3 bottles of ph is only a month long cycle?
And have you ever hit the GH? I’m not attacking or accusing, I’m interested for specific reasons.
You have your diet down and haven’t cheated in so long, yet you mainly eat turkey wraps with deli meat because you are so busy with college you can not afford or have the time to eat healthy. This is what you said. Now you are changing your story saying you eat so healthy and are extremely dedicated to it. No offense, but I don’t believe a word you say. Sorry
[quote]GetSwole wrote:
3 bottles of ph is only a month long cycle?[/quote]
I have done two now… 4 weeks long each, both at low doses. Each one was a bottle and a half.
[quote]DeanoT wrote:
You have your diet down and haven’t cheated in so long, yet you mainly eat turkey wraps with deli meat because you are so busy with college you can not afford or have the time to eat healthy. This is what you said. Now you are changing your story saying you eat so healthy and are extremely dedicated to it. No offense, but I don’t believe a word you say. Sorry[/quote]
okay sorry, “junk food” was a poor word choice on my part. Earlier in the year the only meat I had available to me was turkey… so yes, I ate it… it was better than nothing. I was actually very upset about it, but it was the best I could do at that time. I meant to say that I don’t eat fried things or desserts, ect. and haven’t for over 2 years. Now I fiqured out how to cook raw meat in my dorm room and have been doing much better. I do the best that I personally can… I know that there are many teens who probly have more available to them and are doing better than me with their diets. But as I said, I do the best that my situation alows… that was what I was trying to say.
[quote]GetSwole wrote:
And have you ever hit the GH? I’m not attacking or accusing, I’m interested for specific reasons.[/quote]
No, I haven’t… why?
Cuz I find GH to be an interesting topic.
[quote]GetSwole wrote:
Cuz I find GH to be an interesting topic.[/quote]
Alright, cool… yeah, I find it interesting too… all I can say is that it must be good stuff since all the biggest pros take massive amounts of it.
[quote]1morerep wrote:
dude you simply do not need that much volume. that’s some serious overkill. by all means keep the intensity high but i’d really cut way back on the sets. you’ll make better gains i’m sure not to mention have some free friggin time to have a life ;)[/quote]
if it works why change?> of course having a life would be nice!!!
[quote]bealedozer wrote:
1morerep wrote:
dude you simply do not need that much volume. that’s some serious overkill. by all means keep the intensity high but i’d really cut way back on the sets. you’ll make better gains i’m sure not to mention have some free friggin time to have a life 
if it works why change?> of course having a life would be nice!!![/quote]
I agree the volume can be cut back and the gains may even be better. Legs however do sometimes need the extra volume to respond - they are much harder to over train then upper body i.e. chest for eg.
You’re looking better with the haircut, haha.
[quote]pwrbarboy wrote:
Well here’s a pic of me right before I started lifting. I was 17 and I was about 110 lbs. and was pretty weak.
…and I don’t know what my measurements are, I never get around to doing that kind of stuff… and I don’t think I own a tape measure.[/quote]
wow this is really the same person? lol Amazing results…
i was just suggesting that he might make better gains and recover more fully by reducing the volume a bit. you know there is more than one way to train. and believe it or not, other people can sometimes come up with a helpful idea now and then. but if you knew that or how to train in general you’d probably have some pics of yourself showing that but you don’t so i guess that settles that.
[quote]1morerep wrote:
pvoosen wrote: lol at 1morerep telling him he needs to train differently. sure looks like what he is doing is working.
but if you knew that or how to train in general you’d probably have some pics of yourself showing that but you don’t so i guess that settles that. [/quote]
lol 1morerep, nothing against you but that was kinda weak.
in response to what pvoosen said, 1morerep is right, there really is not much of a chance that someone can train that extensively for that long and make gains. As we all know, the whole cortisol thing, that gets goin around 47 minutes of work, is bad for muscle growth…and as 1morerep said, if you trained you would probably know that.
to go over an hour and a half max would really be counterproductive without chemical assistance, like a pH, which the OP already admitted to using so its no big deal.
im sure that if the op lifted for…say an hour and 15 minutes as opposed to 3 hours, he would be far more enormous that he is now. you have to imagine that what he took must have been pretty serious if he can get those results lifting 15 hours a week, with relatively few things to eat.
its not really a case of some things work for some people when it gets to training for 3+ hours. That does not work for anyone lol.
this whole thread is filled with hilarity because a lot of the people who posted on it for some reason actually believe that the Op, or anyone for that matter gives a damn about what they think.
there was a lot of stuff i would expect to see on bb.com or elsewhere, but certainly not here
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but if you knew that or how to train in general you’d probably have some pics of yourself showing that but you don’t so i guess that settles that.
lol 1morerep, nothing against you but that was kinda weak. [/quote]
weak? ok now you’ve pressed some buttons! call it what you will but i’m just tired of seeing posts by those who want to make it seem as if they actually know what they’re talking about when they have nothing to back it up. it’s always you should (or shouldn’t) train like this, eat like this, do this exercise, do that exercise. on and on and on and do they make these recommendations because they’ve actually put them into use in their own regimen? not likely. they probably just read some article and can’t wait to repeat in a post.
i work extremely hard to look the way i do and i’m damn proud of it. it’s taken me a lot of work to get here and i have no problems posting my pics for all to see. in fact i admit i like showing it off. and why not? isn’t that part of why we bust our asses like we do…to look good? so when i continuously see these posts by those who claim they know they’re shit and they have no pics posted, that says a lot. it means most likely that they’re not confident with how they look. a picture speaks volumes so if you wanna rag on someone or challenge them…you had better look like you know what you’re talking about…that’s all i’m saying.
ok…rant over 
haha 1morerep i feel what you said in the post i quoted, i just thought your come back was funny
and you are totally right, as i was saying. i wish the people who had knowledge on this website would speak up more, thus leaving no room for the inexperienced morons to run their mouths.
if that were the case this thread would be like…5 pages long, lol
Dont hate me. My pics are in my thread. ;}
Fellas, I’d like to drop in on the “high volume” / “high workout frequency” thing.
In my own experience I need both high volume and high frequency to add muscle during a fat loss diet (I’m a natural, working out for the last 8 years). In this configuration I need a high protein intake; my fat input is moderate and I try to keep my carbs under 50g per day.
But: when not on a fat loss diet, I get the best results by a lower volume and a lower workout frequency. In contrast to the low carb approach while dieting I try to keep the macronutient ratio balanced, so: 1/3 carbs, 1/3 protein, 1/3 fat.
On my last fat loss diet I performed tabata squats (with approx. 60% of my normal 10 rep squat weight) prior to each workout; I had 5-6 whole body workouts a week. Go figure.
Weird, ain’t it? I’m not one for bullshitting, but that’s as it happens to me. I guess that recuperative capabality varies a lot among people.
On a personal note: I feel better doing a slow bulk (just a little surplus of carbs and proteins above my maintenance level) having just 4 whole body workouts a week with low to medium volume, complexes / super sets and the occasional cardio bout interspersed.
1morerep, I admire your physique (I could use another fat loss diet to drop a few more pounds of lard to look more like you do), your dedication and your attitude. Just keep in mind that there’s a big variance between peoples’ genetics. And - not intending to be offensive: the OP is half your age and on gear. Myself, I’m 14 years your junior and I haven’t missed many workouts in the past 8 years (although I made lots of mistakes), so, apart from genetics I don’t think it’s surprising that I can cope pretty good with a high volume and workout frequency.
thanks raw. no doubt the OP is doing well with his current method. but sometimes it pays to experiment. i was suggesting that cutting volume might result in improved progress. indeed youth and pharmaceuticals work wonders for recovery. but his cortisol levels must shoot through the roof with that many sets.
but people are sooo set in their ways that the idea of trying something different is just dismissed. i’m no stranger to hard work but admittedly i don’t want to do anymore more than i need to so if i can get done what i need to get done by doing 15 sets as opposed to 30+ i’ll gladly do my 15 and be on my way without a shred of guilt that i punked out.
if he just tried cutting his volume in half say, he might very well experience better progress. if not…ok then back to his previous drill. the point is if u you don’t experiment sometimes, you may be missing out on something that works wonders for you. you never know until you try.