Your ridiculous, thats really impressive!
Whether the OP juiced or not (very possible without, only 50-60lbs in over two years. If you go from, horrible diet and no lifting to great protein/carb intake and heavy lifting + good genetics) he still had to bust his ass to get to where he’s at.
Great job bro, got to page 10 and it was all I could take of haters, nonbelievers, and the naturalists!!
No matter what you put the time and effort into the gym, what you got going now works for you even if you are eating dorm food? its still working.
I was in the same boat in college, but I ate my ass off of whatever I could make the healthiest then studied, lifted, and slept when I could.
Anyway good job bro T-Nation needs more people like you, looking hard as steel. So don’t stop now keep goin’ at it.
Yah dude pretty fuckin beast. I also gained 60 lbs in my first 2 years of lifting but I also grew like 3 inches and it wasnt all straight lean mass. Pretty sick you were able to put 60 lbs of lean mass on in that time. And good job staying that lean in college lol, im a college freshman this year too and damn its been tough to stay in shape. I just decided to make the school year my bulk cycle since there is a plethora of food haha.
And I think the only reason people are making a big deal about steroids is b/c people hate when others lie about using. Wouldn’t be a big deal if you had come out and said you had used AAS but you say you haven’t so people think you’re lying and are pissed. Personally, I don’t believe you but I give you all the credit in the world for what your achieved in your short lifting career 
gave you a 9.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
sszgo wrote:
man i am happy if i gain 4-5 lbs muscle per year. you got 30, wtf i do not know anyone anywhere that did that without heavy chemistry.
You must not hang around people from the ages of 18-24 who trains heavy and eats right then.
4-5 lbs a YEAR? And youre happy with that? Thats pathetic. Tell me what it is that youre doing so I can be sure to stay away from it. Either you have the genetics of Woody Allen or you are one of those “reduced calorie for longevity” people.[/quote]
5 lbs of lean muscle in a year for an experienced Bodybuilder is a good healthy gain.
What most people don’t realise is that there is a huge difference between lean dehydrated muscle mass, and bodyweight gains that also contain extra water retention, and fat retention.
Additionally what most people don’t realise is just how much size 5 extra lbs of muscle can give you.
Go a year, then diet down for a contest and see how much you really gained. Yes beginners in their first years of lifting can gain a lot as they are starting from scratch, and keep in mind some of this gain is the natural ‘filling out’ process that everyone does when they reach the bridge from teenager to young adult, but as time goes on, the gains do slow irregardless of whether you use aas or not.
Umm Prisoner…I would think some one with your build would be smarter, but oh well. Teenagers are practically a walking steroid. It is the point in your life when you grow from a child to a man. Teenager plus knowing what the hell you are doing equals a shit load of gains and easy muscle. I think the kid has a kick ass build. I am not an expert or can tell if some uses steroids or not by looking at them.
One thing I would say is he does a CRAZY amount of volume. I understand how peoples bodies adapt to training, but that is just alot! But that kind of workout/training could lead to a lean body with a shit ton of muscle.
Does he do steroids i don’t know or care really because i don’t know him or will ever meet him… it had nothing to do with the topic anyways^^
Jhuczko sorry man but you’re wrong here. First of all a teen’s natural test levels are about 8X lower than that of injectable test.
Second of all what makes you think he knew what he was doing? He was a 110 lb skateboarder!! and he turns into a ripped 170? sry no doesnt happen
When we all first started out the first couple months we spent in the gym we had no idea what we were doing, so all in all he actually had less than 2 years to achieve his results.
And finally, Im guessing someone is going to throw the genetics argument at me. If you have the genetics possible for this kind of transformation YOU WOULD NOT BE 110 lbs in the first place. Im sure at some point in 17 years prior to lifting weights he had done pushups and pull ups, we all had to in PE. If he had incredible genetics like everyone thinks, he would have grown.
So I gotta go with prisoner on this one, hes right
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
If you have the genetics possible for this kind of transformation YOU WOULD NOT BE 110 lbs in the first place. Im sure at some point in 17 years prior to lifting weights he had done pushups and pull ups, we all had to in PE. If he had incredible genetics like everyone thinks, he would have grown.
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So it is your opinion that people can explode from doing a couple sets of push-ups and pull-ups 3x a week in PE? Are you fucking retarded?
The fact of the matter is that, most of the time, you CAN’T realistically judge someone’s potential for putting on muscle based upon how they look BEFORE THEY TOUCH WEIGHTS. There are just too many other factors to consider. It takes a few years (past the newbie gains and the initial “filling out” - mentioned earlier) before you can realistically gauge just how gifted someone is for building mass.
Ever heard of Lou Ferrigno? Ever seen a picture of him before he stared lifting? He looked pretty twiggy to me based on what I saw from Pumping Iron.
[quote]anonym wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
If you have the genetics possible for this kind of transformation YOU WOULD NOT BE 110 lbs in the first place. Im sure at some point in 17 years prior to lifting weights he had done pushups and pull ups, we all had to in PE. If he had incredible genetics like everyone thinks, he would have grown.
So it is your opinion that people can explode from doing a couple sets of push-ups and pull-ups 3x a week in PE? Are you fucking retarded?
The fact of the matter is that, most of the time, you CAN’T realistically judge someone’s potential for putting on muscle based upon how they look BEFORE THEY TOUCH WEIGHTS. There are just too many other factors to consider. It takes a few years (past the newbie gains and the initial “filling out” - mentioned earlier) before you can realistically gauge just how gifted someone is for building mass.
Ever heard of Lou Ferrigno? Ever seen a picture of him before he stared lifting? He looked pretty twiggy to me based on what I saw from Pumping Iron.[/quote]
You my friend, have absolutely no clue. First of all, you don’t need to lift s shitload of weights before someone can realistically judge your potential. For example, any mesomorph will have a muscular and thicker appearance naturally, and this is before they even touch a weight. People won’t explode from pushups and pull ups three times a week, but it can definetly help add muscle.
The fact is, he is correct when he says if you have good potential you wouldn’t be 110 lbs. The fact of the matter is, if he were 110 LBS, he surely should be super athletic to put on that kind of build in two years. But no, he was just some skinny skater who magically got huge with 3 hour super volume training sessions. He isn’t a physiological anomaly like many of you want him to be, just a mega juiced teen with some probable future health concerns. Use your brain.
anonym, you just got owned. You are the one who is fucking retarded. I was fixing to tell you the exact same thing muscleteen just did but he handled it nicely, so Il leave it be. This line of thinking only requires common sense, so I’m sure you can grasp it.
[quote]muscleteen89 wrote:
For example, any mesomorph will have a muscular and thicker appearance naturally, and this is before they even touch a weight. [/quote]
Somatypes are pretty much pseudoscience. I’m not saying you’re wrong about this guy, just want to mention that the somatypes are a very general black-and-white way of looking at someones genetic makeup.
It could be the case that before this guy got big he was only stimulating type I muscle fibers in his PE classes, however unlikely.
[quote]muscleteen89 wrote:
You my friend, have absolutely no clue. First of all, you don’t need to lift s shitload of weights before someone can realistically judge your potential. For example, any mesomorph will have a muscular and thicker appearance naturally, and this is before they even touch a weight. People won’t explode from pushups and pull ups three times a week, but it can definetly help add muscle. [/quote]
Although you do not NEED to lift a shitload of weight before one can judge your predisposition towards building muscle, it certainly helps. Before he touched a set of weights, Lou Ferrigno (maybe you’ve heard of him) was, according to his father, too skinny to make the football team (he was something like 165 lbs). Dorian Yates also started off pretty fucking skinny. There are plenty of examples of people going from skinny to brawny, not just on the professional stage but in everyday life, too.
Besides, anyone who still relies on the decades and decades old concept of somatotypes really just needs to open a book once in a while. You know, the big ones. With smaller font and fewer pictures.
But, hey - I hear the BMI is a great tool for us bodybuilders, as well. Care to share your thoughts on that?
And don’t even get me started on gym class - if you consider a couple sets of push-ups every other day to be enough to build muscle, you really need to hop off the couch and get outside a little more often.
[quote]muscleteen89 wrote:
The fact is, he is correct when he says if you have good potential you wouldn’t be 110 lbs. The fact of the matter is, if he were 110 LBS, he surely should be super athletic to put on that kind of build in two years. But no, he was just some skinny skater who magically got huge with 3 hour super volume training sessions. [/quote]
No, the fact is, is that regardless of your potential, if you DO NOT eat enough and are inactive a 110lb physique is not at all that unbelievable. You do not know what this kid’s life was like prior to lifting weights - what he ate, the sports (if any) he played, and how generally active he was.
You DO NOT KNOW how athletic he was prior to touching the iron - and for some reason you are intent on leaving out the part that a 110lb kid in his late teens is a skinny fuck in his late teens. It is not unreasonable to assume that a lot of the weight he put on was a result of not just lifting weights, but puberty and a general “filling out” caused simply by eating more.
The fact that you would use “magic” as a word to describe his success gives me a pretty good indication of just how much progress you have seen during your time under the iron, because it goes without saying that hard work, consistency, and dedication don’t matter nearly as much as a sprinkle of fairy dust and a syringe in the pooper.
I’m not saying he did juice, and I am not saying he didn’t - he admitted to some PH usage, and that’s where I will leave it. It’s not my place to say anything else with any authority. What I will say, however, is that you and your friend need to do a little bit more reading before offering your opinion on certain matters.
And watch Pumping Iron for Christ’s sake.
Look, I can understand going from skinny to muscular. But using Ferrigno as an example is absurd. The dude has thick wrists, and he was 165lbs when he was 13-ish [I read his book, which by the way is full of contradictions]. This kid has put in a shit ton of work any way you look at it, it’s just pretty obvious he didn’t do it naturally.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
And watch Pumping Iron for Christ’s sake.
Look, I can understand going from skinny to muscular. But using Ferrigno as an example is absurd. The dude has thick wrists, and he was 165lbs when he was 13-ish [I read his book, which by the way is full of contradictions]. This kid has put in a shit ton of work any way you look at it, it’s just pretty obvious he didn’t do it naturally.[/quote]
All I’m going by with Lou is what his dad mentioned in the movie and the picture they showed.
The point is, however, that you really can’t guarantee whether or not someone will wind up with a great physique based upon what they looked like before they started lifting. It’s absurd. There are too many other factors to consider.
And, yes, the kid did put in a shit ton of work, and it’s obvious he didn’t do it naturally because…he said so.
dude…i saw your pics…just stumbled on here…fucking A man. you say your natural, ill believe it. Yeah its hard, but who am i to diss? shit i dont look strong but i can pull a fuckload powerlifting wise and people call bull. so good work and get bigger and PISS MORE PEOPLE OFF!! AHHA!
I like how you are using pro-bodybuilders as examples lmao. You are comparing this guys gains to Ferrigno and Yates, who were AAS users. If anything this hurts your case lol
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
I like how you are using pro-bodybuilders as examples lmao. You are comparing this guys gains to Ferrigno and Yates, who were AAS users. If anything this hurts your case lol[/quote]
Christ…if you are going to attribute the success of Ferrigno and Yates solely to AAS usage, then you truly are hopeless.
If you can’t see what I am getting at in showing examples of extremely skinny teens breaking into the top echelon of bodybuilding, you are a lost cause (guess mentioning Flex wouldn’t help ya out, either).
Genetics are not just about how you start off (big or small), but also how well your body responds to weight lifting. And, guess what? There really is only one way to tell how well your body is going to respond to that kind of stimulus (hint: it ISN’T doing a couple of push-ups during gym class).
Remember: big books, small font, no pictures.
Come back after you’ve gone through a few of those.
I see what anomyn is saying, but he’s using extremely poor examples. The pic of Yates that everyone likes to reference [sitting with some friends drinking a beer] still shows he has thick wrists and a reasonablly thick structure. The pic this kid posted of himself at 17 show’s how tiny he was. It’s hard to imagine someone going from that to the more recent pics he posted in 2 years with no fat gain while being natural [not buying the ph thing]. This kid could very well be a genetic anamoly, but odd’s are he’s not.
Anoynm would you like me to let you borrow Arnold Schwarzeneggars Encyclopedia of Modern Body Building? I’ve already read the whole thing so I don’t need it anymore.
As you can see, no one agrees with you. You keep saying a “couple” push ups like this guy has done 4 pushups his whole life. He made himself out to be an active 110 lb kid at age 17 during peak testosterone levels. Yet in the before picture he is one of the scrawniest kids I’ve ever seen, and in the after he ripped out of his mind, with striations and seperations in his muscle bodies that is found in pro bodybuilders. Wake up and stop kidding yourself
So instead of reading all these books you talk about, how bout go getting some real life experience ok?
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I see what anomyn is saying, but he’s using extremely poor examples. The pic of Yates that everyone likes to reference [sitting with some friends drinking a beer] still shows he has thick wrists and a reasonablly thick structure. The pic this kid posted of himself at 17 show’s how tiny he was. It’s hard to imagine someone going from that to the more recent pics he posted in 2 years with no fat gain while being natural [not buying the ph thing]. This kid could very well be a genetic anamoly, but odd’s are he’s not.[/quote]
Well whiteflash, you look like your growing a nice pair of tits, does that mean your juicing?