[quote]Well whiteflash, you look like your growing a nice pair of tits, does that mean your juicing?
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I’m actually 10lbs or so bigger than when this pic was taken, but that pic is over a year old. 10 VS. 30ish. Think about it jerkoff.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Anoynm would you like me to let you borrow Arnold Schwarzeneggars Encyclopedia of Modern Body Building? I’ve already read the whole thing so I don’t need it anymore.[/quote]
Own it, but thanks.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
As you can see, no one agrees with you. You keep saying a “couple” push ups like this guy has done 4 pushups his whole life. He made himself out to be an active 110 lb kid at age 17 during peak testosterone levels. Yet in the before picture he is one of the scrawniest kids I’ve ever seen, and in the after he ripped out of his mind, with striations and seperations in his muscle bodies that is found in pro bodybuilders. Wake up and stop kidding yourself[/quote]
If by “no one” you mean yourself, a troll, and some guy who’s so obsessed with wrist measurements that he doesn’t grasp the fact that skinny people CAN get big, then yes. It really isn’t my fault that anyone worth listening to doesn’t come to this forum.
If by “active” you mean he never played sports in HS but instead skateboarded 3 hours a day (oh, how anabolic - that explains them swole XC runners!) for most of his teen years, then yes.
I don’t understand what it is you think I am kidding myself about. He admitted to PH usage in the past, and I am taking him at his word in that regard - to do anything but that turns me into a jealous whiner like…well, you know.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
So instead of reading all these books you talk about, how bout go getting some real life experience ok?[/quote]
Instead of the one-liners, how about sticking to the debate? Your contention is that he doesn’t have the genetics for this kind of transformation (despite his admitted PH usage) because, at some point during his life, he would have done enough push-ups in gym class to offset the hours and hours of skateboarding AND the obviously drastic under-eating he did throughout his teen years (as indicated by him being grossly underweight).
My assertion is that for most people, gauging their talent for building muscle is NOT something that can be accurately ascertained until they actually start lifting weights seriously.
Some of you can’t seem to grasp that running a tape measure around a wrist ISN’T a very good way to predict how someone’s body is going to react to heavy, consistent lifting and a solid diet - especially when that someone is drastically underweight to begin with.
You can keep your tape measure and bark on and on about his scrawny wrists, but, in the end, the jealousy in your posts is stinking up this thread.
Just because you can’t get away with a cycle of steroids without fucking up your arm doesn’t mean everyone bigger than you can, and does.
Now, if you would like to start a thread in an ACTUAL forum about whether push-ups in gym class and wrist measurements are a better tool for assessing talent in building muscle than heavy, consistent weight-lifting, then be my guest - I would be more than happy to participate. As it is, hijacks can go only so long before it just gets old. There’s a time and a place, and if you would like to set it up, then we can have at it.
LOL you started the one liners pal. haha you crack me up.
I am honestly questioning if you have any real life experience in lifting weights and doing it naturally. Please put aside your biased for a second and think about this.
When you first started lifting did you knowwhat you were doing? No. Did you eat clean? No. Did you eat 6 times a day? No. Did you gain over 60 lbs of pure LBM in your first bulk attempt? No. Its so obvious, and everyone else thinks so too. Obviously you don’t want to speak of it more in this thread b/c every1 is against you, you want a way out, I understand.
Also I am by no means jealous lol, and you think this kid is bigger than me? Um no. Even if I was a lot smaller I would I bet he would feel very uncomfortable walking around with his shirt off b/c of his insane bacne. Brinign my infection into this has nothing to do with our argument lol.
And for the record, I am the 3rd biggest guy in my college gym, the 2 who are bigger than me, how do I know this? b/c I dsicuss thier cycles with them So contrary to your belief, it DOES mean that anyone bigger than me is using steroids 
Owned.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
LOL you started the one liners pal. haha you crack me up.[/quote]
Glad to hear it - I’m worried that if I don’t, you’ll threaten to hunt me down, beat me up, piss in my mouth, and stalk me around the forums like you’ve been doing in that clusterfuck of a thread you started in the Steroids forum.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
When you first started lifting did you knowwhat you were doing? No. Did you eat clean? No. Did you eat 6 times a day? No. Did you gain over 60 lbs of pure LBM in your first bulk attempt? No. Its so obvious, and everyone else thinks so too. Obviously you don’t want to speak of it more in this thread b/c every1 is against you, you want a way out, I understand.[/quote]
I guess it’s a good thing he wasn’t me then, right?
And, no, I am more than willing to continue to discuss how to gauge someone’s genetics (the debate, right?) IN THE APPROPRIATE FORUM - the Bodybuilding forum (see, now everyone can follow us!)
As for everyone hating on this kid…I wonder if you’ve even bothered to read the thread.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Also I am by no means jealous lol, and you think this kid is bigger than me? Um no. Even if I was a lot smaller I would I bet he would feel very uncomfortable walking around with his shirt off b/c of his insane bacne. Brinign my infection into this has nothing to do with our argument lol. [/quote]
If you aren’t jealous then…why bother arguing? Why not pat him on the back with a comment like, “Solid, work, man”? Why bother with the cheap shot on his bacne?
He’s one of the highest rated people to post in this forum - think you can do better? You look good based on your two profile pics, but he looks better.
I bring your infection into this as it was a result of your idiocy - something which, apparently, isn’t relegated solely to your injection techniques.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
And for the record, I am the 3rd biggest guy in my college gym, the 2 who are bigger than me, how do I know this? b/c I dsicuss thier cycles with them So contrary to your belief, it DOES mean that anyone bigger than me is using steroids
Owned.[/quote]
lol, pwned, indeed.
But seriously, bra, set up the thread. Everyone can follow along, as I’m done with this hijack.
lot of haters, dudes a beast, accept it. Move on, yes he does look better than you!
[quote]anonym wrote:
muscleteen89 wrote:
You my friend, have absolutely no clue. First of all, you don’t need to lift s shitload of weights before someone can realistically judge your potential. For example, any mesomorph will have a muscular and thicker appearance naturally, and this is before they even touch a weight. People won’t explode from pushups and pull ups three times a week, but it can definetly help add muscle.
Although you do not NEED to lift a shitload of weight before one can judge your predisposition towards building muscle, it certainly helps. Before he touched a set of weights, Lou Ferrigno (maybe you’ve heard of him) was, according to his father, too skinny to make the football team (he was something like 165 lbs). Dorian Yates also started off pretty fucking skinny. There are plenty of examples of people going from skinny to brawny, not just on the professional stage but in everyday life, too.
Besides, anyone who still relies on the decades and decades old concept of somatotypes really just needs to open a book once in a while. You know, the big ones. With smaller font and fewer pictures.
But, hey - I hear the BMI is a great tool for us bodybuilders, as well. Care to share your thoughts on that?
And don’t even get me started on gym class - if you consider a couple sets of push-ups every other day to be enough to build muscle, you really need to hop off the couch and get outside a little more often.
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The fact is, he is correct when he says if you have good potential you wouldn’t be 110 lbs. The fact of the matter is, if he were 110 LBS, he surely should be super athletic to put on that kind of build in two years. But no, he was just some skinny skater who magically got huge with 3 hour super volume training sessions.
No, the fact is, is that regardless of your potential, if you DO NOT eat enough and are inactive a 110lb physique is not at all that unbelievable. You do not know what this kid’s life was like prior to lifting weights - what he ate, the sports (if any) he played, and how generally active he was.
You DO NOT KNOW how athletic he was prior to touching the iron - and for some reason you are intent on leaving out the part that a 110lb kid in his late teens is a skinny fuck in his late teens. It is not unreasonable to assume that a lot of the weight he put on was a result of not just lifting weights, but puberty and a general “filling out” caused simply by eating more.
The fact that you would use “magic” as a word to describe his success gives me a pretty good indication of just how much progress you have seen during your time under the iron, because it goes without saying that hard work, consistency, and dedication don’t matter nearly as much as a sprinkle of fairy dust and a syringe in the pooper.
I’m not saying he did juice, and I am not saying he didn’t - he admitted to some PH usage, and that’s where I will leave it. It’s not my place to say anything else with any authority. What I will say, however, is that you and your friend need to do a little bit more reading before offering your opinion on certain matters.
And watch Pumping Iron for Christ’s sake.
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Do you hear yourself? First of all, we do know how active he was because the op himself claimed to not have played sports. He was a skateboarder. Secondly, I don’t understand why you bother using Lou Ferrnando as an example of how someone could blow up quickly. He was a professional bodybuilder who was also pretty juiced. (of course, not taking anythin away from him) I don’t see how your point is logical at all, considering your using a juiced physiological anomaly (lou) to explain how it’s possible to gain 60 lean pounds of mass (op) naturally. Not sound logic at all.
Thirdly, please don’t comment on my progress at the gym, my avatar is meant as a joke. I’m actually doing very well. Fourthly, pull ups are the absolute best excersise for your lats, and can be done virtually anywhere. You can build muscle doing pullups in gym clas. Last and finally, you don’t need to explain to me that you need to eat a bunch to put on muscle. I’m well aware, but if you read back, the op said his diet consisted of skipping desert and turkey wraps, which mind you, is comedy at its best.
It’s simple math. 65 lbs in 2 years=32.5 1 year= 3 lbs 1 month. 3 lbs of lean muscle tissue a month equates to much more lean bodyweight. That’s about as natural roswell.
[quote]joshjuk wrote:
lot of haters, dudes a beast, accept it. Move on, yes he does look better than you![/quote]
I would agree with this statement if he was natural. But there is nothing beastly about using high dosages of steroids at 19 years old. Impatience and danger are two words that come to mind. Oh hold on, he doesn’t use AAS, he uses a few cycles of ph, 3 hour 30 set workouts done 5 days a week, turkey wraps, protein bars, and no desert. People should not be congratulating a teenager who uses AAS, no matter how big he got. PERIOD
Very impressive bro. I was the same scrawny skater in high school. Same physique even, small but naturally ripped. I just started lifting heavy and eating a copious amount of protein 1 year ago and have made some solid gains, but nothing like you. Give me a few years and hopefully I’ll be as developed as you. Good work man, screw what these other jealous meatheads say. It’s all about the intensity in the gym and people like you (and me a little bit) are the ones who just hit it hard. Props once again.
anonym I think it is YOU who have not read this thread. Go back a few pages and look at my first post before this argument started. I said I didn’t believe he was natural but I also said he had done a great job, so maybe YOU should go read the thread mmmk?
And I love how getting an infection makes you an idiot. Tell me anoynm, if before I injected, I cleaned the vial and my arm with alcohol, used a fresh needle and syringe, washed my hands, withdrew on the needle to check for blood before I injected, and I still got an infection, does that make me an idiot? No, I did everything right but shit happens.
The fact that you keep bringing this stuff in this thread just tells me that you have run out of things to say. Dude anoynm I heard you broke your arm in 5th grade LOL IDIOT! thats means everything you post on this forum is dumb b/c you broke your arm, LOL IDIOT! See what I mean?
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
anonym I think it is YOU who have not read this thread. Go back a few pages and look at my first post before this argument started. I said I didn’t believe he was natural but I also said he had done a great job, so maybe YOU should go read the thread mmmk?
And I love how getting an infection makes you an idiot. Tell me anoynm, if before I injected, I cleaned the vial and my arm with alcohol, used a fresh needle and syringe, washed my hands, withdrew on the needle to check for blood before I injected, and I still got an infection, does that make me an idiot? No, I did everything right but shit happens.
The fact that you keep bringing this stuff in this thread just tells me that you have run out of things to say. Dude anoynm I heard you broke your arm in 5th grade LOL IDIOT! thats means everything you post on this forum is dumb b/c you broke your arm, LOL IDIOT! See what I mean?
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…how old are you, man? Anonym has run out of things to say because there is nothing more to say. The best way to see how good someone can be at lifting weights is through the results they get from lifting weights. Through how far and fast they come, not where they started. Not how big they get from gym class and certainly not how big their wrists are. Period.
Instead of trying to get the last word in, just start a new thread as asked.
Whoever that is in those pictures, Awesome development! A physique I am still striving for! keep it up!
My age matters why?
For the record, I never said anything about wrists lol. where did this come from?
pwrbarboy
You look awesome in those pics. How’s it going these days? Any improvements?
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
My age matters why?
For the record, I never said anything about wrists lol. where did this come from?[/quote]
Your age doesn’t really matter, I was just curious because in this thread (and the one you started) you come off as more than a little immature. That being said, you do know what you are doing (as evidenced by your pics and advice in other threads), so I can’t really fault you for it. Most people fall into that trap around here more often than not.
The wrist comment was in regards to whatever the hell WhiteFlash was talking about when he tried to connect wrist measurements into the discussion.
He looks impressive.
Use of steroids has nothing to do with the fact that he looks impressive.
This is “Rate My Physique,” nothing but how the guy looks should matter.
Yah conner I understand what you’re saying. Im just easily provoked and somewhat hotheaded at times so I know that may seem a little immature, but thats just my emotions getting the better of me. Im not this bad in real life, theres just something about arguing over the internet that gets me all fired up lol.
Yah I think somebody else said something about wrists and somehow along the line I got associated with it lol.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Yah conner I understand what you’re saying. Im just easily provoked and somewhat hotheaded at times so I know that may seem a little immature, but thats just my emotions getting the better of me. Im not this bad in real life, theres just something about arguing over the internet that gets me all fired up lol.[/quote]
No harm, no foul. You shoulda seen me when I first came here. Now I’m more of a lurker.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Also I am by no means jealous lol, and you think this kid is bigger than me? Um no. Even if I was a lot smaller I would I bet he would feel very uncomfortable walking around with his shirt off b/c of his insane bacne. Brinign my infection into this has nothing to do with our argument lol.
And for the record, I am the 3rd biggest guy in my college gym, the 2 who are bigger than me, how do I know this? b/c I dsicuss thier cycles with them So contrary to your belief, it DOES mean that anyone bigger than me is using steroids
Owned.[/quote]
I agree with Anonym. He looks better than you bro. No matter what he’s done, he still looks better. Contrary to what you believe, I’m bigger than you, and I’m not on anything.
To the OP. Nice work. You should definitely get in some shows before you hit 20. You could make a splash.
I wish this thread would die.
Read the whole thread.
Pay attention when experienced bodybuilders speak. (aka…Prisoner…also calling him juiced)
The op looks good.
The op works hard.
The op is juiced.
Those are 3 facts, and regardless of how much denial anybody wants to put into it, they are facts.
/end thread.
[quote]ImmenseFiend50 wrote:
I agree with Anonym. He looks better than you bro. No matter what he’s done, he still looks better. Contrary to what you believe, I’m bigger than you, and I’m not on anything.
To the OP. Nice work. You should definitely get in some shows before you hit 20. You could make a splash.[/quote]
I checked out his pics and I don’t agree that he looks better then waylander. waylander doesn’t look as cut a little smoother, but a lot bigger (more muscular).
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