Skipping Breakfast is the Way to Go? WTF

Professor_X · August 5, 2010, 10:50pm

[quote]DieselAllDay wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DieselAllDay wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Where are the big muscles at? Would all of the guys who gained 50+lbs of lean body mass doing this raise their hand?[/quote]
I don’t think anyone has argued that they should skip breakfast when gaining. Just a short-term thing when trying to lose some fat.[/quote]

I skip breakfast when gaining, people who are suggesting carb-back loading is a fatloss program are in correct, its a bulking program… maybe not bulking, but as much Muscle gain WITHOUT gaining as much additional fat as possible. Again, I wouldn’t use this type of program if I was a geared lifter, or a “hard gainer”, but there are plenty of sources and research studies linked on kiefer’s site, showing exactly why this approach is optimum and showing why ‘big breakfasts AND/OR most of your food early in the day’ premotes a worse body composition. By the way… “a big breakfast” only makes you feel better, if you don’t sufficiently carb-load the night before, I’ve guinea-pigged it, otherwise it just makes you fat, although Chad Waterbury suggests the big breakfast approach, so… maybe i’m totally wrong. [/quote]

You aren’t very big. Have you considered that you are just flat out not doing it right and your lack of breakfast may actually be holding you back?

If people are doing this for muscle gain…and NOT getting really big from it…you blame lack of steroids for that?[/quote]

I didn’t blame lack of steroids for anything, merely suggested this wouldnt be an optimal diet if you were a geared weight lifter (in my opinion). Im 210 lbs at around 8-9% BF, im likely you minus 70 lbs of fat. I know you’re all about the GET BIG, FUCK LOW BODY FAT ABERCOMRBIE FAGGOTS, but lets face it dude, you aint no 20 year old spring chicken, you’re 33 and still a fat ass, don’t you ever wanne actually look good?

Now everyone can go and flame me, cuz i know everyones got your exalted testicles in their mouth, but those are the facts.
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What the hell? Dude, my lean body mass alone is more than you weigh…and I am only 5’10". I’ve seen your pics. You are nowhere near my size and you are also nowhere near CONTEST SHAPE meaning you yourself would have to drop well under 190 to even compete…yet you think we’re the same with the difference being fat on my part?

You were serious?

Did you gain 30lbs or something since those shots in your profile or are you really that delusional?

Professor_X · August 5, 2010, 10:51pm

[quote]BigJackedBro wrote:

[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
I’m amazed by what some of you guys consider “fat”. You must go into fits every time you leave the house and see the general public.[/quote]

Bodybuilding is about building a physique that is amazing by the highest of standards. If we let the general public set the standard, we would have some mediocre bodybuilders. [/quote]

That wasn’t her point. I’m not fat yet fuckers on this site who are extremely average by gym rat standards love acting like I am obese. If you think I look like the “general public” in any way, then yes, I would agree with her, some of you are a little off.

Professor_X · August 5, 2010, 10:53pm

[quote]Registered4Grow wrote:
Hey everyone,

I rarely feel the need to post…but I have experimented with intermittent fasting recently (often skipping breakfast) and I felt I should chime in and (hopefully) dissuade any of you from wasting your time.

I practiced IF, in the morning, for about 4 months (always was I sure to “make up” the calories later in the day). And the only noticable effect was that I had a deflated back and shoulders. There was no change in my bodyfat. At the very beginning I noticed an increase in energy, but in hindsight this was probably due to the stress response of suddenly going without food in the morning.

As to the article linked by the OP, I agree that it could be the case that skipping breakfast/eating minimally is beneficial for those interested in primarily health, attention, or fat loss (although I think that’s a misleading dichotomy: bodybuilders are healthier, more attentive, and have less bodyfat than most groups). But it’s a bad idea for bodybuilders or those focused on increasing muscle mass.

I suppose some of you could try to make up the caloric deficit at different times but at least take this post as one piece of evidence (albeit anecdotal) that such a strategy won’t help much…and as far as I can see (as mentioned by Professor X) there are few people making substantial progress who have adopted this strategy.

Best,
-David[/quote]

Good post…and that was the question I asked…who is getting huge by doing this. All I got was crickets and some little dude telling me he carries the same size we just can’t see it.

MarvelGirl · August 5, 2010, 10:58pm

[quote]BigJackedBro wrote:

[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
I’m amazed by what some of you guys consider “fat”. You must go into fits every time you leave the house and see the general public.[/quote]

Bodybuilding is about building a physique that is amazing by the highest of standards. If we let the general public set the standard, we would have some mediocre bodybuilders. [/quote]

Congratulations, you totally missed my point. I’m sorry Lee Priest is such a huge disappointment to you as a bodybuilder. I’m sure that he cries himself to sleep every night because some of the guys on this thread (who haven’t accomplished half as much as he has in this sport) think he’s mediocre and a fat neckbeard.

Professor_X · August 5, 2010, 11:10pm

http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/9/f/9f561_ORIG-diesal.jpg

OK, well, according to some, this is apparently what I will look like after 15 years of serious weight lifting if I drop 70lbs.

I suppose it doesn’t matter that I was more built than this back when I weighed the same as this guy.

yes, Diesel, maybe you do need to change your approach. Why get pissed because someone with more experience than you points that out?

DieselAllDay · August 5, 2010, 11:51pm

You found a picture in my profile from 2 years ago. I’ve obviously made plenty of progress since then, but even if I hadn’t, I doubt you would be much bigger, considering you wouldn’t be losing pure fat mass. Although unreliable, if I use strength to judge differences, of all that i’ve seen (videos), or read, your numbers are the same as mine, varying slightly all at a much higher body weight. Just saying… you look like a powerlifter, but have the lift numbers of bodybuilder. No offense…

Professor_X · August 5, 2010, 11:57pm

[quote]DieselAllDay wrote:
You found a picture in my profile from 2 years ago. I’ve obviously made plenty of progress since then, but even if I hadn’t, I doubt you would be much bigger, considering you wouldn’t be losing pure fat mass. Although unreliable, if I use strength to judge differences, of all that i’ve seen (videos), or read, your numbers are the same as mine, varying slightly all at a much higher body weight. Just saying… you look like a powerlifter, but have the lift numbers of bodybuilder. No offense…[/quote]

?? The only numbers I have ever even posted here are a 95lbs dumbbell curl, 540lbs on the HS flat press machine and how many plates I use on a squat machine. That’s it. EVER. So, you are curling 100lbs dumbbells in each hand and moving close to or over 600lbs on that machine for chest?

Please posts pics of this amazing transformation of yours and video of you moving more weight than anyone I’ve seen post here on those exercises.

My pics are in my profile.

WestCoast7 · August 6, 2010, 12:03am

Love it. Putting the testosterone in T-Nation.

DieselAllDay · August 6, 2010, 12:07am

ill have that HS flatbench video for ya soon,(10plates x8) CUZ I WANT TO, NOT CUZ UR TELLING ME TO, but seriously… fatty, but probably within 1-2days, hold your breath

Professor_X · August 6, 2010, 12:10am

[quote]DieselAllDay wrote:
ill have that HS flatbench video for ya soon,(10plates x8) CUZ I WANT TO, NOT CUZ UR TELLING ME TO, but seriously… fatty, but probably within 1-2days, hold your breath[/quote]

Dude, I couldn’t care less about you or your progress. You are just funny to me at the moment. You looked a little sickly in that “two year old pic”. I hope you are better now.

DieselAllDay · August 6, 2010, 12:20am

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DieselAllDay wrote:
ill have that HS flatbench video for ya soon,(10plates x8) CUZ I WANT TO, NOT CUZ UR TELLING ME TO, but seriously… fatty, but probably within 1-2days, hold your breath[/quote]

Dude, I couldn’t care less about you or your progress. You are just funny to me at the moment. You looked a little sickly in that “two year old pic”. I hope you are better now.[/quote]

Guttits, now now now, i thought we were having some friendly competition, as far as that goes, im not exactly sure what a squat machine really even is, i think my moms gym has one, so maybe ill do a drop in and check it out. and p.s that weight isn’t “progress” its just what you call a PR.

PB_Andy · August 6, 2010, 3:00am

Man this thread went off.

I will say that I have 3 meals in the day, excluding Anaconda Protocol 2. If I have 4 or 5 meals that are slightly smaller, I noticed no difference in the mirror. Purely empirical but I agree that it comes down to energy intake, so for that reason I don’t think delaying breakfast for 2 more hours will have that much effect.

If you think about it, when bodybuilders are peaking for a show, they naturally delay breakfast 90 or so mins. They usually do cardio first thing the morning, no? And then by the time they are done with that and ready to eat, it has been 75-90 minutes since they woke up.

Cheeky_Kea · August 6, 2010, 5:58am

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Where are the big muscles at? Would all of the guys who gained 50+lbs of lean body mass doing this raise their hand?[/quote]

Where are the big muscles at? Siphoning off the oxygen to your brain possibly.

Would all of the guys who misconstrued this as a serious bulking plan rather than a fat loss strategy for the percentage of the population it suits, please raise their hand?

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The question still stands when the goal is losing body fat but holding onto more muscle mass. As it pertains to people who stand out when they walk in a room, why would this be suitable for anyone but those hovering below 200lbs?

Even when dieting, there is no way in hell I could eat enough to maintain muscle mass by skipping whole meals.

If this is some “works for guys who like the word “tone”” scheme for dieting or those who want to look like Abercrombie models, let’s just say so.[/quote]

Guy, you shifted the goal-posts on that goal. We went from gaining 50+lbs of LBM to retaining muscle mass while dieting in a flash.
Two quite different things.
Where did you read or who told you that this was a suitible bulking or dieting plan for someone your size?

Speaking of crusades…aren’t you normally ranting in the BB forum where you are quite rightly an authority and can chastise small people righteously?
Why did you choose to start a crusade in another part of the site against people who don’t hold the same physique ideals as you? people smaller than you?

And still, why do think this is a strategy for gaining 50+lbs of LBM? the authour of IF certainly doesn’t make that assertion…did someone on this site?

I like your sarcasm “works for guys who like the word “tone”” referring to the percentage of the population this might appeal to, very funny.

I agree though, I hate the word “tone” but I love the word “shredded”
I also like the word athletic, and there are many athletes walking aorund at 200lbs or there abouts with low body fat that I admire, and who stand out when walking into a room and aren’t merely “toned”.

Professor_X · August 6, 2010, 6:18am

[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Where are the big muscles at? Would all of the guys who gained 50+lbs of lean body mass doing this raise their hand?[/quote]

Where are the big muscles at? Siphoning off the oxygen to your brain possibly.

Would all of the guys who misconstrued this as a serious bulking plan rather than a fat loss strategy for the percentage of the population it suits, please raise their hand?

[/quote]

The question still stands when the goal is losing body fat but holding onto more muscle mass. As it pertains to people who stand out when they walk in a room, why would this be suitable for anyone but those hovering below 200lbs?

Even when dieting, there is no way in hell I could eat enough to maintain muscle mass by skipping whole meals.

If this is some “works for guys who like the word “tone”” scheme for dieting or those who want to look like Abercrombie models, let’s just say so.[/quote]

Guy, you shifted the goal-posts on that goal. We went from gaining 50+lbs of LBM to retaining muscle mass while dieting in a flash.
Two quite different things.
Where did you read or who told you that this was a suitible bulking or dieting plan for someone your size?
Speaking of crusades…aren’t you normally ranting in the BB forum where you are quite rightly an authority and can chastise small people righteously?
Why did you choose to start a crusade in another part of the site against people who don’t hold the same physique ideals as you? people smaller than you?

And still, why do think this is a strategy for gaining 50+lbs of LBM? the authour of IF certainly doesn’t make that assertion…did someone on this site?

I like your sarcasm “works for guys who like the word “tone”” referring to the percentage of the population this might appeal to, very funny.

I agree though, I hate the word “tone” but I love the word “shredded”
I also like the word athletic, and there are many athletes walking aorund at 200lbs or there abouts with low body fat that I admire, and who stand out when walking into a room and aren’t merely “toned”. [/quote]

What? There are guys in this thread discussing this for muscle gain. “Registered4Grow” just made a whole post about it…yet no one is discussing it according to you?

All I did was make the distinction…that this does NOT seem suitable for anyone with a goal of really standing out in terms of muscle mass gained (THIS INCLUDES THOSE DIETING WHILE CARRYING LARGE AMOUNTS OF MUSCLE). You just confirmed that…all while making a post as if I shouldn’t be making the distinction.

Everyone in this thread is NOT just talking about fat loss. Maybe you need to quit jumping forward to berate whatever I type and possibly respond to posters like the one I mentioned.

mmajic · August 6, 2010, 7:34am

i dont know why there sre such extreme views…try it out for yourself…if your happy with your current progress dont. Some people, especialy busy people will find this works well…for a while. My personal experince with fasting is during Ramadan…im fasting from 5am till 7pm, so my eating window is narrow and my workouts are 3 times per week.

Even after ramadan it would take me a few weeks to phase in breakfast and start eating bigger meals…but you know what i ‘felt good’ i had better energy.

For those with rigid lifestyles: if it aint broke?

Cheeky_Kea · August 6, 2010, 10:12am