don’t get me wrong, I’d use if I knew what the fuck I was doing, and if I had a seller (NOT HINTING FOR ONE lol). as great as T-Nation is at explaining steroids and such in their articles, I’m simply not willing to risk my life on the possibility that I read the article correctly. lol
maybe someday, after I’m in my mid-20’s, if I’m somehow not at my goal yet, or if I decide “what the hell, why not try at BB?” 
/thread_hijack
[quote]Xander89 wrote:
Tumbles wrote:
So instead of working just as hard to reach whatever your goals are more quickly, you’re going to not work hard because you aren’t aspiring to anything?
haven’t seen someone twist words like that since FOX tried to make Obama look unpatriotic for not wearing the flag pin.
I’m saying I’m going to try and progress like he did, just not as far along as he did. say at X months after he started, he looked like how I want to be when I’m done. well then I’d work my ass off until I look like he did at X months, then maintain that physique, not try to further it.
please don’t twist my words and try to make me seem lazy. I’m incompetent from time to time, but I’m not lazy.[/quote]
I was totally being a dick, but it’s not like you were entirely clear to what you meant to say either.
Dude, no one cares how hard you work/worked. The end result is all that can be seen, sad but true.
[quote]Xander89 wrote:
please don’t twist my words and try to make me seem lazy. I’m incompetent from time to time, but I’m not lazy.[/quote]
This thread is already long as shit…
I have 1 question for OP.
-Where did you get your information to start lifting when you were 17?
I am not taking anything from what you have done but to be that skinny 2 years ago and now like this, you must have got solid info from the start.
Basically, why did you decided to start lifting and where did you getyour information as a beginner?
Good work.
The OP hasn’t responded in months. People are dense.
Its funny how 95% of you guys on here are fat or skinny or skinny fat and accuse this kid of this and that. Get off the computer and get a real workout, most of you guys are a bunch of delusional losers who will never reach anywhere near this kid even if you had a roid factory in your basement. Yeah I said it.
That’s not the point, The kid clearly uses anabolics if you know anything about them and him lying about it is where people take offense.
[quote]jb99 wrote:
That’s not the point, The kid clearly uses anabolics if you know anything about them and him lying about it is where people take offense.[/quote]
I didnt see him lying about it anywhere. He openly said he took prohormones. “Natural” and “legal” are two completely different things.
Yeah I agree with you JB, kid is definitely on shit for sure. Its kind of pointless arguing about it though.
really guys…? really?
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
jb99 wrote:
That’s not the point, The kid clearly uses anabolics if you know anything about them and him lying about it is where people take offense.
I didnt see him lying about it anywhere. He openly said he took prohormones. “Natural” and “legal” are two completely different things.[/quote]
That is not all he takes/took so please understand what I am saying here. First he said he was “ALL NATURAL” then he said he used pro hormones but that is not all he used therefore he was deceiving others, get it?
[quote]jb99 wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
jb99 wrote:
That’s not the point, The kid clearly uses anabolics if you know anything about them and him lying about it is where people take offense.
I didnt see him lying about it anywhere. He openly said he took prohormones. “Natural” and “legal” are two completely different things.
That is not all he takes/took so please understand what I am saying here. First he said he was “ALL NATURAL” then he said he used pro hormones but that is not all he used therefore he was deceiving others, get it?[/quote]
Since you know so much about the guy, tell us about what exactly he took, how much he took, when he took it, and for how long.
This thread is too long for me to dig, so where is this quote where he claims to be “all natural”? I looked through the first 2 pages and all he said that he had used PHs and “wasn’t technically natural”.
I don’t understand why this is such a controversy. The guys that get posted up as powerful images are on. The Pros that all the guys on here jack off to are on. There are a ton of knowledgeable guys giving advice in the steroids forum that are on.
At 19, or whatever, this kid has a physique that 99% of members on here could only dream of and everyone flips out because they think he HAS to be taking shit…And he tells everyone flat out on the first page that he does.
Where is the argument? He said he’s taken PHs which are essentially steroids that aren’t illegal yet. Did I miss something? Is he competing in a sport that requires its participants to be natural or something? Where the fuck is he lying?
The only possible thing that I could see people getting upset about is someone messing with pro hormones at too young of an age, but that isn’t even the argument that I’m seeing.
This whole thread reeks of jealousy and ignorance.
Just read this whole thread!
Fuck me what a waste of time… lol
[quote]G.I. Joe Galway wrote:
Just read this whole thread!
Fuck me what a waste of time… lol[/quote]
Hahahaha… X 2!! lol
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
jb99 wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
jb99 wrote:
That’s not the point, The kid clearly uses anabolics if you know anything about them and him lying about it is where people take offense.
I didnt see him lying about it anywhere. He openly said he took prohormones. “Natural” and “legal” are two completely different things.
That is not all he takes/took so please understand what I am saying here. First he said he was “ALL NATURAL” then he said he used pro hormones but that is not all he used therefore he was deceiving others, get it?
Since you know so much about the guy, tell us about what exactly he took, how much he took, when he took it, and for how long.
This thread is too long for me to dig, so where is this quote where he claims to be “all natural”? I looked through the first 2 pages and all he said that he had used PHs and “wasn’t technically natural”.
I don’t understand why this is such a controversy. The guys that get posted up as powerful images are on. The Pros that all the guys on here jack off to are on. There are a ton of knowledgeable guys giving advice in the steroids forum that are on.
At 19, or whatever, this kid has a physique that 99% of members on here could only dream of and everyone flips out because they think he HAS to be taking shit…And he tells everyone flat out on the first page that he does.
Where is the argument? He said he’s taken PHs which are essentially steroids that aren’t illegal yet. Did I miss something? Is he competing in a sport that requires its participants to be natural or something? Where the fuck is he lying?
The only possible thing that I could see people getting upset about is someone messing with pro hormones at too young of an age, but that isn’t even the argument that I’m seeing.
This whole thread reeks of jealousy and ignorance.[/quote]
Here is from the first page,
“Thanks man!
And the only “un-natural” thing I took was a month cycle of legal ph’s. It was just to get me out of a slump I had due to the inability to eat correctly during my first few months of college… I had lost about 7 lbs.
Other than that I haven’t done anything other than standard nutritional supps.”
ONE MONTH OF LEGAL PH’S? listen chick you obviously know nothing about lifting or bodybuilding so either put up some pics and prove that you even have a physique or I don’t want to hear it anymore.
I am so sick of the people on this site that talk shit but have no pictures (what a coincidence) or look terrible. The kid hasn’t just done one cycle of LEGAL ph’s, sorry it’s not my fault you have no idea what you are talking about. Go train, marry a bodybuilder or something and get a clue.
You people take this whole ‘liftin’ heavy shit’ WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to seriously… lol
[quote]jb99 wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
jb99 wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
jb99 wrote:
That’s not the point, The kid clearly uses anabolics if you know anything about them and him lying about it is where people take offense.
I didnt see him lying about it anywhere. He openly said he took prohormones. “Natural” and “legal” are two completely different things.
That is not all he takes/took so please understand what I am saying here. First he said he was “ALL NATURAL” then he said he used pro hormones but that is not all he used therefore he was deceiving others, get it?
Since you know so much about the guy, tell us about what exactly he took, how much he took, when he took it, and for how long.
This thread is too long for me to dig, so where is this quote where he claims to be “all natural”? I looked through the first 2 pages and all he said that he had used PHs and “wasn’t technically natural”.
I don’t understand why this is such a controversy. The guys that get posted up as powerful images are on. The Pros that all the guys on here jack off to are on. There are a ton of knowledgeable guys giving advice in the steroids forum that are on.
At 19, or whatever, this kid has a physique that 99% of members on here could only dream of and everyone flips out because they think he HAS to be taking shit…And he tells everyone flat out on the first page that he does.
Where is the argument? He said he’s taken PHs which are essentially steroids that aren’t illegal yet. Did I miss something? Is he competing in a sport that requires its participants to be natural or something? Where the fuck is he lying?
The only possible thing that I could see people getting upset about is someone messing with pro hormones at too young of an age, but that isn’t even the argument that I’m seeing.
This whole thread reeks of jealousy and ignorance.
Here is from the first page,
“Thanks man!
And the only “un-natural” thing I took was a month cycle of legal ph’s. It was just to get me out of a slump I had due to the inability to eat correctly during my first few months of college… I had lost about 7 lbs.
Other than that I haven’t done anything other than standard nutritional supps.”
ONE MONTH OF LEGAL PH’S? listen chick you obviously know nothing about lifting or bodybuilding so either put up some pics and prove that you even have a physique or I don’t want to hear it anymore.
I am so sick of the people on this site that talk shit but have no pictures (what a coincidence) or look terrible. The kid hasn’t just done one cycle of LEGAL ph’s, sorry it’s not my fault you have no idea what you are talking about. Go train, marry a bodybuilder or something and get a clue.
[/quote]
You’re right. I obviously know nothing about lifting. I mean, making it onto the Top 20 this year for my weight class was an accident.
And, I really haven’t learned anything in the year that I’ve trained at one of the strongest gyms in the country. Its not like I’m able to get advice from world class lifters who have been training for decades. And its not like anyone at my gym is on.
All I’m saying is that he said flat out on the first page that he had taken stuff. Who the fuck cares what he took and what he didn’t. He took something thats more anabolic/androgenic than creatine, and that’s enough for all of you fatass anti-steroid whack jobs on the site to put him down and feel better about your own shitty physiques. Isn’t that all anyone wanted in the first place? To know the kid isn’t natural so they don’t look so bad?
[quote]
You’re right. I obviously know nothing about lifting. I mean, making it onto the Top 20 this year for my weight class was an accident.
And, I really haven’t learned anything in the year that I’ve trained at one of the strongest gyms in the country. Its not like I’m able to get advice from world class lifters who have been training for decades. And its not like anyone at my gym is on.
All I’m saying is that he said flat out on the first page that he had taken stuff. Who the fuck cares what he took and what he didn’t. He took something thats more anabolic/androgenic than creatine, and that’s enough for all of you fatass anti-steroid whack jobs on the site to put him down and feel better about your own shitty physiques. Isn’t that all anyone wanted in the first place? To know the kid isn’t natural so they don’t look so bad?[/quote]
QFT
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
jb99 wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
jb99 wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
jb99 wrote:
That’s not the point, The kid clearly uses anabolics if you know anything about them and him lying about it is where people take offense.
I didnt see him lying about it anywhere. He openly said he took prohormones. “Natural” and “legal” are two completely different things.
That is not all he takes/took so please understand what I am saying here. First he said he was “ALL NATURAL” then he said he used pro hormones but that is not all he used therefore he was deceiving others, get it?
Since you know so much about the guy, tell us about what exactly he took, how much he took, when he took it, and for how long.
This thread is too long for me to dig, so where is this quote where he claims to be “all natural”? I looked through the first 2 pages and all he said that he had used PHs and “wasn’t technically natural”.
I don’t understand why this is such a controversy. The guys that get posted up as powerful images are on. The Pros that all the guys on here jack off to are on. There are a ton of knowledgeable guys giving advice in the steroids forum that are on.
At 19, or whatever, this kid has a physique that 99% of members on here could only dream of and everyone flips out because they think he HAS to be taking shit…And he tells everyone flat out on the first page that he does.
Where is the argument? He said he’s taken PHs which are essentially steroids that aren’t illegal yet. Did I miss something? Is he competing in a sport that requires its participants to be natural or something? Where the fuck is he lying?
The only possible thing that I could see people getting upset about is someone messing with pro hormones at too young of an age, but that isn’t even the argument that I’m seeing.
This whole thread reeks of jealousy and ignorance.
Here is from the first page,
“Thanks man!
And the only “un-natural” thing I took was a month cycle of legal ph’s. It was just to get me out of a slump I had due to the inability to eat correctly during my first few months of college… I had lost about 7 lbs.
Other than that I haven’t done anything other than standard nutritional supps.”
ONE MONTH OF LEGAL PH’S? listen chick you obviously know nothing about lifting or bodybuilding so either put up some pics and prove that you even have a physique or I don’t want to hear it anymore.
I am so sick of the people on this site that talk shit but have no pictures (what a coincidence) or look terrible. The kid hasn’t just done one cycle of LEGAL ph’s, sorry it’s not my fault you have no idea what you are talking about. Go train, marry a bodybuilder or something and get a clue.
You’re right. I obviously know nothing about lifting. I mean, making it onto the Top 20 this year for my weight class was an accident.
And, I really haven’t learned anything in the year that I’ve trained at one of the strongest gyms in the country. Its not like I’m able to get advice from world class lifters who have been training for decades. And its not like anyone at my gym is on.
All I’m saying is that he said flat out on the first page that he had taken stuff. Who the fuck cares what he took and what he didn’t. He took something thats more anabolic/androgenic than creatine, and that’s enough for all of you fatass anti-steroid whack jobs on the site to put him down and feel better about your own shitty physiques. Isn’t that all anyone wanted in the first place? To know the kid isn’t natural so they don’t look so bad?[/quote]
Listen I could care less where you lift or who you lift with, I don’t care what he took I just don’t like when he says he has only used ONE month of LEGAL PH’S because that is not true, and now everyone on this board is sitting here wondering wow this kid gained 80lbs of lean dry muscle with legal ph’s, i can to!
I honestly don’t mind what he took or how much the kid still looks amazing, but i feel just fine about my physique seeing as though I am taller and about 90lbs heavier than the kid…
You think he gained all of that in one month of PH usage or that he ever implied that he did?
IIRC, he said he had been training for several years and the only “non-natural” supplements he had used were prohormones.