[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
I would die, and so would others around me, if I had to skip breakfast. Skipping breakfast falls under the “not cool” category for me.[/quote]
What is cool is your story.
[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Where are the big muscles at? Would all of the guys who gained 50+lbs of lean body mass doing this raise their hand?[/quote]
Where are the big muscles at? Siphoning off the oxygen to your brain possibly.
Would all of the guys who misconstrued this as a serious bulking plan rather than a fat loss strategy for the percentage of the population it suits, please raise their hand?
[/quote]
The question still stands when the goal is losing body fat but holding onto more muscle mass. As it pertains to people who stand out when they walk in a room, why would this be suitable for anyone but those hovering below 200lbs?
Even when dieting, there is no way in hell I could eat enough to maintain muscle mass by skipping whole meals.
If this is some “works for guys who like the word “tone”” scheme for dieting or those who want to look like Abercrombie models, let’s just say so.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Where are the big muscles at? Would all of the guys who gained 50+lbs of lean body mass doing this raise their hand?[/quote]
Where are the big muscles at? Siphoning off the oxygen to your brain possibly.
Would all of the guys who misconstrued this as a serious bulking plan rather than a fat loss strategy for the percentage of the population it suits, please raise their hand?
[/quote]
The question still stands when the goal is losing body fat but holding onto more muscle mass. As it pertains to people who stand out when they walk in a room, why would this be suitable for anyone but those hovering below 200lbs?
Even when dieting, there is no way in hell I could eat enough to maintain muscle mass by skipping whole meals.
If this is some “works for guys who like the word “tone”” scheme for dieting or those who want to look like Abercrombie models, let’s just say so.[/quote]
I’m pretty sure its not for guys who freak out when they lose an inch off their upper-arm while dieting when they’re over 20% bf.
ie. Fatty Neckbeards
[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Where are the big muscles at? Would all of the guys who gained 50+lbs of lean body mass doing this raise their hand?[/quote]
Where are the big muscles at? Siphoning off the oxygen to your brain possibly.
Would all of the guys who misconstrued this as a serious bulking plan rather than a fat loss strategy for the percentage of the population it suits, please raise their hand?
[/quote]
The question still stands when the goal is losing body fat but holding onto more muscle mass. As it pertains to people who stand out when they walk in a room, why would this be suitable for anyone but those hovering below 200lbs?
Even when dieting, there is no way in hell I could eat enough to maintain muscle mass by skipping whole meals.
If this is some “works for guys who like the word “tone”” scheme for dieting or those who want to look like Abercrombie models, let’s just say so.[/quote]
I’m pretty sure its not for guys who freak out when they lose an inch off their upper-arm while dieting when they’re over 20% bf.
ie. Fatty Neckbeards
[/quote]
What does being over 20% have to do with this at all? I am talking about levels of muscle mass, not whatever crusade you seem to be on against people bigger than you.
Also, what the fuck is a “neckbeard”?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Where are the big muscles at? Would all of the guys who gained 50+lbs of lean body mass doing this raise their hand?[/quote]
Where are the big muscles at? Siphoning off the oxygen to your brain possibly.
Would all of the guys who misconstrued this as a serious bulking plan rather than a fat loss strategy for the percentage of the population it suits, please raise their hand?
[/quote]
The question still stands when the goal is losing body fat but holding onto more muscle mass. As it pertains to people who stand out when they walk in a room, why would this be suitable for anyone but those hovering below 200lbs?
Even when dieting, there is no way in hell I could eat enough to maintain muscle mass by skipping whole meals.
If this is some “works for guys who like the word “tone”” scheme for dieting or those who want to look like Abercrombie models, let’s just say so.[/quote]
I’m pretty sure its not for guys who freak out when they lose an inch off their upper-arm while dieting when they’re over 20% bf.
ie. Fatty Neckbeards
[/quote]
What does being over 20% have to do with this at all? I am talking about levels of muscle mass, not whatever crusade you seem to be on against people bigger than you.
Also, what the fuck is a “neckbeard”?[/quote]
Before you lose your mind, I’m not referring to you. From your pics you look like a pretty jacked dude, slight homo.
I attached a neckbeard on the previous post for your viewing pleasure.
[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Where are the big muscles at? Would all of the guys who gained 50+lbs of lean body mass doing this raise their hand?[/quote]
Where are the big muscles at? Siphoning off the oxygen to your brain possibly.
Would all of the guys who misconstrued this as a serious bulking plan rather than a fat loss strategy for the percentage of the population it suits, please raise their hand?
[/quote]
The question still stands when the goal is losing body fat but holding onto more muscle mass. As it pertains to people who stand out when they walk in a room, why would this be suitable for anyone but those hovering below 200lbs?
Even when dieting, there is no way in hell I could eat enough to maintain muscle mass by skipping whole meals.
If this is some “works for guys who like the word “tone”” scheme for dieting or those who want to look like Abercrombie models, let’s just say so.[/quote]
I’m pretty sure its not for guys who freak out when they lose an inch off their upper-arm while dieting when they’re over 20% bf.
ie. Fatty Neckbeards
[/quote]
What does being over 20% have to do with this at all? I am talking about levels of muscle mass, not whatever crusade you seem to be on against people bigger than you.
Also, what the fuck is a “neckbeard”?[/quote]
Before you lose your mind, I’m not referring to you. From your pics you look like a pretty jacked dude, slight homo.
I attached a neckbeard on the previous post for your viewing pleasure.
[/quote]
Yeah…and the guy you chose is an off season PRO bodybuilder who, despite any extra fat gain when eating KFC daily, is carrying a shit load of muscle which means he can diet down easily within 3-4months time and be leaner than everyone in this thread.
Anyone degrading someone like that for being a little fatter when NOT dieting doesn’t have it all to begin with.
Lee priest likes to eat and has stated many times that when he finally stops competing he won’t give a shit about how much fat he is carrying.
There are also quite a few lifters who simply like a more filled out look and don’t care if their abs show.
I personally would rather be swole and 18-20% than skinny at 6% body fat.
[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
I would die, and so would others around me, if I had to skip breakfast. Skipping breakfast falls under the “not cool” category for me.[/quote]
What is cool is your story.[/quote]
Those are the only kind I can tell.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Where are the big muscles at? Would all of the guys who gained 50+lbs of lean body mass doing this raise their hand?[/quote]
Where are the big muscles at? Siphoning off the oxygen to your brain possibly.
Would all of the guys who misconstrued this as a serious bulking plan rather than a fat loss strategy for the percentage of the population it suits, please raise their hand?
[/quote]
The question still stands when the goal is losing body fat but holding onto more muscle mass. As it pertains to people who stand out when they walk in a room, why would this be suitable for anyone but those hovering below 200lbs?
Even when dieting, there is no way in hell I could eat enough to maintain muscle mass by skipping whole meals.
If this is some “works for guys who like the word “tone”” scheme for dieting or those who want to look like Abercrombie models, let’s just say so.[/quote]
I’m pretty sure its not for guys who freak out when they lose an inch off their upper-arm while dieting when they’re over 20% bf.
ie. Fatty Neckbeards
[/quote]
What does being over 20% have to do with this at all? I am talking about levels of muscle mass, not whatever crusade you seem to be on against people bigger than you.
Also, what the fuck is a “neckbeard”?[/quote]
Before you lose your mind, I’m not referring to you. From your pics you look like a pretty jacked dude, slight homo.
I attached a neckbeard on the previous post for your viewing pleasure.
[/quote]
Yeah…and the guy you chose is an off season PRO bodybuilder who, despite any extra fat gain when eating KFC daily, is carrying a shit load of muscle which means he can diet down easily within 3-4months time and be leaner than everyone in this thread.
Anyone degrading someone like that for being a little fatter when NOT dieting doesn’t have it all to begin with.
Lee priest likes to eat and has stated many times that when he finally stops competing he won’t give a shit about how much fat he is carrying.
There are also quite a few lifters who simply like a more filled out look and don’t care if their abs show.
I personally would rather be swole and 18-20% than skinny at 6% body fat.[/quote]
I’d rather be able to get laid at will then need to take a break halfway up a flight of stairs.
I think we found our difference in opinion.
[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Where are the big muscles at? Would all of the guys who gained 50+lbs of lean body mass doing this raise their hand?[/quote]
Where are the big muscles at? Siphoning off the oxygen to your brain possibly.
Would all of the guys who misconstrued this as a serious bulking plan rather than a fat loss strategy for the percentage of the population it suits, please raise their hand?
[/quote]
The question still stands when the goal is losing body fat but holding onto more muscle mass. As it pertains to people who stand out when they walk in a room, why would this be suitable for anyone but those hovering below 200lbs?
Even when dieting, there is no way in hell I could eat enough to maintain muscle mass by skipping whole meals.
If this is some “works for guys who like the word “tone”” scheme for dieting or those who want to look like Abercrombie models, let’s just say so.[/quote]
I’m pretty sure its not for guys who freak out when they lose an inch off their upper-arm while dieting when they’re over 20% bf.
ie. Fatty Neckbeards
[/quote]
What does being over 20% have to do with this at all? I am talking about levels of muscle mass, not whatever crusade you seem to be on against people bigger than you.
Also, what the fuck is a “neckbeard”?[/quote]
Before you lose your mind, I’m not referring to you. From your pics you look like a pretty jacked dude, slight homo.
I attached a neckbeard on the previous post for your viewing pleasure.
[/quote]
Yeah…and the guy you chose is an off season PRO bodybuilder who, despite any extra fat gain when eating KFC daily, is carrying a shit load of muscle which means he can diet down easily within 3-4months time and be leaner than everyone in this thread.
Anyone degrading someone like that for being a little fatter when NOT dieting doesn’t have it all to begin with.
Lee priest likes to eat and has stated many times that when he finally stops competing he won’t give a shit about how much fat he is carrying.
There are also quite a few lifters who simply like a more filled out look and don’t care if their abs show.
I personally would rather be swole and 18-20% than skinny at 6% body fat.[/quote]
I’d rather be able to get laid at will then need to take a break halfway up a flight of stairs.
I think we found our difference in opinion.
[/quote]
Guy, do you really think Lee can’t get laid? Do you really think someone with a ton of muscle at 18-20% can’t get laid? Most women are NOT fitness models. Your post makes no sense.
If you can’t get laid, check your fucking personality first, not your body fat reading.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Where are the big muscles at? Would all of the guys who gained 50+lbs of lean body mass doing this raise their hand?[/quote]
I don’t think anyone has argued that they should skip breakfast when gaining. Just a short-term thing when trying to lose some fat.[/quote]
I skip breakfast when gaining, people who are suggesting carb-back loading is a fatloss program are in correct, its a bulking program… maybe not bulking, but as much Muscle gain WITHOUT gaining as much additional fat as possible. Again, I wouldn’t use this type of program if I was a geared lifter, or a “hard gainer”, but there are plenty of sources and research studies linked on kiefer’s site, showing exactly why this approach is optimum and showing why ‘big breakfasts AND/OR most of your food early in the day’ premotes a worse body composition.
By the way… “a big breakfast” only makes you feel better, if you don’t sufficiently carb-load the night before, I’ve guinea-pigged it, otherwise it just makes you fat, although Chad Waterbury suggests the big breakfast approach, so… maybe i’m totally wrong.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Where are the big muscles at? Would all of the guys who gained 50+lbs of lean body mass doing this raise their hand?[/quote]
Where are the big muscles at? Siphoning off the oxygen to your brain possibly.
Would all of the guys who misconstrued this as a serious bulking plan rather than a fat loss strategy for the percentage of the population it suits, please raise their hand?
[/quote]
The question still stands when the goal is losing body fat but holding onto more muscle mass. As it pertains to people who stand out when they walk in a room, why would this be suitable for anyone but those hovering below 200lbs?
Even when dieting, there is no way in hell I could eat enough to maintain muscle mass by skipping whole meals.
If this is some “works for guys who like the word “tone”” scheme for dieting or those who want to look like Abercrombie models, let’s just say so.[/quote]
I’m pretty sure its not for guys who freak out when they lose an inch off their upper-arm while dieting when they’re over 20% bf.
ie. Fatty Neckbeards
[/quote]
What does being over 20% have to do with this at all? I am talking about levels of muscle mass, not whatever crusade you seem to be on against people bigger than you.
Also, what the fuck is a “neckbeard”?[/quote]
Before you lose your mind, I’m not referring to you. From your pics you look like a pretty jacked dude, slight homo.
I attached a neckbeard on the previous post for your viewing pleasure.
[/quote]
Yeah…and the guy you chose is an off season PRO bodybuilder who, despite any extra fat gain when eating KFC daily, is carrying a shit load of muscle which means he can diet down easily within 3-4months time and be leaner than everyone in this thread.
Anyone degrading someone like that for being a little fatter when NOT dieting doesn’t have it all to begin with.
Lee priest likes to eat and has stated many times that when he finally stops competing he won’t give a shit about how much fat he is carrying.
There are also quite a few lifters who simply like a more filled out look and don’t care if their abs show.
I personally would rather be swole and 18-20% than skinny at 6% body fat.[/quote]
I’d rather be able to get laid at will then need to take a break halfway up a flight of stairs.
I think we found our difference in opinion.
[/quote]
Guy, do you really think Lee can’t get laid? Do you really think someone with a ton of muscle at 18-20% can’t get laid? Most women are NOT fitness models. Your post makes no sense.
If you can’t get laid, check your fucking personality first, not your body fat reading.[/quote]
“Hey sweetheart, not fat, just bulkan.”
“Oh, I thought you were just a fat guy but in that case I’ll lick your sweaty choad.”
If you can’t find humor in all this you need to remove the ball burnisher from your anus.
[quote]DieselAllDay wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Where are the big muscles at? Would all of the guys who gained 50+lbs of lean body mass doing this raise their hand?[/quote]
I don’t think anyone has argued that they should skip breakfast when gaining. Just a short-term thing when trying to lose some fat.[/quote]
I skip breakfast when gaining, people who are suggesting carb-back loading is a fatloss program are in correct, its a bulking program… maybe not bulking, but as much Muscle gain WITHOUT gaining as much additional fat as possible. Again, I wouldn’t use this type of program if I was a geared lifter, or a “hard gainer”, but there are plenty of sources and research studies linked on kiefer’s site, showing exactly why this approach is optimum and showing why ‘big breakfasts AND/OR most of your food early in the day’ premotes a worse body composition. By the way… “a big breakfast” only makes you feel better, if you don’t sufficiently carb-load the night before, I’ve guinea-pigged it, otherwise it just makes you fat, although Chad Waterbury suggests the big breakfast approach, so… maybe i’m totally wrong. [/quote]
You aren’t very big. Have you considered that you are just flat out not doing it right and your lack of breakfast may actually be holding you back?
If people are doing this for muscle gain…and NOT getting really big from it…you blame lack of steroids for that?
Examples have already been posted in this thread. Keifer is a pretty big dude (I want to say 210 at average height with low bodyfat), Martin carries above average muscle mass at an incredibly low bodyfat, several of Martin’s clients put the vets on this site to shame, Brian Carroll and Jason Pegg are both working with Keifer and moving inhuman amounts of weight and maintaining bodyweights above 275 lbs.
The absolute necessity of any fixed number of meals, whether it be 6 or 10 is ridiculous. Some of the biggest guys I know eat 2-3 times a day. I recently met a mechanic while training in a famous Cleveland-area gym who reminded me a lot of an off-season Curtis Bryant (X, you’ll know who that is) and easily carried 280 lbs on a 5’8" frame. Guy dwarfs 99% of the OMG YOU HAVE TO EAT 6x A DAY crowd and does it on 3 meals per day.
Just goes to show that, in the end, total caloric intake and macronutrient composition trumps nutrient timing.
Just goes to show that, in the end, total caloric intake and macronutrient composition trumps nutrient timing.[/quote]
I agree. I need more cals than the average guy my size so I never skip breakfast. If I didn’t need as many cals that would be a different story.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Examples have already been posted in this thread. Keifer is a pretty big dude (I want to say 210 at average height with low bodyfat), Martin carries above average muscle mass at an incredibly low bodyfat, several of Martin’s clients put the vets on this site to shame, Brian Carroll and Jason Pegg are both working with Keifer and moving inhuman amounts of weight and maintaining bodyweights above 275 lbs.
The absolute necessity of any fixed number of meals, whether it be 6 or 10 is ridiculous. Some of the biggest guys I know eat 2-3 times a day. I recently met a mechanic while training in a famous Cleveland-area gym who reminded me a lot of an off-season Curtis Bryant (X, you’ll know who that is) and easily carried 280 lbs on a 5’8" frame. Guy dwarfs 99% of the OMG YOU HAVE TO EAT 6x A DAY crowd and does it on 3 meals per day.
Just goes to show that, in the end, total caloric intake and macronutrient composition trumps nutrient timing.[/quote]
Exactly. No one is saying this is for everyone. I believe X has said that while he can eat a lot he can’t eat a lot in one sitting, obviously this will not work for him. Though, I am no where near his size my first meal at noon today was 1200 calories from eggs, chicken, ham, and green veggies.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DieselAllDay wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Where are the big muscles at? Would all of the guys who gained 50+lbs of lean body mass doing this raise their hand?[/quote]
I don’t think anyone has argued that they should skip breakfast when gaining. Just a short-term thing when trying to lose some fat.[/quote]
I skip breakfast when gaining, people who are suggesting carb-back loading is a fatloss program are in correct, its a bulking program… maybe not bulking, but as much Muscle gain WITHOUT gaining as much additional fat as possible. Again, I wouldn’t use this type of program if I was a geared lifter, or a “hard gainer”, but there are plenty of sources and research studies linked on kiefer’s site, showing exactly why this approach is optimum and showing why ‘big breakfasts AND/OR most of your food early in the day’ premotes a worse body composition. By the way… “a big breakfast” only makes you feel better, if you don’t sufficiently carb-load the night before, I’ve guinea-pigged it, otherwise it just makes you fat, although Chad Waterbury suggests the big breakfast approach, so… maybe i’m totally wrong. [/quote]
You aren’t very big. Have you considered that you are just flat out not doing it right and your lack of breakfast may actually be holding you back?
If people are doing this for muscle gain…and NOT getting really big from it…you blame lack of steroids for that?[/quote]
I didn’t blame lack of steroids for anything, merely suggested this wouldnt be an optimal diet if you were a geared weight lifter (in my opinion). Im 210 lbs at around 8-9% BF, im likely you minus 70 lbs of fat. I know you’re all about the GET BIG, FUCK LOW BODY FAT ABERCOMRBIE FAGGOTS, but lets face it dude, you aint no 20 year old spring chicken, you’re 33 and still a fat ass, don’t you ever wanne actually look good?
Now everyone can go and flame me, cuz i know everyones got your exalted testicles in their mouth, but those are the facts.
Hey everyone,
I rarely feel the need to post…but I have experimented with intermittent fasting recently (often skipping breakfast) and I felt I should chime in and (hopefully) dissuade any of you from wasting your time.
I practiced IF, in the morning, for about 4 months (always was I sure to “make up” the calories later in the day). And the only noticable effect was that I had a deflated back and shoulders. There was no change in my bodyfat. At the very beginning I noticed an increase in energy, but in hindsight this was probably due to the stress response of suddenly going without food in the morning.
As to the article linked by the OP, I agree that it could be the case that skipping breakfast/eating minimally is beneficial for those interested in primarily health, attention, or fat loss (although I think that’s a misleading dichotomy: bodybuilders are healthier, more attentive, and have less bodyfat than most groups). But it’s a bad idea for bodybuilders or those focused on increasing muscle mass.
I suppose some of you could try to make up the caloric deficit at different times but at least take this post as one piece of evidence (albeit anecdotal) that such a strategy won’t help much…and as far as I can see (as mentioned by Professor X) there are few people making substantial progress who have adopted this strategy.
Best,
-David
Though, I am no where near his size my first meal at noon today was 1200 calories from eggs, chicken, ham, and green veggies.[/quote]
That’s a lot of volume of food my friend. How does that fit in your gut? 1200 cals is easy, but those aren’t cal dense food.
I’m amazed by what some of you guys consider “fat”. You must go into fits every time you leave the house and see the general public.
[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
I’m amazed by what some of you guys consider “fat”. You must go into fits every time you leave the house and see the general public.[/quote]
Bodybuilding is about building a physique that is amazing by the highest of standards. If we let the general public set the standard, we would have some mediocre bodybuilders.