So Who's Strong on Here?

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[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
I think your idea of strength is retarded. Besides the fact that 315 squat/deadlift for 10 isn’t anything big, your concept that all powerlifters are in poor health is moronic at best. There are some people that just aren’t ever going to be decent runners yet may be much better at other activities.[/quote]

Just jumpin on the bandwagon. I respect your opinion, and I respect loosely, but it’s a bit troubling how you can’t respect others. My standard was relatively low because I didn’t think many people on this site could do that. And I’m still no sure, there just seems to be alot of bitching going on.

I have no concept that all powerlifters are in poor health. How you made that leap of faith is a little more confusing. I was giving an example that they are a class of lifters that would sacrifice many things, including health, for strength. I never used any word of exclusivity or totality that labeled all powerlifters as being in power health.

Recreational powerlifters, which I fall under, don’t sacrifice anything whatsoever for training - we do it because it’s fun. However, there are some within the higher circles, which if you know no example of you live under a rock, that sacrifice everything for a number. Health, family, livelihood, income for the pursuit of 1000lb bench or what have you. I actually admire that, so I excluded anyone that specialized in a task out of more standard, because their dedication is honorable.

FYI, decent runner isn’t the 7 minute mile range.

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[quote]Con@n wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
And I don’t think prehistoric man ‘rehabbed’ either.

He/she either recovered or rotted.

BBB[/quote]

Well you bunch sure like to explore the minutia.

So what, you just pulled that out of your ass to disagree?

rehabilitation - to restore to a condition of good health, ability to work, or the like.

recovery - restoration or return to any former and better state or condition.

I believe they are also synonyms, but what do I know.

reference: dictionary.com[/quote]

Con@n,

I don’t have a problem with you setting up arbitrary standards so everyone can see how gosh darn well rounded you are.

I do have a problem when you come onto a bodybuilding forum and start acting like you know more than veteran members with 10000000000000 times more creditibility and experience than you.

For your information BBB is rehabbing Zack Khan, you probably don’t know who that is, look him up.

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[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:
I surpass all the “top level” requirements. Does that mean I should stop?? If those are standards to aspire to, then you need to start dreaming bigger.[/quote]

Rest assured those are standards I have long surpassed. I simply wanted to know how many other people on this site have. I was thinking anyone that fit the label “top level” would make a good lift partner, and I honestly don’t know many people that can do that.

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[quote]Con@n wrote:

Just jumpin on the bandwagon. I respect your opinion, and I respect loosely, but it’s a bit troubling how you can’t respect others. My standard was relatively low because I didn’t think many people on this site could do that. And I’m still no sure, there just seems to be alot of bitching going on.[/quote]

Dude, you may be right that most who LOG IN may not be able to do that, but we aren’t worried about them. They don’t set the standard for bodybuilding and aren’t the people anyone looks up to.

The weights you posted seem pretty sorry for anyone actually serious enough about this to stand out.

[quote]

I have no concept that all powerlifters are in poor health. How you made that leap of faith is a little more confusing. I was giving an example that they are a class of lifters that would sacrifice many things, including health, for strength. I never used any word of exclusivity or totality that labeled all powerlifters as being in power health. [/quote]

gee, most athletes, period, sacrifice their health for their sport. Do you think football is healthy? Most of those guys can’t even walk well over the age of 45. How is bodybuilding any different?

[quote]

Recreational powerlifters, which I fall under, don’t sacrifice anything whatsoever for training - we do it because it’s fun. However, there are some within the higher circles, which if you know no example of you live under a rock, that sacrifice everything for a number. Health, family, livelihood, income for the pursuit of 1000lb bench or what have you. I actually admire that, so I excluded anyone that specialized in a task out of more standard, because their dedication is honorable.

FYI, decent runner isn’t the 7 minute mile range.[/quote]

But how much someone chooses to sacrifice for what they want is really up to that person alone…and you doubtfully would even know this without knowing them very closely.

I know many “recreational bodybuilders” who are likely on more shit than the pros. I don’t agree with it, but it happens.

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
my sole concern is strength to the detriment of my health. ironically though, i can run a 6 minute mile. [/quote]

That is impressive. If you look at my training log that’s what I am aiming for.

I, too, play rugby to the detriment of my health, so I can relate.

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[quote]Con@n wrote:

[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
I think your idea of strength is retarded. Besides the fact that 315 squat/deadlift for 10 isn’t anything big, your concept that all powerlifters are in poor health is moronic at best. There are some people that just aren’t ever going to be decent runners yet may be much better at other activities.[/quote]

Just jumpin on the bandwagon. I respect your opinion, and I respect loosely, but it’s a bit troubling how you can’t respect others. My standard was relatively low because I didn’t think many people on this site could do that. And I’m still no sure, there just seems to be alot of bitching going on.

I have no concept that all powerlifters are in poor health. How you made that leap of faith is a little more confusing. I was giving an example that they are a class of lifters that would sacrifice many things, including health, for strength. I never used any word of exclusivity or totality that labeled all powerlifters as being in power health.

Recreational powerlifters, which I fall under, don’t sacrifice anything whatsoever for training - we do it because it’s fun. However, there are some within the higher circles, which if you know no example of you live under a rock, that sacrifice everything for a number. Health, family, livelihood, income for the pursuit of 1000lb bench or what have you. I actually admire that, so I excluded anyone that specialized in a task out of more standard, because their dedication is honorable.

FYI, decent runner isn’t the 7 minute mile range.[/quote]

I chose to read your words as is. You generalized powerlifters, so I decided to comment on it. Your example of powerlifters sacrificing everything such as health, family, livelihood and income to purse a very large bench, deadlift, or squat is irrelevant. There are people in all aspects of life, competitive or non competitive that make those same sacrifices. Olympic athletes often sacrifice all of that for the sake of being the best at their respective sports. Professional football players, basketball players, and baseball players often-times do as well yet they happen to make millions of dollars while doing it so very few people question whether or not it was a “good choice”.

Decent = Average in my opinion. I’d consider someone with attributable mass running a 7 minute mile a decent runner. I could of used the example of a rowing machine just the same and your idea of average and my idea of average would be completely different. Average is an accepted norm and I’d say on here, most people would consider 7 minute mile quite average. Go to a marathon runners website and the 7 minute mile would be laughable.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:

You are not strong and you can’t spell. Please reevaluate.

Way to lower the bar, Bron@n.[/quote]

You sure like to make alot of assumptions, I wonder how that has turned out for you in the past. For your education, so we don’t have to end up back at this juncture, I bench 400, squat 600, and deadlift 650. Odds are, your not even close to that, but I won’t make any assumptions. I’ll concede I made a few spelling mistakes, but making such an absolute statement on your part, seems to open up a bit more chance for error.

I don’t get all the “bro” comments. If you are trying to refer to us being brothers, I believe you have made another poorly thought out error.

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[quote]Con@n wrote:
For your education, so we don’t have to end up back at this juncture, I bench 400, squat 600, and deadlift 650.
[/quote]

No. No you don’t.

Vids- I’ll be the first to say “I’m wrong”.

Bench- Maybe
Dead - Maybe
Squat - Skeptical.

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[quote]deat wrote:

[quote]Con@n wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
And I don’t think prehistoric man ‘rehabbed’ either.

He/she either recovered or rotted.

BBB[/quote]

Well you bunch sure like to explore the minutia.

So what, you just pulled that out of your ass to disagree?

rehabilitation - to restore to a condition of good health, ability to work, or the like.

recovery - restoration or return to any former and better state or condition.

I believe they are also synonyms, but what do I know.

reference: dictionary.com[/quote]

Con@n,

I don’t have a problem with you setting up arbitrary standards so everyone can see how gosh darn well rounded you are.

I do have a problem when you come onto a bodybuilding forum and start acting like you know more than veteran members with 10000000000000 times more creditibility and experience than you.

For your information BBB is rehabbing Zack Khan, you probably don’t know who that is, look him up.[/quote]

The dig at my selfworth is fine as long as you can respect my opinion, so truce on that.

I don’t see how this has anything to do with my point. Regardless of credibility and experience you can still be wrong about a definition; and regardless of credibility or experience you can still be a dick. Not saying BBB is a dick, just his statement. Next time I will remember my place.

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Conan, I responded to your post in the picture forum and questioned why you were dieting down. I already know the sports you are into and your goals…but you logged in and completely ran over our own.

How fast I can run a mile is irrelevant. It really doesn’t matter if YOU alone think it is relevant. This isn’t “Conan Building”.

I’ll get on a stair stepper or inclined tread mill way before I worry about running a mile…and that doesn’t take away from my progress in the least.

225lbs on a bench press should be damn near “STEP ONE” when it comes to progress in th gym. Don’t base our goals on the achievements of weekend warriors who aren’t serious.

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[quote]Con@n wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
my sole concern is strength to the detriment of my health. ironically though, i can run a 6 minute mile. [/quote]

That is impressive. If you look at my training log that’s what I am aiming for.

I, too, play rugby to the detriment of my health, so I can relate. [/quote]

i’m a p.e. teacher and three times a year during physical fitness testing i run the mile with the kids to show them that my fat ass can actually move pretty quick. i can still run the four quarter my laps on my track in 6 minutes.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
Dumbest thread ever for so many reasons.

#1) Those lifts aren’t strong. I wouldn’t even consider a 225x10 bench intermediate. Same goes for the other lifts. The goal should be to obtain those lifts within a year or 18 months depending on how strong you are when you start.

#2) How fast you run a mile has nothing to do with strength in the context of a bodybuilding site. Shit, even vertical jump and 40 times would’ve been a little closer but still off the mark. Why you chose mile times is beyond comprehension.

#3) Your comment on injuries shows ignorance. So if I have an injury that prevents me from deadlifting, I should focus all my rehab and efforts to be able to deadlift? Yeah, I’ll think I’ll pass on that an substitute exercises that don’t re-injure my lower back. [/quote]

  1. If 90% of the population can’t do it, at what point does it become “strong”?

  2. I guess I should have been more specific in the title, not to confuse you. I should of said "who is strong and fit according to my arbitrary standards. My bad.

  3. What?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Con@n wrote:

Just jumpin on the bandwagon. I respect your opinion, and I respect loosely, but it’s a bit troubling how you can’t respect others. My standard was relatively low because I didn’t think many people on this site could do that. And I’m still no sure, there just seems to be alot of bitching going on.[/quote]

Dude, you may be right that most who LOG IN may not be able to do that, but we aren’t worried about them. They don’t set the standard for bodybuilding and aren’t the people anyone looks up to.

The weights you posted seem pretty sorry for anyone actually serious enough about this to stand out.

[quote]

I have no concept that all powerlifters are in poor health. How you made that leap of faith is a little more confusing. I was giving an example that they are a class of lifters that would sacrifice many things, including health, for strength. I never used any word of exclusivity or totality that labeled all powerlifters as being in power health. [/quote]

gee, most athletes, period, sacrifice their health for their sport. Do you think football is healthy? Most of those guys can’t even walk well over the age of 45. How is bodybuilding any different?

[quote]

Recreational powerlifters, which I fall under, don’t sacrifice anything whatsoever for training - we do it because it’s fun. However, there are some within the higher circles, which if you know no example of you live under a rock, that sacrifice everything for a number. Health, family, livelihood, income for the pursuit of 1000lb bench or what have you. I actually admire that, so I excluded anyone that specialized in a task out of more standard, because their dedication is honorable.

FYI, decent runner isn’t the 7 minute mile range.[/quote]

But how much someone chooses to sacrifice for what they want is really up to that person alone…and you doubtfully would even know this without knowing them very closely.

I know many “recreational bodybuilders” who are likely on more shit than the pros. I don’t agree with it, but it happens.[/quote]

I can’t argue with you. One, because you were 1 of 3 people that posted on my performance thread and kept my self-esteem afloat haha. Two, you are right, just wanted to see how many people on this site I could compare or relate too. Definately went about it the wrong way.

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[quote]Con@n wrote:

  1. If 90% of the population can’t do it, at what point does it become “strong”?[/quote]

Wait…you mean the current population where more than 60% of them are literally obese or near it? The same population that has filled gym lately only to look the same 3 years later or worse? The same population in my way doing bosu ball triceps kickbacks (yes, I saw this the other day) while I try to T-Bar row?

Dude, no offense, but look around you. If we started using the average sedentary person today as a baseline for serious weight training, we would never make much progress.

WHO CARES ABOUT THE 90% IS THE 90% ARE THAT FUCKING WEAK?

Then we would still be asking why you asked that here when we already have well defined goals and whether or not you can run a mile in less than 7 minutes means little here at all.

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[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:

[quote]Con@n wrote:

[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
I think your idea of strength is retarded. Besides the fact that 315 squat/deadlift for 10 isn’t anything big, your concept that all powerlifters are in poor health is moronic at best. There are some people that just aren’t ever going to be decent runners yet may be much better at other activities.[/quote]

Just jumpin on the bandwagon. I respect your opinion, and I respect loosely, but it’s a bit troubling how you can’t respect others. My standard was relatively low because I didn’t think many people on this site could do that. And I’m still no sure, there just seems to be alot of bitching going on.

I have no concept that all powerlifters are in poor health. How you made that leap of faith is a little more confusing. I was giving an example that they are a class of lifters that would sacrifice many things, including health, for strength. I never used any word of exclusivity or totality that labeled all powerlifters as being in power health.

Recreational powerlifters, which I fall under, don’t sacrifice anything whatsoever for training - we do it because it’s fun. However, there are some within the higher circles, which if you know no example of you live under a rock, that sacrifice everything for a number. Health, family, livelihood, income for the pursuit of 1000lb bench or what have you. I actually admire that, so I excluded anyone that specialized in a task out of more standard, because their dedication is honorable.

FYI, decent runner isn’t the 7 minute mile range.[/quote]

I chose to read your words as is. You generalized powerlifters, so I decided to comment on it. Your example of powerlifters sacrificing everything such as health, family, livelihood and income to purse a very large bench, deadlift, or squat is irrelevant. There are people in all aspects of life, competitive or non competitive that make those same sacrifices. Olympic athletes often sacrifice all of that for the sake of being the best at their respective sports. Professional football players, basketball players, and baseball players often-times do as well yet they happen to make millions of dollars while doing it so very few people question whether or not it was a “good choice”.

Decent = Average in my opinion. I’d consider someone with attributable mass running a 7 minute mile a decent runner. I could of used the example of a rowing machine just the same and your idea of average and my idea of average would be completely different. Average is an accepted norm and I’d say on here, most people would consider 7 minute mile quite average. Go to a marathon runners website and the 7 minute mile would be laughable.[/quote]

I’d say you are just backpedaling here. I used an example, I should have used more examples so I wouldn’t be targeting one group and hurting anyones feelings. I think my lack of examples is irrelevant.

Saying decent = average is liking saying my intermediate standard is average. An average person couldn’t come close to the intermediate standard, and that’s what’s so great about it, because its all relative. Your 7 minute mile marathon reference is exactly my point.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Con@n wrote:
For your education, so we don’t have to end up back at this juncture, I bench 400, squat 600, and deadlift 650.
[/quote]

No. No you don’t.

Vids- I’ll be the first to say “I’m wrong”.

Bench- Maybe
Dead - Maybe
Squat - Skeptical.[/quote]

Just follow my training log; at this exact moment I could hit 405 on bench, 650 on deads, squat I can rep 455 for 10. I’m kind of a bitch when it comes to maxing squat.

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[quote]Con@n wrote:

Saying decent = average is liking saying my intermediate standard is average. An average person couldn’t come close to the intermediate standard, and that’s what’s so great about it, because its all relative. Your 7 minute mile marathon reference is exactly my point.[/quote]

Who cares about “average people”?

Look, 20 years ago, the AVERAGE person working his ass off in the gym was by no means TRULY AVERAGE. They likely had genetics better than most and progressed faster. Yes, they worked hard, but there were no gyms overflowing with fat people and tons of people who don’t even look like they train at all…unlike today.

That is WHY no serious weight lifter gives a rat’s ass how they measure up to flat out sedentary average people.

AVERAGE IN THE GYM does not equal AVERAGE SEDENTARY PERSON WHO CAN’T SQUAT THE BAR.

Your 225lbs bench press IS average…to serious weight lifters who don’t plan on looking average.

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if you were looking to compare your lifts to others on here, i think it would have been better to just post your stats and then asked others to post theirs.

but be warned… it’s expected to post video evidence when posting any numbers.

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[quote]Con@n wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Con@n wrote:
For your education, so we don’t have to end up back at this juncture, I bench 400, squat 600, and deadlift 650.
[/quote]

No. No you don’t.

Vids- I’ll be the first to say “I’m wrong”.

Bench- Maybe
Dead - Maybe
Squat - Skeptical.[/quote]

Just follow my training log; at this exact moment I could hit 405 on bench, 650 on deads, squat I can rep 455 for 10. I’m kind of a bitch when it comes to maxing squat.
[/quote]

Hey, cool log! But, I didn’t see vids of the lifts.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Con@n wrote:

Saying decent = average is liking saying my intermediate standard is average. An average person couldn’t come close to the intermediate standard, and that’s what’s so great about it, because its all relative. Your 7 minute mile marathon reference is exactly my point.[/quote]

Who cares about “average people”?

Look, 20 years ago, the AVERAGE person working his ass off in the gym was by no means TRULY AVERAGE. They likely had genetics better than most and progressed faster. Yes, they worked hard, but there were no gyms overflowing with fat people and tons of people who don’t even look like they train at all…unlike today.

That is WHY no serious weight lifter gives a rat’s ass how they measure up to flat out sedentary average people.

AVERAGE IN THE GYM does not equal AVERAGE SEDENTARY PERSON WHO CAN’T SQUAT THE BAR.

Your 225lbs bench press IS average…to serious weight lifters who don’t plan on looking average.[/quote]

Okay. So if I took the running portion out and balanced the deadlift to 405 by 10. I still have
doubts more than a couple dozen people on this site could do it. That’s the question I was trying to answer. Are the people on this site the same dudes I see at my gym, or actually elite? We all hid behind avatars, and without the so called internet credibility we are nobodies. So I wanted to see everyones real credibility. Made up or not, all I can do is take people at face value, which I am willing to do.