RIDICULOUS for 19 y/o. Wish I could gain that much mass in 2 years
First I wanna say thanks to everyone who has given me feedback… both positive and negative. I posted here cause I wanted peoples opinions, and that’s what I’ve gotten… so thanks.
Leg routine? Well, it changes alot, but here’s what I dad last week.
Squats- 7 sets
Smith machine front squats- 5 sets
Dumbell lunges on a bench- 8 sets
One-legged leg press- 6 sets
Leg-extensions- 6 sets
Lying Hamstring curls- 6 sets
you do 38 sets for your legs? you’re killing yourself for nothing. i don’t see how you can recover with kind of volume.
Yeah, well after I’m done with it man I don’t feel like I’ll ever recover… it kills. I’ve always trained really high volume though… don’t know why, but that’s just what I’ve always done.
[quote]pwrbarboy wrote:
And you’re right, PH’s aren’t roids, but they’re not natural either.[/quote]
Pro hormones are steroids.
Pro drugs are drugs that once metabolised, transform into other drugs within the body.
For example Codeine is a pro- drug. It is converted to morphine once it is metabolized.
The ‘Pro drugs’ were a way for supplement companies to get around the law in selling steroids during the 90’s. But the government wised up and closed the loop-hole.
Some drugs like for example super-drol were never banned as there was no record of them existing, as they were never patented by any company, and never in the past made it past the experimental stage.
Regardless they are still steroids that build muscle mass and suppress the hypothalmus - pituitary/ testicular axis.
Now I understand Bodybuilders who deny using steroids to non lifters, however I have absolutely no respect, as do most guys in my position for little juiced up 5 foot nothing teenagers who post their picture and claim they havn’t been using AAS.
And then to see others being flamed because they even question the guy on it is laughable.
Teenagers do not grow muscle that quickly. His metabolism alone would prevent it from happening, no matter how hard he trained and how much he ate.
Even from the leg workout he posted - he is clearly over training and would never be able to be so developed at his age in such little time without the use of steroids.
AAS is very forgiving, and most people who begin it at an early age never learn how to eat or train properly, or to listen to their body.
The result is that they experience very rapid initial gains, but down the road future gains become very hard to attain, even with using higher dosages.
dude you simply do not need that much volume. that’s some serious overkill. by all means keep the intensity high but i’d really cut way back on the sets. you’ll make better gains i’m sure not to mention have some free friggin time to have a life 
Prisoner I respect you greatly and maybe I’m being naive about how I deal with people but if the guy said he didn’t use more than some pro hormones then I’m going to take his word for it.
If he lied about it so be it, but I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
superthrustjon wrote:
Ok I’ll be the one to say it.
not that I care or it matters, still an extremely impressive physique that I am indeed jealous of, buuuttt …
Not natural.
bodybuilding will never be a mainstream sport containing people w/ your mindset.
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It’s hard not to say he juices. Anyone that goes to the gym consistantly know that a large amount of young kids juice and some look like they do and some pussy foot around with the stuff and don’t building anything up but some nice man tits.
110lbs to what he is now (I have forgotten what he said he weighs now) is pretty rediculous, expecially because he looks like he is sporting 8-9% body fat.
He is also only 5’ 7" so that contributes to is quick ability to gain size quickly. Average kid his age is growing out of the acne stage of his life and he does have a lot of acne on his back.
Who am I to say he juices, atleast he doesn’t he cheese gordita crunches 5 nights a week at 3am from taco bell, which I might add are the best fucking fast food on this planet.
Keep up the dedication.
[quote]Scott M wrote:
Prisoner I respect you greatly and maybe I’m being naive about how I deal with people but if the guy said he didn’t use more than some pro hormones then I’m going to take his word for it.
If he lied about it so be it, but I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt. [/quote]
I understand your good will, however the prohormones line is a common one - remember Mark Mcquire? Don’t think it was adrosteindione that was responsible for his build! But it was a way of him ‘legally’ explaining things away at the time.
Take it from me, natural athletes just do not put on that kind of muscle in such little time.
Especially teenagers at that age who’s bodies are focused on growing taller, not building unheard of teenage natural physiques.
Natural or not, very motoviating especially for us shorter guys.
I wish I got serious when I was that young. ha
really really good progress man! makes me wanna train harder!
I take creatine and whey. If i’m not natural… I really don’t care!
Again, good work man!
To put it simply he is insulting everybody who has trained at that age and done it naturally. I understand if you are talking to people who don’t train and are not into the gym, but to lie to us all who trained and worked hard to put on small amounts of muscle at that age - it is as if he is putting an indictment on everyone else who trained naturally just as hard as he did, yet he for some reason did it so much ‘better’ than the rest of us. That’s bull and that is why I have a problem with it.
[quote]Prisoner wrote:
To put it simply he is insulting everybody who has trained at that age and done it naturally. I understand if you are talking to people who don’t train and are not into the gym, but to lie to us all who trained and worked hard to put on small amounts of muscle at that age - it is as if he is putting an indictment on everyone else who trained naturally just as hard as he did, yet he for some reason did it so much ‘better’ than the rest of us. That’s bull and that is why I have a problem with it.[/quote]
Yeah I was very frustrated at first when I came across this thread since I am about the same age.
I’m insulting you? Great, be offended then, I don’t give a shit.
Honestly, I should be offended… I have worked extremely hard for the results I have obtained and am the more dedicated to my training than any other 18-19 yr. old I’ve ever met. I train balls-out heavy for over 15 hours a week and am extremely dedicated to my diet… I haven’t touched junk food in two years. If people see this and are frusterated with how I look, then get the fuck off T-Nation and go do something about it.
I am NOT lying about what I have taken… I would piss in a cup for all y’all, but this is the internet… so fuck it, don’t believe me. I don’t care how experienced or respected on this site you are… YOU DON’T FUCKING KNOW ME!
-you’ve never trained with me.
-you don’t know what I eat.
-you don’t know what kind of genetics I have.
-you don’t know how driven I am.
Saying something is impossible is stupid, especially when your knowledge of me is only as large as a few thumbnails on a fucking internet forumn.
And if someone takes this whole thing as a “I’m better than you” statement, than again, be offended… but that’s NOT at all what I indended this to be, it’s just pictures. In reality, if you are saying that no bodybuilders are “better” than others, what’s the point of competition? Hell, maybe I DID do a better job that some of you… maybe bodybuilding is more than just drugs… maybe there’s alot of genetics and hard work involved.
…and just so you know, I’m about 5’7", maybe 5’8"… that’s not “five foot nothing.” There are many, many great bodybuilders that height or shorter…
you know guys, im sure that the op was not trying to offend you by taking ph’s and posting his pictures on this website, there really is no need to be bitches about it…
To the OP: You made it apparent that you juice by the fact that you have made gains off of a 37 set-per-session bodybuilding regimine. Ad that to the fact that you have only been training for 2 years, means you gained 2/3 pound of pure solid muscle tissue every week, and considering that this on par with the most elite pros whos diet and training are superior to yours makes many question how possibly some skinny skateboarder could just take up bodybuilding for a few years and accomplish this naturally. I have to say, if you are natural, it’s a physiological anomaly.
[quote]pwrbarboy wrote:
I’m insulting you? Great, be offended then, I don’t give a shit.
Honestly, I should be offended… I have worked extremely hard for the results I have obtained and am the more dedicated to my training than any other 18-19 yr. old I’ve ever met. I train balls-out heavy for over 15 hours a week and am extremely dedicated to my diet… I haven’t touched junk food in two years. If people see this and are frusterated with how I look, then get the fuck off T-Nation and go do something about it.
I am NOT lying about what I have taken… I would piss in a cup for all y’all, but this is the internet… so fuck it, don’t believe me. I don’t care how experienced or respected on this site you are… YOU DON’T FUCKING KNOW ME!
-you’ve never trained with me.
-you don’t know what I eat.
-you don’t know what kind of genetics I have.
-you don’t know how driven I am.
Saying something is impossible is stupid, especially when your knowledge of me is only as large as a few thumbnails on a fucking internet forumn.
And if someone takes this whole thing as a “I’m better than you” statement, than again, be offended… but that’s NOT at all what I indended this to be, it’s just pictures. In reality, if you are saying that no bodybuilders are “better” than others, what’s the point of competition? Hell, maybe I DID do a better job that some of you… maybe bodybuilding is more than just drugs… maybe there’s alot of genetics and hard work involved.
…and just so you know, I’m about 5’7", maybe 5’8"… that’s not “five foot nothing.” There are many, many great bodybuilders that height or shorter…
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O.k, now I have already established that your genetics are pretty well limited. I am not questioning how hard you work, however don’t think there are not others around that work just as hard as you if not harder, because there is plenty, you just don’t know them.
Now I wasn’t born yesterday, and I have seen a lot of kids just like you blow up in the gym after only a few months of taking steroids. And once again yes prohormones are steroids, and anyone who doesn’t understand that… well no need for me to be mean.
I am not saying that those who use AAS work any less as hard in the gym as those who do, as I for one can attest. However, when you try and pass yourself off as a ‘natural’ athlete, when you know and I know that your mass gains are 100% chemically assisted, that is the problem I have.
In fact I have a problem with anybody who tries to pass themselves off as a ‘natural’ athlete when they are chemically enhanced.
That includes guys who may not have used AAS in years, but are now competing in ‘natural’ events. You used the drugs to attain a level of muscular development, therefore you are not natural. That is completely unfair to the guys who are strictly natural and stand by their principles for which these shows where designed for.
And as for the five foot nothing comment, sorry, nothing personal, but competively speaking, please, name me any bodybuilder that has ever won an Olympia at your height in the modern era.
I gotta say…I see eye to eye on P22 on this.
Natural or not, you’ve got some sick genetics. Especially in the case of the former.
And you’ve obviously put in very hard work, so keep it up and make safe decisions. You should definitely enter some BBing shows.
Best of luck with everything and train hard!
-Matt
Alright good response…
… and I guess I missunderstood what you were trying to say.
I am NOT claiming to be natural, when did I say that? WHen asked, I immediately told what I had used and said I wasn’t natural, I know that. I DO NOT plan on competeing in any natural shows. I took some ph’s, and YES, I know what they are… I did plenty of research before I took anything of the sort. Someone was actually going to try to get me to enter a “natural” show later this year, but I declined for the ethical reasons you stated above.
All I was defending myself against was taking large amounts of AAS and that my gains were “100% chemically assisted.” I have used 3 bottles of ph’s in my life, and that’s all. The majority of my gains have come naturally, but I DO NOT CONSIDER MYSELF NATURAL… I still can’t figure out why the hell this is such a big deal. I’m just trying to say that I don’t use ph’s as a crutch… I’m not on any now and I’m still making gains.
As for the height thing. Yeah I know, but just because a bodybuilder doesn’t win first at the Olympia doesn’t mean he’s a failure. Dexter Jackson is 5’6" and he placed 3rd this year. Hell, Lee Priest is 5’4" (with very small clavicles) and he’s been a succesfull professional.
He put on 66-67 pounds of muscle in 30 months with no fat gain.
hmmmm
lol at 1morerep telling him he needs to train differently. sure looks like what he is doing is working.