[quote]Con@n wrote:
I weight between 255-260 and can do that with ease. I respect other peoples opinion if they disagree, but that’s why I made the thread, to see who does fit my mold. [/quote]
You realize we can all see your avatar picture right? So unless you’re using a picture of some 215 lbs. guy for some inexplicable reason, you do not weigh 260
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]Con@n wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]Con@n wrote:
For your education, so we don’t have to end up back at this juncture, I bench 400, squat 600, and deadlift 650.
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No. No you don’t.
Vids- I’ll be the first to say “I’m wrong”.
Bench- Maybe
Dead - Maybe
Squat - Skeptical.[/quote]
Just follow my training log; at this exact moment I could hit 405 on bench, 650 on deads, squat I can rep 455 for 10. I’m kind of a bitch when it comes to maxing squat.
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Hey, cool log! But, I didn’t see vids of the lifts.[/quote]
Yes, because I take the time to make up all my stats everyday just so I can have the credibility during long forum flaming sessions. No doubt, I’m sure so have gone to those lengths…but really, come on. I’ll post vids when I actually get close to my goals. Minus the 6 minute mile, but maybe 5 minute…
or you’re like 6’ 7"
[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
[quote]Con@n wrote:
I weight between 255-260 and can do that with ease. I respect other peoples opinion if they disagree, but that’s why I made the thread, to see who does fit my mold. [/quote]
You realize we can all see your avatar picture right? So unless you’re using a picture of some 215 lbs. guy for some inexplicable reason, you do not weigh 260
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It’s pretty lame how everyone thinks I weight 215 in that pic, I actually weighted 245 - but I am 6’3. If you look at my performance photo, I’ve put on about 15lbs. I only lost weight because I tore my PCL.
[quote]Con@n wrote:
Okay. So if I took the running portion out and balanced the deadlift to 405 by 10. I still have
doubts more than a couple dozen people on this site could do it. That’s the question I was trying to answer. Are the people on this site the same dudes I see at my gym, or actually elite? We all hid behind avatars, and without the so called internet credibility we are nobodies. So I wanted to see everyones real credibility. Made up or not, all I can do is take people at face value, which I am willing to do.
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Dude, this is bodybuilding. The pictures are the real credibility. People can argue all they want about whether my hammer strength machine means I am strong but they can’t argue away the size I’ve gained.
If they don’t have pics, don’t believe what they say. People who really work hard at this and are used to standing out everywhere are NOT the type to be shy about putting their pic on a site like this especially since the head can be blocked out.
Therefore, no pics equals liar liar pants on fire.
case solved.
[quote]Con@n wrote:
[quote]deat wrote:
[quote]Con@n wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
And I don’t think prehistoric man ‘rehabbed’ either.
He/she either recovered or rotted.
BBB[/quote]
Well you bunch sure like to explore the minutia.
So what, you just pulled that out of your ass to disagree?
rehabilitation - to restore to a condition of good health, ability to work, or the like.
recovery - restoration or return to any former and better state or condition.
I believe they are also synonyms, but what do I know.
reference: dictionary.com[/quote]
Con@n,
I don’t have a problem with you setting up arbitrary standards so everyone can see how gosh darn well rounded you are.
I do have a problem when you come onto a bodybuilding forum and start acting like you know more than veteran members with 10000000000000 times more creditibility and experience than you.
For your information BBB is rehabbing Zack Khan, you probably don’t know who that is, look him up.[/quote]
The dig at my selfworth is fine as long as you can respect my opinion, so truce on that.
I don’t see how this has anything to do with my point. Regardless of credibility and experience you can still be wrong about a definition; and regardless of credibility or experience you can still be a dick. Not saying BBB is a dick, just his statement. Next time I will remember my place.[/quote]
You don’t see how this has anything to do with your point? You get your definitions from dictionary.com, BBB is a healthcare/wellness professional… I will break it down for you, even though I am not a professional in health or wellness:
Physical Rehab = actively doing things recomended by science and experience to deal with injuries/disorders (i.e. treatment with medications, physical modalities, physical training with therapeutic exercise, movement & activities modification, adaptive equipment and assistive devices, orthotics, prosthesis, systematic training approaches blah blah blah)
Recovery (physiological healing): where the human body regenerates or repairs cells (going on since humans showed up, long before rehab).
When I get back in the states hopefully I’ll have some “sick abz” to post on here, I know you said I’m lean enough - but I like perfection.
Well anyways, I’m exhausted, but it was fun and I boosted my post count.
/Bowing out.
[quote]Con@n wrote:
When I get back in the states hopefully I’ll have some “sick abz” to post on here, I know you said I’m lean enough - but I like perfection.
Well anyways, I’m exhausted, but it was fun and I boosted my post count.
/Bowing out.[/quote]
You ARE lean enough…and your body doesn’t want to be 245lbs. It wants to be 260+…but you keep holding it back.
I am still perplexed why you started this thread though. People already have pics in their hubs and the ones who don’t are the ones most of us don’t give much credibility to anyway aside from a very select few.
Deat, you posted that the exact minute I bowed out. What the F.
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
[quote]Con@n wrote:
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
my sole concern is strength to the detriment of my health. ironically though, i can run a 6 minute mile. [/quote]
That is impressive. If you look at my training log that’s what I am aiming for.
I, too, play rugby to the detriment of my health, so I can relate. [/quote]
i’m a p.e. teacher and three times a year during physical fitness testing i run the mile with the kids to show them that my fat ass can actually move pretty quick. i can still run the four quarter my laps on my track in 6 minutes. [/quote]
I would love to see this. For serious. I would pay 1,000,000 interwebz dollhairs to whoever can provide me with a a video of this.
Op,
What are you like 20 something? Don’t worry about it as it happens to all of us. You get hyped up on the preworkout, have a killer session and see all the little people lifting little weights at the gym. You get caught up in your own hype and you make a topic like this. We’ve all had bouts of mental vacation. Take solace in knowing that it happens less and less as you get older (usually).
FYI- I think most of the people on this site pre exhaust with 225 on bench.
Lastly - love to see a vid of your 405 bench. We have similar BW/Hgt and I’m lucky to hit 405 for a couple of reps. I could really use the motivation to get over the hump. My last max on squat was only 505lbs x 5 so you got me feeling pretty weak.
[quote]Con@n wrote:
Deat, you posted that the exact minute I bowed out. What the F.[/quote]
It’s all good man, I’m just trying to help you out.
Don’t worry I don’t need hot abz pics, I see quite a lot of potential in your avitar.
Listen to X, if you boost your kcals you will be at your strength goals in no time.
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
Op,
What are you like 20 something? Don’t worry about it as it happens to all of us. You get hyped up on the preworkout, have a killer session and see all the little people lifting little weights at the gym. You get caught up in your own hype and you make a topic like this. We’ve all had bouts of mental vacation. Take solace in knowing that it happens less and less as you get older (usually).
FYI- I think most of the people on this site pre exhaust with 225 on bench.
Lastly - love to see a vid of your 405 bench. We have similar BW/Hgt and I’m lucky to hit 405 for a couple of reps. I could really use the motivation to get over the hump. My last max on squat was only 505lbs x 5 so you got me feeling pretty weak.[/quote]
Dude, if you put on the weight he has, you could probably hit it too. He was as heavy as nearly 260lbs before he got scared and starved himself down to 240 because his waist hit a whopping 34" or something.
He comes across much like you did as well…ie, has great potential but is surrounded by weak average people so he doesn’t push to see where his limits really are.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
Op,
What are you like 20 something? Don’t worry about it as it happens to all of us. You get hyped up…[/quote]
Dude, if you put on the weight he has, you could probably hit it too. He was as heavy as nearly 260lbs before he got scared and starved himself down to 240 because his waist hit a whopping 34" or something.
He has great potential but is surrounded by weak average people so he doesn’t push to see where his limits really are.[/quote]
QFT
Surround yourself with people stronger/bigger/smarter than yourself.
[quote]deat wrote:
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
[quote]Con@n wrote:
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
my sole concern is strength to the detriment of my health. ironically though, i can run a 6 minute mile. [/quote]
That is impressive. If you look at my training log that’s what I am aiming for.
I, too, play rugby to the detriment of my health, so I can relate. [/quote]
i’m a p.e. teacher and three times a year during physical fitness testing i run the mile with the kids to show them that my fat ass can actually move pretty quick. i can still run the four quarter my laps on my track in 6 minutes. [/quote]
I would love to see this. For serious. I would pay 1,000,000 interwebz dollhairs to whoever can provide me with a a video of this.[/quote]
Me too. I have no doubt MM is honest about every lift he ever posted, but I have a hard time believing this 6 minute mile claim.
MM, when you say six minute mile do you mean 6:XX or do you mean =or<6.00? I can believe 6:45 or something but 6:00? I need more convincing.
[quote]Con@n wrote:
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
[quote]Con@n wrote:
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
I think your idea of strength is retarded. Besides the fact that 315 squat/deadlift for 10 isn’t anything big, your concept that all powerlifters are in poor health is moronic at best. There are some people that just aren’t ever going to be decent runners yet may be much better at other activities.[/quote]
Just jumpin on the bandwagon. I respect your opinion, and I respect loosely, but it’s a bit troubling how you can’t respect others. My standard was relatively low because I didn’t think many people on this site could do that. And I’m still no sure, there just seems to be alot of bitching going on.
I have no concept that all powerlifters are in poor health. How you made that leap of faith is a little more confusing. I was giving an example that they are a class of lifters that would sacrifice many things, including health, for strength. I never used any word of exclusivity or totality that labeled all powerlifters as being in power health.
Recreational powerlifters, which I fall under, don’t sacrifice anything whatsoever for training - we do it because it’s fun. However, there are some within the higher circles, which if you know no example of you live under a rock, that sacrifice everything for a number. Health, family, livelihood, income for the pursuit of 1000lb bench or what have you. I actually admire that, so I excluded anyone that specialized in a task out of more standard, because their dedication is honorable.
FYI, decent runner isn’t the 7 minute mile range.[/quote]
I chose to read your words as is. You generalized powerlifters, so I decided to comment on it. Your example of powerlifters sacrificing everything such as health, family, livelihood and income to purse a very large bench, deadlift, or squat is irrelevant. There are people in all aspects of life, competitive or non competitive that make those same sacrifices. Olympic athletes often sacrifice all of that for the sake of being the best at their respective sports. Professional football players, basketball players, and baseball players often-times do as well yet they happen to make millions of dollars while doing it so very few people question whether or not it was a “good choice”.
Decent = Average in my opinion. I’d consider someone with attributable mass running a 7 minute mile a decent runner. I could of used the example of a rowing machine just the same and your idea of average and my idea of average would be completely different. Average is an accepted norm and I’d say on here, most people would consider 7 minute mile quite average. Go to a marathon runners website and the 7 minute mile would be laughable.[/quote]
I’d say you are just backpedaling here. I used an example, I should have used more examples so I wouldn’t be targeting one group and hurting anyones feelings. I think my lack of examples is irrelevant.
Saying decent = average is liking saying my intermediate standard is average. An average person couldn’t come close to the intermediate standard, and that’s what’s so great about it, because its all relative. Your 7 minute mile marathon reference is exactly my point.[/quote]
Far from back-pedaling. Again you have to think of the target audience. This is a bodybuilding forum where people are actually strong, where we don’t give a shit about 7 minute miles. It’s not that you hurt anyones feelings it’s that you generalizing powerlifters in such a way is just plain ignorant. I simply spoke up on it. I do think your intermediate standard is average - here. As prof-x pointed out if we actually gave a shit about what the norm was we’d never progress.
well I know this thread didnt stand a chance from the first post, and it has turned into a debate now buuuuut…
I can do all of those “Strong” requirements except the clean 225. I never do cleans so it would probably take some practice.
When you say 7 minute mile does that mean 7 minutes flat or anything under 8? (if its 7 flat I think A LOT of people here would have trouble hitting that)
[quote]on edge wrote:
MM, when you say six minute mile do you mean 6:XX or do you mean =or<6.00? I can believe 6:45 or something but 6:00? I need more convincing.
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anything under 7 minutes is technically a “6 minute mile”… more appropriately named a “sub 7 minute mile”
[quote]Con@n wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Con@n wrote:
Saying decent = average is liking saying my intermediate standard is average. An average person couldn’t come close to the intermediate standard, and that’s what’s so great about it, because its all relative. Your 7 minute mile marathon reference is exactly my point.[/quote]
Who cares about “average people”?
Look, 20 years ago, the AVERAGE person working his ass off in the gym was by no means TRULY AVERAGE. They likely had genetics better than most and progressed faster. Yes, they worked hard, but there were no gyms overflowing with fat people and tons of people who don’t even look like they train at all…unlike today.
That is WHY no serious weight lifter gives a rat’s ass how they measure up to flat out sedentary average people.
AVERAGE IN THE GYM does not equal AVERAGE SEDENTARY PERSON WHO CAN’T SQUAT THE BAR.
Your 225lbs bench press IS average…to serious weight lifters who don’t plan on looking average.[/quote]
Okay. So if I took the running portion out and balanced the deadlift to 405 by 10. I still have
doubts more than a couple dozen people on this site could do it. That’s the question I was trying to answer. Are the people on this site the same dudes I see at my gym, or actually elite? We all hid behind avatars, and without the so called internet credibility we are nobodies. So I wanted to see everyones real credibility. Made up or not, all I can do is take people at face value, which I am willing to do.
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you seriously question whether more than a few people here could deadlift 405 for 10? Why would you be posting here then?
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
MM, when you say six minute mile do you mean 6:XX or do you mean =or<6.00? I can believe 6:45 or something but 6:00? I need more convincing.
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anything under 7 minutes is technically a “6 minute mile”… more appropriately named a “sub 7 minute mile”[/quote]
Either way, I knew a lot of really in shape guys who lived for running who were barely making that in the military.