Skipping Breakfast is the Way to Go? WTF

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[quote]DieselAllDay wrote:
You found a picture in my profile from 2 years ago. I’ve obviously made plenty of progress since then, but even if I hadn’t, I doubt you would be much bigger, considering you wouldn’t be losing pure fat mass. [/quote]

You should put up some current pics then dude - because if you honestly think that X is “you minus 70 pounds of fat” you’re really delusional. I mean, unless you put on about 50 lbs of lean mass since that pic, the guy wrecks you muscularity wise. Anyone can see that.

Now, if you were talking about ME, then you’d be closer to the truth. Once I finish dieting down I don’t expect to be much more than 220 or so, but as far as X goes - you should stop now, because you’re seriously just making yourself look supremely stupid.

And before anyone starts calling me an X nuthugger - not true. We don’t even get along all that well. But facts are facts, and saying X is the same size LBM-wise as you is just insanity.

Unless you post up a new pic and prove me wrong, there’s no fucking way. Not even close.

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For what it’s worth, I’ve been doing this for about a month now and am getting leaner while maintaining my bodyweight and eating foods that most people wouldn’t walk by in the supermarket if their goal had “abs” in it. I’ve also made noticeable improvements to my back during the timeframe that I’ve been following Martin’s protocols.

Really, if you look at this, it’s not terribly different from the Anaconda protocol. With the original Anaconda protocol, you were consuming something like 1500 calories in the time frame around your workouts, and this is not much different than what I am doing.

0800-0900: wake up (self employed, FTW), have a sugar free energy drink, some coffee, or a pepsi max.
1200: first meal (training days: 75g protein, 40g carbohydrate, 20g fat, off days: 100g protein, 10g (trace) carbohydrtes, 25-30g fat)
1500: second meal (same composition as the first meal)
1600-1800: train (usually have 1 or 2 24oz bottles of powerade zero mixed with beta alanine and creatine)
1830-2000: Post workout meal (on off days, this is a duplicate of meals 1 and 2)

I usually aim for between 1500 and 2000 calories post workout. Recent examples have been spaghetti with meat sauce, jambalaya, pizza, Olive Garden, fish tacos, and homefries with grilled chicken- all in indecent quantities. This usually ends up being in the neighborhood of 100+g of protein, 200g carbs, and 30-40g fat. Obviously I don’t nail my macros down EVERY day with this meal, as this is where I have my cheat meals, but I usually try to keep it in line with those numbers. I usually end the day with 1-2 cups of cottage cheese mixed with berries, as I have noticed that it takes me far longer to get hungry the next morning if I have the cottage cheese as opposed to more meat and carbs.

For me, this is an incredibly easy way to eat. I like to eat BIG, and eating this way let’s me do so several times per week while still improving my body composition.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:
For what it’s worth, I’ve been doing this for about a month now and am getting leaner while maintaining my bodyweight and eating foods that most people wouldn’t walk by in the supermarket if their goal had “abs” in it. I’ve also made noticeable improvements to my back during the timeframe that I’ve been following Martin’s protocols.

Really, if you look at this, it’s not terribly different from the Anaconda protocol. With the original Anaconda protocol, you were consuming something like 1500 calories in the time frame around your workouts, and this is not much different than what I am doing.

0800-0900: wake up (self employed, FTW), have a sugar free energy drink, some coffee, or a pepsi max.
1200: first meal (training days: 75g protein, 40g carbohydrate, 20g fat, off days: 100g protein, 10g (trace) carbohydrtes, 25-30g fat)
1500: second meal (same composition as the first meal)
1600-1800: train (usually have 1 or 2 24oz bottles of powerade zero mixed with beta alanine and creatine)
1830-2000: Post workout meal (on off days, this is a duplicate of meals 1 and 2)

I usually aim for between 1500 and 2000 calories post workout. Recent examples have been spaghetti with meat sauce, jambalaya, pizza, Olive Garden, fish tacos, and homefries with grilled chicken- all in indecent quantities. This usually ends up being in the neighborhood of 100+g of protein, 200g carbs, and 30-40g fat. Obviously I don’t nail my macros down EVERY day with this meal, as this is where I have my cheat meals, but I usually try to keep it in line with those numbers. I usually end the day with 1-2 cups of cottage cheese mixed with berries, as I have noticed that it takes me far longer to get hungry the next morning if I have the cottage cheese as opposed to more meat and carbs.

For me, this is an incredibly easy way to eat. I like to eat BIG, and eating this way let’s me do so several times per week while still improving my body composition.[/quote]

The whole idea of bigger meals on this is what appealed to me also. With all macros and cals the same I find 5-6 smaller meals to be slow torture while trying to lose fat, I’d rather push away from the table feeling like Joey Chestnut after a hot-dog eating contest.

Fish taco’s are ok on this? Good to hear because I want to be able to return the favor if a girl goes down on me.

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]DieselAllDay wrote:
You found a picture in my profile from 2 years ago. I’ve obviously made plenty of progress since then, but even if I hadn’t, I doubt you would be much bigger, considering you wouldn’t be losing pure fat mass. [/quote]

You should put up some current pics then dude - because if you honestly think that X is “you minus 70 pounds of fat” you’re really delusional. I mean, unless you put on about 50 lbs of lean mass since that pic, the guy wrecks you muscularity wise. Anyone can see that.

Now, if you were talking about ME, then you’d be closer to the truth. Once I finish dieting down I don’t expect to be much more than 220 or so, but as far as X goes - you should stop now, because you’re seriously just making yourself look supremely stupid.

And before anyone starts calling me an X nuthugger - not true. We don’t even get along all that well. But facts are facts, and saying X is the same size LBM-wise as you is just insanity.

Unless you post up a new pic and prove me wrong, there’s no fucking way. Not even close. [/quote]

x2 on putting up recent pics.

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(munching low carb popcorn with ms dash imitation salt topping)

Damn these threads can be entertaining. It’s in instances such as this, where I really have to agree with PX’s thinking about people spouting off but never actually backing things up with pics or vids. Normally I don’t care either way, but thinking that PX would look the same as him if he shed a few (70?!) lbs is just stupid, and doesn’t exactly help as far as demonstrating his knowledge of training.

S

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The kid is 20 years old, think about how dumb you were at 20

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and 24.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
The kid is 20 years old, think about how dumb you were at 20[/quote]

I wasn’t. At 20 I was damn near about to graduate from college.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
The kid is 20 years old, think about how dumb you were at 20[/quote]

I wasn’t. At 20 I was damn near about to graduate from college. [/quote]

C’mon dude. There’s a difference between knowledge and wisdom. If you had as level as head then as you do now then you were something special. Besides, life wouldn’t have been anywhere near as fun without making those kind of mistakes that only a 20yr old makes.

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[quote]BrentGoose wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
The kid is 20 years old, think about how dumb you were at 20[/quote]

I wasn’t. At 20 I was damn near about to graduate from college. [/quote]

C’mon dude. There’s a difference between knowledge and wisdom. If you had as level as head then as you do now then you were something special. Besides, life wouldn’t have been anywhere near as fun without making those kind of mistakes that only a 20yr old makes.[/quote]

I didn’t think on the level many of these guys seem to. If that is now “special” so be it, but not once was I challenging people with way more experience and results than me like some of these jackasses are. Hell, I was posting on this site regularly by 21 or 22 so it’s not like you couldn’t look back to see where my head was at. Most here thought I was much older when I first started posting.

These fuckers are too dumb to know when to shut the fuck up and listen.

Maybe some of you are just not that quick.

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what is this thread about again???

i shouldnt have jumped from the first page to the 6th…

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[quote]BARDUKE wrote:
what is this thread about again???

i shouldnt have jumped from the first page to the 6th…[/quote]

This, but with the races reversed. . . and the ages are a bit off… But other than that, this is essentially what you have missed. A beat down.

http://www.break.com/usercontent/2010/2/18/bus-fight-w-black-guy-vs-67-year-old-white-man-1742222

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
The kid is 20 years old, think about how dumb you were at 20[/quote]

He is also an admitted troll. Find the thread where he is shitting on Nikki & attdeb for no reason, he owns up to it.

Not that it is obvious.

There will be no video, and I doubt those pics are even his at this point.

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[quote]Nards wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DieselAllDay wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DieselAllDay wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Where are the big muscles at? Would all of the guys who gained 50+lbs of lean body mass doing this raise their hand?[/quote]
I don’t think anyone has argued that they should skip breakfast when gaining. Just a short-term thing when trying to lose some fat.[/quote]

I skip breakfast when gaining, people who are suggesting carb-back loading is a fatloss program are in correct, its a bulking program… maybe not bulking, but as much Muscle gain WITHOUT gaining as much additional fat as possible. Again, I wouldn’t use this type of program if I was a geared lifter, or a “hard gainer”, but there are plenty of sources and research studies linked on kiefer’s site, showing exactly why this approach is optimum and showing why ‘big breakfasts AND/OR most of your food early in the day’ premotes a worse body composition. By the way… “a big breakfast” only makes you feel better, if you don’t sufficiently carb-load the night before, I’ve guinea-pigged it, otherwise it just makes you fat, although Chad Waterbury suggests the big breakfast approach, so… maybe i’m totally wrong. [/quote]

You aren’t very big. Have you considered that you are just flat out not doing it right and your lack of breakfast may actually be holding you back?

If people are doing this for muscle gain…and NOT getting really big from it…you blame lack of steroids for that?[/quote]

I didn’t blame lack of steroids for anything, merely suggested this wouldnt be an optimal diet if you were a geared weight lifter (in my opinion). Im 210 lbs at around 8-9% BF, im likely you minus 70 lbs of fat. I know you’re all about the GET BIG, FUCK LOW BODY FAT ABERCOMRBIE FAGGOTS, but lets face it dude, you aint no 20 year old spring chicken, you’re 33 and still a fat ass, don’t you ever wanne actually look good?

Now everyone can go and flame me, cuz i know everyones got your exalted testicles in their mouth, but those are the facts.
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What the hell? Dude, my lean body mass alone is more than you weigh…and I am only 5’10". I’ve seen your pics. You are nowhere near my size and you are also nowhere near CONTEST SHAPE meaning you yourself would have to drop well under 190 to even compete…yet you think we’re the same with the difference being fat on my part?

You were serious?

Did you gain 30lbs or something since those shots in your profile or are you really that delusional?[/quote]

This post deserves this kind of treatment!:
http://www.starwars.com/games/playnow/crawl_creator/index.jsp?cs=xqwrzedura
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The words took on much more seriousness on a receding angle like that. :slight_smile:

Even though I have been arguing with x, calling him fat is obviously fuckin’ pathetic.

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[/quote]

The words took on much more seriousness on a receding angle like that. :slight_smile:

Even though I have been arguing with x, calling him fat is obviously fuckin’ pathetic.
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he is fat… how can you possibly deny it, if you can’t tell by his pics then consider that he’s like what over 260-270 sub 300, with the lifting numbers of someone way smaller. His attitude suggests he thinks he is the next Kai Greene or some shit…all of you hug nut like crazy, I’m not saying he doesn’t have more experience than me, he’s been lifting since I was 5 years old, but a fat guy is a fat guy, end of story. I said gimme a couple days on pics etc, i have no camera yet, but they’ll be here…besides my original retort to him calling me small, wasn’t even saying how freakin jacked I am, but really how can some fat guy call me small, no shit i’m not that heavy, im also not a baby beluga whale.

That is one jacked ass squirrel…^^^^

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I’m not sure why I am going to do this, but I guess I’ll post my experiences with IF this summer. (If you want to read, go right ahead; if you are more interested in seeing a troll who seems to only have 2 pictures in his profile which I can swear were taken from other sources on the internet then just ignore me)

Over the past 3 months I have gone from approximately 195 (at around 10-12% BF) to 205 (roughly the same body fat percentage) on an IF system of eating.

I would wake at 4 am so I can do some incline walking before I drive off to my job in a warehouse (labour job) until 3pm; I exercised from 3:30-5 weekdays. My meals were lunch at noon (typically about a pound of meat and some veggies) and dinner (same thing). My workout nutrition consisted of 2L of my protein shake of 1000kcal whey/glucose. (The really cheap man’s anaconda protocol, now with digestive enzymes!)

So aside from the time distribution, I was still consuming a lot of calories. Fridays were even a bit lower carb during my workout ( -300kcal ) so I could really sweat during my carb reload on saturdays. Even during intermittent fasting I could still consume well over 8000kcal a day, about 60-70% carbohydrates. (I credit these days mostly to my size gains).

So take it FWIW, there was muscular gain, but still not enough for me to claim that it is better than just straight up eating.

Finally, for those who have done IF, can you guys post your diets? I wish to know whether these ‘gains’ and my mad mad insulin spike (Also 10g Leucine in said shake) during my workout are correlated in a way. Maybe no insulin spike at all = bad fasting experience?

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Damn dude, nothing to eat for 8 hours. IMO that’s too long and your gains could have been better.

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Once we start throwing around fat in the purely pejorative way and not the more helpful way ( like saying “Nards, you like alright but could stand to drop 15lbs of pure fat” etc.) then you start to sound like a girl in high school.

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:
Damn dude, nothing to eat for 8 hours. IMO that’s too long and your gains could have been better.[/quote]

That’s the problem I face; I did get gains, but what could my gains have been?

Comparing what happened this summer with how my body has reacted in the past, it seems that as long as the food does get ingested and workout nutrition is still plentiful then my body seems to grow at a steady rate. (More meals a day, in the past, have not been too much different from what I did recently; in regards to lean mass)

The one thing I did notice is that it is harder for me to put on fat, and during my fast I expend heat like a mother fucker (I have drenched a shirt and created that little sweat-heart when the fasting’s heat expenditure has combined with my post-lunch meat sweats).

Also, I now have a greater appreciation for how hard to it to lose muscle with proper workout nutrition. Bro-science would have told me that doing some steady-state cardio with nothing but leucine, then not eating for 8 hours at a labour job results in cachexia. Yet I gained…

Who’d a thunk it?

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
The kid is 20 years old, think about how dumb you were at 20[/quote]

Dumb is not an age-dependent variable; stupid people are always stupid.