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Alright, here’s what you’ve all been eagerly waiting for, another damned thread on Iraq, Bush and the USA foreign policy.

So these are the fundaments you use justify ilegal invasion of a foreign nation, the deads of thousands of innocents (it’s never enough to stress this one out) and your ilegal capture and torture of terrorism suspects which have not been trialed or charged with anything, which even if they were, would still be an illegal action.

Lies. This dumbass (Bush) is so fucking stupid and dangerous that if you don’t do something about it next year I fear for the world as we know it. When a nation led by a retard is allowed to break most international laws, including the Geneve convention, get away with it and still play the role of the good guys something is seriously fucked up.

And before this degenerates into a flame war might as well open the hostilities myself:

US=NF, I don’t give a shit about whatever you might have to say, feel free to participate but understand that I don’t actually bother to read most of what you post.

Restless, leading US=GG list of bad guys since Diesel started becoming entertained by the killing of innocent people.

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be careful…we’re coming for you next

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uh…I’m so scared. You brave macho mans are coming to kill my unarmed wife and kids with your billions of dollars of military equipment, is that it?

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of course not, how could us dumb Americans ever take on a country full of superior humans such as yours…

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"of course not, how could us dumb Americans ever take on a country full of superior humans such as yours… "

That’s true. You couldn’t even find it in a map…

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so it is agreed, you are in no danger…ps im glad you dont actually bother to read the posts…:wink:

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It was one goddamn thing he said in one fucking speech he gave out of a thousand speeches and a thousand things he said. You are the idiot restless. You make no valid points on anything you ever have to say. Where were the questions when Clinton blew up an aspirin factory? Where were the questions when Clinton sent cruise missiles into Iraq? Where were the questions when democrats like Gephardt and Kerry in 98, said that Saddam had been given too much time and all the evidence was there that he had WMD’s? Why dont you admit that this is all political and if Bill Clinton had been president and done the same thing, you would have been all for it.

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restless,
Please take medication. I worry about you when the election results come in November 2004. Have a nice day.

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Yes, thank you so much for posting yet again on this beaten-to-death subject.

You know, you used to post quite intelligently on a whole host of training-related topics. Now you’re exclusively over here ranting against Bush, the Iraq deal, everything except training. If you really feel this strongly about things, go find a political board and post on it. It should be obvious to you by now that no one is changing anyone else’s mind about any of this, and all of you people who get so worked up about this sort of thing are wasting your time.

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Goldberg,

Right. Besides, when did the state of the union address become so important? Not to mention the fact that he cited British intelligence in his speech, not the stuff that was discredited. And like you said, the WOMD was only one thing…there were tons of other reasons.

People also seem to ignore the cries of joy that many people have, and the booming economy because of no Sadam. They ignore that, but report every day on all the things that are going wrong. What about the things that are going right?

Maybe relentless doesn’t like the people Sadam was killing. Just more of that crazy shit where one group hates a nother with a passion for no real reason.

Shithead democrats are trying to discredit what the soldiers, the heroes, did. For what? For election purposes? what the hell

Neil

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Wait, what other dictator did the US not want to get involved with?

People like Relentless probably would have wanted us to leave Hitler alone, too…

Neil

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"Where were the questions when Clinton blew up an aspirin factory? Where were the questions when Clinton sent cruise missiles into Iraq? "

Well, if Clinton was still President we would be talking about Clinton, but because Bush is President, lets talk about Bush, shall we? I know the idea of scrutinizing Bush makes some people so uncomfortable that they can’t bear it, and must change the subject to Clinton, but let’s try to deal with the here and now, okay?

First of all, the State of the Union address is the most important speech that the President gives, and is an account of where America is at, a report card to the taxpayers if you will. So to include information that is false (and will be proven that it was known to be false) is not some minor slip of the tongue.

The President LIED. Was he the origin of the lie? No, but he repeated a lie. That makes him a liar. He can try to pass it off on bad intelligence, but he said it. This is a speach that is worked on for months in advance, not something he throws together the night before. The CIA advised them to lose that Africa claim, and someone in the White House weasled it back in.

Also, this Niger-Uranium lie is not the only lie told by the Bush White House:

-Donald Rumsefeld claimed on Meet the Press that HE KNEW exactly where to find the WMDs a few days before the invasion.

-Condoleeza Rice claimed that Iraq’s aluminum tubes were specifically intended for creating WMDs, which is false. They can’t be used for creating WMDs.

-The two trailers which supposedly are bio-weapons labs. False.

-The staged rescue of Private Lynch was phoney.

-The toppling of the Saddam statue by “throngs of Iraqis” was staged for US television, and only a few dozen Iraqi misfits were there, not even a couple of hundred.

-That the post-attack costs would be 2 billion per month… they are DOUBLE that.

-That the Iraqis would welcome us with open arms.

-That Saddam has some of the “most lethal WMDs” known to man, according to Bush. The most lethal WMDs are nukes, and nobody claims that Saddam had nukes now that we are in Iraq. The idea that Iraq might have actually had a nuke is laughable now.

I know what the responses will be, Saddam is a bad guy and the woirld is a better place without him. I agree! What I don’t agree with and never agreed with is the US rushing to invade Iraq in violation of international law, in defiance of the UN security council’s wishes, without support from a broad range of allies (and I don’t mean Tahiti). The Iraq invasion was planned YEARS before 9-11 by members of the current Defense Department, in fact they were proposing an attack on Iraq before Bush was even elected (the Project for the New American Century, look it up, it is all right there on their web site).

Now this has turned into a partisan issue somehow, where criticizing the president for lying is what Democrats do, and defending the president against any criticism even when it is warranted is what Republicans do. SICK!!! Who the hell can justify misleading Congress and the US citizens?

(Except Fox News commentator Ollie North, who lied to Congress under oath, about the arms smuggling during the Iran-Contra affair. How the hell can Fox put him on the air?)

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It’s not so much the killing of civilians as it is he killing of terrorists and US enemies that makes us thrive.

Not that you’d care but thought you might like to know the goal is to actually track down the TERRORISTS and US THREATS, not the civilians. Yeah I know, big disappointment huh?

This threat is just asking for trouble. This very topic was debated to death already. I know where you stand, you know where I stand. We know where everybody stands. I know who IM voting for, You know you you’re voting for.

If you must talk about IRAQ, make sure its at least a slightly different topic.

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I apologize for that bit of looking backwards, and referring to Ollie North. I wish he would have stayed in the past, though.

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oh wow, I guess it’s wrong for a war to be unpredictable. People now expect everything to be 100% predictable, and if not, god help the people that made the predictions.

Bush cited British intelligence that was NOT discredited.

The state of the union address doesn’t mean shit, so stop making a big deal about it.

Guess who else deceived people? Einstein said Hitler was looking to get nukes. He never did. Did that mean we should sat on our asses until he DID? I guess what’s what we should have done with Sadam.

Who the fuck is stupid enough to think that we are going to find WMD immediately? Do you know how hard it is to find things that are well hidden? We might NEVER find things unless someone shows where it is. Godamn democrats started crying when we didn’t imemdiately find anything. The said “oh, look, we didn’t find anything in the last two days, BUSH DECEIVED US.”

Let’s just sit around and let those assholes in the middle east do whatever they want.

And did you forget about September 11th? Are you one of those people who were protesting any war after we were attacked in the worst way to date? We should just sit on our asses and let some crazy assholes push us around, I guess. Afterall, it wouldn’t be humane to strike back.

Guess what, violence solves problems. War solves problems. Not always, but it does. Look at Japan. Whe whooped their asses and then helped them out and they’re doing well. Same with Germany as someone else already mentioned.

Neil

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Oh my god, i agree with NeilG. Maybe there is hope for him.

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He reported someone else’s intelligence information in a freaking speech. It was 16 words among 6 months of buildup. It wasn’t under oath, like Clinton’s bullshit. Goddamn. I’m so glad I was born in America. I’m so glad we are the dominant power in the world. I don’t give a damn about international law. All I care about is that Saddam will never be able to attack us or help anyone else attack us. If that pisses off anyone anywhere else in the world, I don’t give a fuck. When I tuck in my kids at night, I feel safer than I did in February.

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“oh wow, I guess it’s wrong for a war to be unpredictable”
That’s right & that’s why sane people don’t go to war for no reason.

“The state of the union address doesn’t mean shit, so stop making a big deal about it.”
Again correct. The countries of the Axis of Evil certainly aren’t an axis. Iran & Iraq were at war for 8yrs & North Korea was just thrown in to make it look as if they weren’t just going after Muslims.

“Who the fuck is stupid enough to think that we are going to find WMD immediately?”
Well that doesn’t matter. The proof has to come first. They can’t invade & take over Iraq to find the evidence they need to take over Iraq, you’ve got it backwards.

“And did you forget about September 11th? Are you one of those people who were protesting any war after we were attacked in the worst way to date? We should just sit on our asses and let some crazy assholes push us around, I guess. Afterall, it wouldn’t be humane to strike back.”
Maybe you should all try to figure out why someone would want to do that in the 1st place. Maybe it had something to do with the USA & USSR causing Islamic extremism in the 80s & the USA escalating it to the jihadi ideology. Maybe you guys got a taste of your own medicine.

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“Maybe you should all try to figure out why someone would want to do that in the 1st place. Maybe it had something to do with the USA & USSR causing Islamic extremism in the 80s & the USA escalating it to the jihadi ideology. Maybe you guys got a taste of your own medicine.”

Hahahahahahaha. That is the biggest piece of crap I have ever heard in my life. Hey, say you had a wife and you loved her dearly. She was a wonderful woman, and one day when she’s out at work, she randomly gets killed by someone. How would you feel if I started telling you that maybe it was her fault and she had it comming. Afterall, people don’t ever do things randomly because they’re crazy.

You’d be pissed as hell. If not, then it shows your mentallity.

And I don’t want to hear about that whole USSR thing. We’re damned if we do, damned if we don’t, so I don’t want to hear that arguement.

I doubt many of those people would be the way they were if they actually had a life where they could actually achieve something, but instead the country is poor due to assholes running the place. Those people wouldn’t want you to hear about the people that came over here hating America, but started to like it because they could actually do something with their life.

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"Maybe it had something to do with the USA & USSR causing Islamic extremism in the 80s & the USA escalating it to the jihadi ideology. Maybe you guys got a taste of your own medicine. "

Unfortunately it didn’t seem to be enough.