’t you want to progress like the OP did. He did a great job and should be admired for it.

You just sound like you are putting limitations on yourself before you start just in case you fail. If you want to look like the OP when ‘you are done’ (whatever that means) and you can do it in 3 weeks (hypothetically) why wouldn’t you, instead of pacing yourself and minimizing your progress. You make it sound like you will gain too much muscle, too soon. [/quote]

I never said I’d pace myself. I also never said that I want to get there in X amount of years. I did say, however, that I’m working my ass off to get to my goal.

I’m not taking it slow, I’m not trying to be barely better than anyone else, I just don’t want to be as big as a bb. trust me, my goal is not to be any of the small guys you normally (or abnormally, rather) see in the weight room. I’m not trying to look like brad pitt in fight club. that’s too small for me.

I’m just not looking to be as big as arnold. right now, I’m too small for my goal, so I’m not done. and the sooner I can reach my goal, the better, without resorting to illegal substances.

where did you get the idea that I’m pacing myself? I’m not saying I didn’t say anything like the sort, I must have if you’re accusing me of pacing myself in my goals. tell me so I can avoid saying it in the future, because that’s nowhere near my mindset.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Xander89 wrote:
so after reading somewhere between 8 and 12 pages of this thread, it still isn’t clear; was it ever found out if he took more than the 2-3 bottles of ph? or by asking, am I starting an unholy fuckfest?

natural or not, while his looks are impressive, I’d only follow his work ethic to a point. not because I don’t trust him (I don’t know him well enough to trust him) but because I’m aiming to be slightly smaller than he is in the first pics posted, and not nearly as focused on that low of body fat.

(I personally believe that somewhere around 8% is fine for the more-than-average joe who doesn’t want to be a bb)

This post is more retarded than the “acme on your back post” (not yours obviously).[/quote]

indeed it was. one of those things you say but as soon as you say it, you want to take it back.

[quote]Xander89 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Xander89 wrote:
I’m saying I’m going to try and progress like he did, just not as far along as he did. say at X months after he started, he looked like how I want to be when I’m done. well then I’d work my ass off until I look like he did at X months, then maintain that physique, not try to further it.

I never said I’d pace myself. I also never said that I want to get there in X amount of years. I did say, however, that I’m working my ass off to get to my goal.

I’m not taking it slow, I’m not trying to be barely better than anyone else, I just don’t want to be as big as a bb. trust me, my goal is not to be any of the small guys you normally (or abnormally, rather) see in the weight room. I’m not trying to look like brad pitt in fight club. that’s too small for me.

I’m just not looking to be as big as arnold. right now, I’m too small for my goal, so I’m not done. and the sooner I can reach my goal, the better, without resorting to illegal substances.

where did you get the idea that I’m pacing myself? I’m not saying I didn’t say anything like the sort, I must have if you’re accusing me of pacing myself in my goals. tell me so I can avoid saying it in the future, because that’s nowhere near my mindset.
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To me that sounds like you want to get to the point of the OP but not as fast as the OP did.

If that’s not what you mean than you are contradicting yourself by saying that you don’t want to be as big as the OP and that you do want to be as big and lean as him in consecutive thoughts.

ok let’s see if I can word this correctly…

I want to be bigger than I am right now, as quickly as possible, and I have a specific size in mind, which I’m trying to get to as fast as possible, without using any illegal substances.

I want low bodyfat, but not as low as his in competition. I’m trying for as close to 7-8% bodyfat as possible, and I won’t stop trying until I get there.

I don’t know how fast the OP got to where he is, I just know that between 2 years ago and now, he got huge, so I can’t say that I want to mimic his time frame. I want to make big gains “like he did” meaning he got much stronger, and I want to get much stronger, too. this one kind of got over-analyzed (and under-explained) a bit.

and I figured out how you misunderstood the “he looked like how I want…” part. ok, I was saying “X months” as in he didn’t stop at “X months”. he’s not at “X months” anymore. he’s past “X months”.

but I want to stop at HIS “X months”. if what he looked like at HIS “X months” is what I want to look like when I’m done, then I’m going to work my ass off to look like he did at HIS “X months” and then maintain. hope that clears things up?

I’m not trying to look like his end product. kudos to him for looking like he does, but that’s simply past my goal. I’m going into engineering, so being as big and as lean as a BB isn’t anywhere near required.

[quote]Xander89 wrote:
ok let’s see if I can word this correctly…

I want to be bigger than I am right now, as quickly as possible, and I have a specific size in mind, which I’m trying to get to as fast as possible, without using any illegal substances.

I want low bodyfat, but not as low as his in competition. I’m trying for as close to 7-8% bodyfat as possible, and I won’t stop trying until I get there.

I don’t know how fast the OP got to where he is, I just know that between 2 years ago and now, he got huge, so I can’t say that I want to mimic his time frame. I want to make big gains “like he did” meaning he got much stronger, and I want to get much stronger, too. this one kind of got over-analyzed (and under-explained) a bit.

and I figured out how you misunderstood the “he looked like how I want…” part. ok, I was saying “X months” as in he didn’t stop at “X months”. he’s not at “X months” anymore. he’s past “X months”.

But I want to stop at HIS “X months”. if what he looked like at HIS “X months” is what I want to look like when I’m done, then I’m going to work my ass off to look like he did at HIS “X months” and then maintain. hope that clears things up?

I’m not trying to look like his end product. kudos to him for looking like he does, but that’s simply past my goal. I’m going into engineering, so being as big and as lean as a BB isn’t anywhere near required.[/quote]

Good luck

btw the only thing that requires being as big and lean as a pro BB is, well, a pro BB. Lol I’m just messing with you now but I doubt many of us do this because of requirements. I plan on passing the BAR in a few years but I’m still going to try to get as big as I can, with sensible drug use of course.